iPod's Dirty Secret


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it completely baffles me how this same stupid argument ends up happening.  if you (dont) have an ipod, and you like it, great! if you don't like the ipod for whatever reason, great!  why have the same argument endlessly with the same bunch of people who won't ever change their position?  It's all pretty silly if you ask me.

You are wrong about the argument. There is no one here that doesn't have one saying they don't like it. This is what we have.

People who own them saying they like them

People who don't saying they are crap. (see the difference?)

They are not just stating their personal preference but actually making uneducated statements as to the functionality of the device. Which baffles me since they don't own one how do they know this? I am pretty sure no one who has an iPod and likes it cares about people saying they don't like it, it's the people stating "it is a horrible mp3 player." The argument has then turned from personal preference to the validity of the iPod as an mp3 player itself. Based on facts, it has at least the majority if not more and an abundance of other mp3 players out there, so a comment like that is simply ignorant.

I personally don't like you sig and avatar, but that is just my own opinion. Now what if I just stated that your sig and avatar sucked and had no graphical value at all? See the difference?

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You are wrong about the argument.

I am? lemme break it down like you did.

if you (dont) have an ipod, and you like it, great!
People who own them saying they like them

So for arguments sake, lets say you have an ipod and you like it! great!

if you don't like the ipod for whatever reason, great!
People who don't saying they are crap.

Applies to people who say its crap. They don't like it for whatever reason, great!

Anyways, what my original post was saying is why care who likes what and why? which follows with..

I personally don't like you sig and avatar, but that is just my own opinion. Now what if I just stated that your sig and avatar sucked and had no graphical value at all? See the difference?

2 things about your example.

1) No I don't see the difference actually. Both are opinion. One you're just being more harsh with, but then again, I go back to what I've been saying. What do I care if you or anyone likes it? I like it, and I'm not about to sit here and try to argue why everyone else should like it.

2) I know better than to take trollbait like that in the first place :happy:

Its almost predictable who will jump in and argue about this topic. Again, it baffles me why anyone would get riled up about what someone else thinks about a product that they happen to use. So Joe Blow doesn't like your iPod, your car, your clothes. So what?

If everyone could follow that easy 2 step process I mentioned above, then we wouldn't have the same people arguing endlessly about this. It's getting pretty old.

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How could you NOT like that sig.

Transformers kick ass, the Dreamwave drawings kick even more ass.. its a mega kickass signature!! :D

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Did they take the movie down? I get a broken QuickTime image in it's place.

I viewed the source and tried to link to the file directly, but it gives a 404. =\

Anyone happen to have a copy of it saved?

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How could you NOT like that sig.

Transformers kick ass, the Dreamwave drawings kick even more ass.. its a mega kickass signature!! :D

Lol, I really do like it. I am just trying to point out the differences between saying you don't like something and saying that something sucks or is not sufficient. Either way, Spyder was right, no one should really care whether someone else likes something you do. All personal preference in the end.

Spyder, nothing was meant as troll bait lol, I'll be the last person to do that. :laugh:

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Spyder, nothing was meant as troll bait lol, I'll be the last person to do that. :laugh:

:laugh: its all good. I know you weren't *really* trolling. i guessed you were just using it as an example and it turns out I was right :) (but if you really didn't like it, we'd have to talk lol j/k)

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i have an ipod, and i like it. I have 2 friends that ahve had them over 18months and their batteries are fine.

apple charges 99 dollars to replace, not 255 dollars.

What does this mean?

the presupositions that all ipods fail after 18 months is wrong. That is a fact, it only took 1 ipod to disprove that. But the two i know of have disproved it.

the presuposition that you might as well buy a whole new ipod instead of a battery replacement is wrong also. Since it is on the apple web page that a battery replacement is 99 bucks.

Therefore most of the arguments i have read in the previous pages are ignorant because they are either claiming a falsity or they are banking on a presuposition that is false.

now, am i saying that ipod's batteries dont fail?

By no means. Would apple offer the service if this were not the case? No, but at the same time it is not a garantee.

i hope mine doesnt fail, but after spending 400 bucks on on, what is 100 bucks in a year? i love it, i carry all of the CDs i own in my pocket and can listen to all of them whenever i want. That is worth a lot to me, especially in the line of work i do.

also to the guy that was saying that claiming the fact the one guy claimed and claiming the opinion he claimed are the same thing. You are wrong. that is a philisophically proven fact. There is a literary difference between fact and opinion. It is possible that an opinion could be a fact. But more often than not, they are not interchangable.

