Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

[thomastmc]

Shouldn't better economic development lead to more births?

 

In Japan's case, it clearly hasn't.

 

Statistically, better economic growth always leads to less children per couple over time. It's happened in the U.S., Europe, etc.. You can even see this in socio-economic classes within the U.S. and Europe, where the poorer populations tend to have more children on average.

 

Still, many other countries have had horrible pasts in the 20th century, as well as very prosperous economies, such as Germany, and their libidos and affinity for reproduction are just fine.

[seta-san]

Shouldn't better economic development lead to more births?

 

In Japan's case, it clearly hasn't.

 

education and wealth have an inverse relationship to the number of children you have.

[spaceelf]

Not watched the Maria Owzawa one eh?

I'm talking about out of thousands, possibly tens of thousands of products.  Possibly more.

 

And no.

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

 

Statistically, better economic growth always leads to less children per couple over time. It's happened in the U.S., Europe, etc.. You can even see this in socio-economic classes within the U.S. and Europe, where the poorer populations tend to have more children on average.

 

Still, many other countries have had horrible pasts in the 20th century, as well as very prosperous economies, such as Germany, and their libidos and affinity for reproduction are just fine.

 

So what's the point of all this development then? Where's the logic?

 

Shouldn't more wealth lead to more babies?

 

The point is that it's a complex issue and economic development is a only a factor. It's still an important one, but not the decisive factor evidently.

 

I wouldn't quite go that far, but I would agree to think maybe their adult industry might have some influence, they cater to the less intimate and more towards rape on buses etc...

I've always thought if people watched enough of that, they would get turned off sexual intimacy.

 

(Unless they're following orders from their Emperor)

 

I think their somewhat extreme adult industry (obsession with child porn, rape scenarios, sado-maso) is a reaction to the changes their society has gone through, not a cause for lower birth rates.

[The Evil Overlord]

I'm talking about out of thousands, possibly tens of thousands of products.  Possibly more.

 

And no.

You don't know what you're missing, she dresses up as a Nurse.............

[+Matthew S. Subscriber²]

If the Japanese Men aren't interested in having Sex, I'd be more than willing to go over on Holiday and do my part.

I'm already planning on going over there next year. 

[thomastmc]

So what's the point of all this development then? Where's the logic?

 

Shouldn't more wealth lead to more babies?

 

The point is that it's a complex issue and economic development is a only a factor. It's still an important one, but not the decisive factor.

 

It is counter-intuitive. You'd think that because people can't afford children, they'd have less, and the more people could afford the more that they would have. The opposite is in fact true though.

 

Children are a burden, but in low income populations having a large family for support, especially in their elder years, is the main benefit. Also, the death rate is higher among lower income populations, and the more children one has, the more likely they are to have some around when they become elderly. This isn't something that lower or higher income groups consciously think about when they're having children, it just happens that way. That isn't the only factor, but it's a very prominent one.

[The Evil Overlord]

I think their somewhat extreme adult industry (obsession with child porn, rape scenarios, sado-maso) is a reaction to the changes their society has gone through, not a cause for lower birth rates.

Fair point, but I can only hypothesize sitting in the UK, and try my best not to post something offensive, part of my post was due past experience, like most I've watched porn, and watching too much did turn me off sex altogether for a time, so I leaned heavily on that theory

[seta-san]

it's clear we need to destroy their education system/collapse their economy.

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

Children are a burden

 

Not to the wealthy who can afford servants, cleaners, and the best in class baby-sitters, no, they aren't.

 

It's a paradox. So, the level of the economic development alone doesn't provide the answer. You have to look elsewhere, at a broader picture.

[seta-san]

Not to the wealthy who can afford servants, cleaners, and the best in class baby-sitters, no, they aren't.

 

It's a paradox. So, the level of the economic development alone doesn't provide the answer. You have to look elsewhere, at a broader picture.

 

children in japan are seen as a burdon. I've heard of stories coming from japan where mothers will tell their children straight to their face that they should have gotten an abortion.

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

children in japan are seen as a burdon. I've heard of stories coming from japan where mothers will tell their children straight to their face that they should have gotten an abortion.

 

Is it a financial/economic burden (can they afford to procreate? If not, then their high level of economic development is an illusion because their are enslaved by the debt) or is it physical/psychological one (I'm lazy and I'd rather be alone all by myself in my comfort zone avoiding all the responsibility)?

 

I'd wage it's a mix of both.

