Waitress denied

[Coagulated]

You sure you aren't closet gay?

 

Positive.

[Growled Member]

 

A New Jersey couple is reportedly disputing a story that made headlines nationwide about a gay waitress who was left a note criticizing her "lifestyle" instead of a tip, claiming their receipt shows they did leave a tip and didn't write the note.

 

It's hard to know who or what to believe these days.

[FloatingFatMan]

As an owner of a restaurant, getting rid of tipping would just mean paying more for your food. So you'd pay the same regardless. The only real benefit to the tipping system is that most servers don't report all of their cash tips so they save some on taxes. I suppose that's a detriment too, though. But to the customer, it doesn't really matter cost-wise and it gives the server some incentive to actually be a good server rather than just toss your food on the table.

 

As the owner of a restaurant, it's YOUR job to pay your staff, not the customers, and YOUR job to make sure your servers do a proper job and not just toss the food on the table.

 

Tips are meant to be a reward for good service, not an expectation to save tightwads some money, I do not tip unless I get a service above the basic "bring me my order", and I sure as hell do not expect that tip to form a part of my server's basic wage.

[Soldiers33]

not this tip rubbish again. I know for a fact I would never leave a tip, its my choice, and no one will force me to leave it just cause someone did their job.

[McKay]

Source

 

This seems to be a common thing nowadays - pretend you got a hateful tip from a customer then wait for the donations to pour in.  :/

 

Well it was very fishy when her first act was to go to the Media, and then set up a paypal for donations.

 

 

As the owner of a restaurant, it's YOUR job to pay your staff, not the customers, and YOUR job to make sure your servers do a proper job and not just toss the food on the table.

 

Tips are meant to be a reward for good service, not an expectation to save tightwads some money, I do not tip unless I get a service above the basic "bring me my order", and I sure as hell do not expect that tip to form a part of my server's basic wage.

 

 

That's how things work over in the USA, there's no point arguing about it. 

[HawkMan]

 

 

That's how things work over in the USA, there's no point arguing about it. 

 

Doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be changed

[McKay]

Doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be changed

 

 

And arguing with ordinary people is going to change it? They clearly think their way is better, and we think our system is better. Would you take kindly to Americans trying to force mandatory tipping on us?

[FloatingFatMan]

That's how things work over in the USA, there's no point arguing about it. 

 

Just because that's how things are, doesn't mean that it's right.  You can't change things unless you argue for change.  It's utterly disgusting that these restaurants are allowed to pay their staff LESS than minimum wage because the difference is made up by tips.  They should be ashamed of themselves; all of them. Goddam tightwads, the lot of them.

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I've never seen tips being given at restaurants here in Australia. The culture's different over here - the most important thing is good word of mouth (= more business).

[McKay]

Just because that's how things are, doesn't mean that it's right.  You can't change things unless you argue for change.  It's utterly disgusting that these restaurants are allowed to pay their staff LESS than minimum wage because the difference is made up by tips.  They should be ashamed of themselves; all of them. Goddam tightwads, the lot of them.

 

I agree, but how does arguing with he average Joe online do anything about it? Even if you get someone to change their mind (Which never happens in online arguments) what then? What good comes of it?

 

The fact is it's your opinion versus theirs, and nobody is going to change their view. They'll argue that with tips they make more than minimum wage, point out that the Restaurant has to pay them any shortfall if they happened to fall below what minimum wage would make them, and it results in cheaper food.

 

You'll argue that nobody should receive less than minimum wage, tips shouldnt have anything to do with it and the food isnt cheaper because you're forced to tip.

 

Person A will mention Opinion A again, worded differently. You'll voice Opinion B again, worded differently, and so it continues in a circle of rage until someone gets angry enough to cross the line, break the rules and insult the person they're arguing. They get a warning or a ban and in a weeks time we'll get another "I'm leaving Neowin forever!!!!" Thread that bitches about "Censorship".

 

That's what is going to happen. 

 

Is it so important to everyone that the other persons opinion on the matter is the same as their own? Arguing will solve LITERALLY nothing. 

[FloatingFatMan]

I agree, but how does arguing with he average Joe online do anything about it?

 

Well, the guy I quoted says he owns a restaurant, so that's me telling someone who can affect it.

 

Not that I expect him to do anything about it, of course...

[HawkMan]

I agree, but how does arguing with he average Joe online do anything about it? Even if you get someone to change their mind (Which never happens in online arguments) what then? What good comes of it?

 

The fact is it's your opinion versus theirs, and nobody is going to change their view. They'll argue that with tips they make more than minimum wage, point out that the Restaurant has to pay them any shortfall if they happened to fall below what minimum wage would make them, and it results in cheaper food.

 

You'll argue that nobody should receive less than minimum wage, tips shouldnt have anything to do with it and the food isnt cheaper because you're forced to tip.

 

Person A will mention Opinion A again, worded differently. You'll voice Opinion B again, worded differently, and so it continues in a circle of rage until someone gets angry enough to cross the line, break the rules and insult the person they're arguing. They get a warning or a ban and in a weeks time we'll get another "I'm leaving Neowin forever!!!!" Thread that bitches about "Censorship".

 

That's what is going to happen. 

 

Is it so important to everyone that the other persons opinion on the matter is the same as their own? Arguing will solve LITERALLY nothing. 

 

All major changes stem from the grass root. it has to be the regular people, the guest and the waiters that demand and force this change. 

[McKay]

All major changes stem from the grass root. it has to be the regular people, the guest and the waiters that demand and force this change. 

 

Yes but 2 people repeating opposing opinions at each other isn't going to suddenly lead to one of them changing their opinion. They both think they're right for their own reasons.

[Lord Method Man]

Many states don't have a separate minimum wage for servers. It doesn't change the attitude among the waitstaff that they are entitled to a tip from each customer though and they will still pitch a fit if they don't get one.

[FloatingFatMan]

I agree, but how does arguing with he average Joe online do anything about it? Even if you get someone to change their mind (Which never happens in online arguments) what then? What good comes of it?

 

The fact is it's your opinion versus theirs, and nobody is going to change their view. They'll argue that with tips they make more than minimum wage, point out that the Restaurant has to pay them any shortfall if they happened to fall below what minimum wage would make them, and it results in cheaper food.

 

You'll argue that nobody should receive less than minimum wage, tips shouldnt have anything to do with it and the food isnt cheaper because you're forced to tip.

 

Person A will mention Opinion A again, worded differently. You'll voice Opinion B again, worded differently, and so it continues in a circle of rage until someone gets angry enough to cross the line, break the rules and insult the person they're arguing. They get a warning or a ban and in a weeks time we'll get another "I'm leaving Neowin forever!!!!" Thread that bitches about "Censorship".

 

That's what is going to happen. 

 

Is it so important to everyone that the other persons opinion on the matter is the same as their own? Arguing will solve LITERALLY nothing. 

 

You edited your post after I'd replied, so I guess I'll reply again...

 

You make many presumptions there, all of them rather.... presumptuous! :p  They're wrong too.  

 

You presume that 2 people on opposing sides of a discussion won't find some middle ground.  You dictate that we shouldn't have the discussion due to your forgone conclusion, and you presume that someone will throw a hissy fit after it.

 

Wrong on all counts.

[FloatingFatMan]

Many states don't have a separate minimum wage for servers. It doesn't change the attitude among the waitstaff that they are entitled to a tip from each customer though and they will still pitch a fit if they don't get one.

 

Any waitstaff expecting a tip from me had better do a hell of a lot more than just their basic jobs, or they'll be pretty damn disappointed.

 

As for the no minimum wage for servers, that's just utterly disgusting and needs to be sorted out. What the hell is the point of a minimum wage if certain job sectors are excluded?

[fusi0n]

Some people are now saying that she staged the whole thing...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gay-Server-Tip-Lifestyle-Receipt-Discrepancy-233040811.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/26/us/new-jersey-gay-waitress-tip/

[Lord Method Man]

Some people are now saying that she staged the whole thing...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gay-Server-Tip-Lifestyle-Receipt-Discrepancy-233040811.html

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/26/us/new-jersey-gay-waitress-tip/

 

Yeah its been mentioned a couple times already. Thread went on a tangent about tipping in general since then.

[DocM]

It's not just the US that tips but North America and the Caribbean.

As to the minimum wage, the federal minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13/hr and this is more common than you think. At the least, Quebec also has an adjusted minimum wage for employees who receive tips.

I've also been to Europe and tipping was common there, especially in the Netherlands and Sweden. While in London I also observed (and practiced) it as if I were at home (10-15% of the tab.) In some nations it was included in the bill as a "service fee" - same difference.

[Sranshaft]

I've never seen tips being given at restaurants here in Australia. The culture's different over here - the most important thing is good word of mouth (= more business).

 

You're telling me. The first day I moved over here, my wife and I ordered some pizza. Out of habit I tipped the delivery guy a tenner. The look on his face as he just stood there not sure what to do was priceless. I tip much less now but when I get really good service I make sure to let them know about it.

[DocM]

I usually tip the pizza guy $3-5, and from those in the family who have done tip work it can be pretty lucrative if you're good.

[SupportGeek]

I usually tip the pizza guy $3-5, and from those in the family who have done tip work it can be pretty lucrative if you're good.

 

Yup, when I was in School and delivered Pizza, $3 per delivery adds up fast, considering Id do at least 30 (and more) deliveries a night.

I tip pizza delivery guys 3 and more dollars, I pay attention to who it is delivering too, if I get my pizza hot and intact they get more on the next visit. 

When I first moved to my new place I made sure to tip the pizza guy WELL on the first visit, so they remember me and want to bring mine first next time.

[Lord Method Man]

Friends/co-workers of waitress claim she has a history of lying.

 

http://www.lohud.com/article/20131126/NEWS/311260034/Waitress-tip-tale-an-ex-Stony-Point-resident-has-history-lying-ex-colleagues-say-video-

 

 

A North Rockland High School alumna accused of making up a story about being denied a tip at a New Jersey restaurant due to her sexual orientation has a reputation for lying, former colleagues and friends said.

 

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But Morales has been caught in multiple lies, telling co-workers she shaved her head because she had brain cancer and later telling them it was her friend who had brain cancer, her colleagues and friends said.

 

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Morales told people she was a former Marine who was sent to Afghanistan and that everyone in her platoon died in an explosion except her, Larkin and Howat said.

 

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A spokesman for the Marines, Major Shawn Haney, said in an email that Morales had served in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve from July 13, 2009, to May 21, 2013 at the rank of Lance Corporal, E-3, as an administrative specialist. She was assigned to the Marine Air Group 49, 4th Marine Air Wing out of Newburgh and deployed from April to June 2012 to Romania as part of the Black Sea Rotational Force 11.

[xpablo]

Seems like she has some mental health issues.

[fusi0n]

Friends/co-workers of waitress claim she has a history of lying.

 

http://www.lohud.com/article/20131126/NEWS/311260034/Waitress-tip-tale-an-ex-Stony-Point-resident-has-history-lying-ex-colleagues-say-video-

Glad she is being exposed. Maybe she will get some much needed mental help.