Yet in his defence it is in some ways in the eye of the beholder. You can always reply to a fact with ...well that's your opinion. and attempt to discount it. It sometimes works, but usually is a fallacy.

all said and done. everyone can have their opinions, but be careful with the hear-say facts. Most of them i have read are wrong.

hypocritically yours

--i3iz

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these neistat brothers aren't too bright, to go around spray painting some dumbass message about how the ipod battery only lasts 18 months.

that's like those 'truth' people going around spray painting on cigarette billboards.

do you think it stops anybody from buying an ipod/cigarettes?

no.

besides, the warranty on the ipod lasts 1 year. so their battery dies 18 months later. without voiding anyone's warranty, they could have popped off the back of their ipod, popped in a new battery, and popped the back on again... total cost? ~$50.

you just hafta go to some online store that sells those batteries.

some people whine to much, and the neistat brothers are examples of this.

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You must remember this video was probably done before batteries were readily available for consumer use.

It isn't going to stop me from wanting to buy one. If I had the money I would have already bought one. I love music ... so much I am getting a BS degree in the recording industry.

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crap, just ordered a 20 gb. Now worried :wacko:

don't be.

the neistat's don't strike me as being very intelligent...

you're ipod will last you several years as long as you don't run over it with a tank :-P

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Lets put this 255.00 Thread Crap to Rest:

If the troubleshooting steps did not solve your issue, your iPod

may need to be serviced. Before you send your iPod for service, you

should try the following four steps:

If your iPod is frozen or won't turn on, your iPod may be paused or

on "hold." Press the hold button and check the screen.

If your iPod is frozen or won't turn on, plug your iPod in, press

and hold the "Menu" and "Play/Pause" buttons simultaneously for

approximately 10 seconds to reset the iPod. Don't worry. Resetting

your iPod will not affect your music, data files, or customized

preferences.

If your iPod won't turn on, your iPod may not be charged. Plug your

iPod in, wait for a moment, turn the power on, and check the screen.

If your iPod fails to hold a charge and it's more than a year old,

you may need a new battery. Click Continue to order iPod battery

service for $99 USD, plus shipping and applicable sales tax. This program is not available in Europe at this time.

NOTE: iPod equipment that is sent in for battery service or service requiring other repairs will be replaced with functionally equivalent new, used, or refurbished iPod equipment. You will not receive the same iPod that was sent in for service.

Order iPod service right here! You will need your serial number to

order service for your iPod. If your iPod is not under warranty, there will be a fee for service.

Please choose your country and language to get started.

SOURCE http://depot.info.apple.com/ipod/

APPLE.COM Anyone still buying or thinking of buying an iPod should still do so. I've had an iPod for god knows how long. My battery is still very strong.

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You must remember this video was probably done before batteries were readily available for consumer use.

It isn't going to stop me from wanting to buy one. If I had the money I would have already bought one. I love music ... so much I am getting a BS degree in the recording industry.

No, it is a very recent video. Look at the adds in the video, they are apple's latest adds. I believe it also says the date in the video, it is VERY recent.

I believe they simply didn't take the time to look for batteries online. I would have never known you could replace the battery yourself without reading ipodlounge forums.

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This has nothing to do with the battery replacement, but it's still related to the iPod battery. This question is for people who own an iPod: do you wait till the battery's dead to recharge it or simply recharge it at anytime? I'm asking because I remember hearing once that rechargeable batteries should be recharged only when they're empty, so that the battery would have a longer lifespan. Does this apply to iPod's battery?

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This has nothing to do with the battery replacement, but it's still related to the iPod battery. This question is for people who own an iPod: do you wait till the battery's dead to recharge it or simply recharge it at anytime? I'm asking because I remember hearing once that rechargeable batteries should be recharged only when they're empty, so that the battery would have a longer lifespan. Does this apply to iPod's battery?

No you can rechare any time you want. It is recomended to drain it full the first couple of times to break it in and calibrate the meter, but you canrecharge as your hearts desire.

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wow you guys are unbelievably immature :(

This guy had a "horror story" with his iPod, so now that means apple rips off everyone, ipods are crap, and apple sucks.

You act like people never have problems with other devices, yet they do.

Same scenario, different scale: You buy a new computer, after 18 months your power supply dies for no apparent reason, you can either go buy a new one for 100 bucks, and do it yourself, or pay around 300 bucks to get everything repaired.

If that happened does that mean every computer sucks, we should not buy computers because every power supplly dies at 18 months?

You guys are unblievable, why do you bother to post unless you have a logical reply, you just make asses out of yourselves otherwise...

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