[seta-san]

Is it a financial/economic burden (can they afford to procreate? If not, then their high level of economic development is an illusion because their are enslaved by the debt) or is it physical and psychological one (I'm lazy and I'd rather be alone all by myself avoiding all the responsibility)?

 

probably an all of the above. they see children as a bother and they also don't want to inconvience or impose on others (welfare/in-lawes) etc. The relationship between parents and children in japan is extraordinarily cold often times completely lacking conversation and physical contact.

[thomastmc]

Not to the wealthy who can afford cleaners and the best in class baby-sitters, no, they aren't.

 

It's a paradox. So, the level of the economic development alone doesn't provide the answer. You have to look elsewhere.

 

The vast majority of people in wealthy nations can't afford to have maids and nannies. For the greatest amount of people in wealthy nations, the middle classes, children are an economic burden as well as a physical one.

 

The correlation between income and fertility is hard to diminish, even in the slightest. It's extremely clear, and extremely profound in the vast majority of countries and cultures around the world.

 

As for Japan's precarious situation, there are plenty of wealthy nations that maintain sufficient birthrates, so that obviously can't be the only factor there. And, most of half of Germany was raped and tortured by the Russians in WWII, and Germany was conquered in a terrible blood bath in WWI just a couple of decades earlier. So, while their past may also be a factor, it can't be the only one.

 

Japan's issues are a mystery. Maybe they should try Kenny Powers' advice and sexy themselves up. It worked for Stevie's E.D. in Eastbound and Down :)

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

For the greatest amount of people in wealthy nations, the middle classes, children are an economic burden as well as a physical one.

 

In this case, the term "a wealthy nation" is an oxymoron (and a lie).

[seta-san]

In this case, the term "a wealthy nation" is an oxymoron (and a lie).

Japan still lives like it's wealthy since the collapse of the bubble economy. Sure they have an absurd debt to GDP ratio but they still some how have managed to maintain their social services. It's not going to last long though. The burdon of the aging generations will soon be far too much for the youth to hold up. They will default and it will become a global problem.

[FloatingFatMan]

Is it a financial/economic burden (can they afford to procreate? If not, then their high level of economic development is an illusion because their are enslaved by the debt) or is it physical/psychological one (I'm lazy and I'd rather be alone all by myself in my comfort zone avoiding all the responsibility)?

 

I'd wage it's a mix of both.

 

All the reasons are actually given in the full article. Why don't you try reading it instead of inventing your own?

[The Evil Overlord]

I think someone else mentioned this earlier, but historically the poorer families do tend to have more children than the richer ones, (I've always assumed it was about free time, and not having anything else to do)

 

I would try to give a for instance, but would probably screw it up.

[seta-san]

I think someone else mentioned this earlier, but historically the poorer families do tend to have more children than the richer ones, (I've always assumed it was about free time, and not having anything else to do)

 

I would try to give a for instance, but would probably screw it up.

 

it's this.

 

[The Evil Overlord]

it's this.

 

lol I was thinking about idiocracy, but was trying to remain biggie brainie

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

All the reasons are actually given in the full article. Why don't you try reading it instead of inventing your own?

 

I haven't invented anything here.

 

Maybe it's you who should familiarize yourself with the discussion we're having here first and then maybe try to correlate my arguments with those of the author before asking those unnecessary questions.

[FloatingFatMan]

I haven't invented anything here.

 

Maybe it's you who should familiarize yourself with the discussion we're having here first and then maybe try to correlate my arguments with those of the author before asking those unnecessary questions.

 

The only discussion here is why Japanese people aren't having babies; anything else is off topic.  The reasons for that are given in the article and aren't the same as the ones you're postulating, therefore you're inventing reasons of you're own.

[Sir Topham Hatt]

Or are the Japanese just ahead of what will happen to the world?  Just thinking of John Spartan and all that.

I feel sorry for the women who are seemingly not wanted by the men.

[Torolol]

shouldn't japan follow russian example to give incentive for 2 or 3 new children in a family ?

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

The only discussion here is why Japanese people aren't having babies; anything else is off topic.  The reasons for that are given in the article and aren't the same as the ones you're postulating, therefore you're inventing reasons of you're own.

 

I guess I'm supposed to defend myself now by restating my original arguments and comparing them side-by-side with those the author makes in his article thus trying to prove to you they are not diametrically opposite and are actually quite similar thereby satisfying the troll inside of you.

 

Not a chance. :pacifier: