riahc3 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hello, Ive seen this on another site (dont remember which) but it would draw more attention to the forums and in turn get more registrations.... Instead of the current "comments" in each front page news article, why, when a front page news article is posted, automatically a thread is created in what would be a new secion in the forums called "Front Page News". This way people can have a discussion about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sszecret Veteran Posted January 11, 2014 Veteran Share Posted January 11, 2014 I know exactly where you've seen it : HowToGeek. I personally don't mind the comments system, but to each his own. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riahc3 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hello, I know exactly where you've seen it : HowToGeek.Nope. I feel the comments section gets lost or left out or forgotten in a sense; I think it would be better for the forums :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abecedarian paradoxious Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 What really sucks is when an "editor" or "contributor" to Neowin FPN takes a topic from "Back Page News" 15-30 minutes after the BPN topic was created and doesn't give any credit to the person(s) who posted it on Neowin first. It should be a requirement that before front page news is posted, the forums should be checked to see if the news might already have been posted, then give that person, or persons, at least bi-line credits. On the other hand, if it's in BPN, forums should redirect there. vcfan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurupy Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Don't they already go here? https://www.neowin.net/forum/forum/266-front-page-news/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riahc3 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hello, Don't they already go here? https://www.neowin.net/forum/forum/266-front-page-news/Look at the replies and views. 0. All that does is redirect it to the front page article. Those should be real threads where replies/comments are stored and views are recorded, not just dummy links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted January 11, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 11, 2014 Not going to happen. Devmer11, Nick H., M1ckyB and 4 others 7 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc2k Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Not going to happen. Why not? Is it technical or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted January 11, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 11, 2014 Because we prefer our own custom coded comments system, that's why. +Kyle, Devmer11, Lord Method Man and 3 others 6 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc2k Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Suit yourselves, but I bet there are plenty of users that find the system somewhat redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hello, Ive seen this on another site (dont remember which) but it would draw more attention to the forums and in turn get more registrations.... Instead of the current "comments" in each front page news article, why, when a front page news article is posted, automatically a thread is created in what would be a new secion in the forums called "Front Page News". This way people can have a discussion about it. Can you not have a discussion in the comments section? I'm not sure what issue you're trying to solve here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc2k Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Can you not have a discussion in the comments section? I'm not sure what issue you're trying to solve here. The issue would be with news that are both on the main page and in the forums. You end up with two separate discussions on the same subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanx Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I agree: a consolidated place to discuss would be good. Like MacRumors does it. Otherwise it partially segregates the audiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Basically: We coded our own fancy front page, with our own comment system and so we want to use that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Method Man Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I actually prefer the comments section to the forums. spenser.d 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riahc3 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hello, Because we prefer our own custom coded comments system, that's why.Thank you for the explanation. Can you not have a discussion in the comments section? I'm not sure what issue you're trying to solve here.Not really. The comments section is a glorified graffiti board. Its a lot cleaner and more integrated to just make it a thread. I dont really get the point of the "Front Page News" forum which are just links to the article itself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisifer Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I dont really get the point of the "Front Page News" forum which are just links to the article itself... That's probably there to help people searching the forums find news that was posted on the front page. As for the comments section, I prefer it as it is, you get the early birds that say I hate/love/indifferent then the rest reply to each thread, its a lot easier to keep track of what people are saying in the comments as they are all grouped together. Try the same thing in the forums and you get people replying to different things and essentially interrupting the flow of conversations, this is not ideal for the random visitor who comes along and agrees with point A and has to read through a couple of pages of point B & C to see what was next said about point A. In short, It works as it is and usually popular news has a separate thread created by a user :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riahc3 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hello, this is not ideal for the random visitor who comes along and agrees with point A and has to read through a couple of pages of point B & C to see what was next said about point ABut there is the catch :) Now that random visitor is intrigued but not only the thread but the entire forum. Signs up and browses the site even more :) But Steven already said no so...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted January 11, 2014 Veteran Share Posted January 11, 2014 Disclaimer: I don't have a hand at coding, so some of this may be inaccurate. Problem with forum comments: can't nest replies to comments. IPB 3 probably had a view for nesting back in the day, but I'm not sure if it still exists in IPB 4 - and if it did, we're not bringing it back as it confused members. So having a linear reply view gets messy when trying to track multiple conversations (and fights :rolleyes:) in a comment thread. The commenting backend is also a lot more efficient than IPB. The end result is clear: when some article from Neowin goes up on reddit, the front page can handle the traffic, but the forums die pretty quickly. Our backend also has a couple of features tailored to the news operations, some to do with stats tracking and others to do with moderation. So in short, we're giving up a lot for a minor change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted January 12, 2014 Supervisor Share Posted January 12, 2014 I dont really get the point of the "Front Page News" forum which are just links to the article itself... i'm pretty sure its so articles can appear in the minispy on the forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Overlord Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 i'm pretty sure its so articles can appear in the minispy on the forums I partially disagree, as I always thought it was to 'simplify' the communications for rss feeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devmer11 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I think it's fine the way It is lol the way the website it drew me in anyway I found it easy to Navigate and I like the comments on the article and if someone wants to discuss it then that's cool too if it isn't broke don't fix it otherwise good idea though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulligan2k Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 i personally prefer the front page comments over a thread, makes it easier to follow a single conversation however i would like to see the front page comments being kept a little more strictly 'on topic', although i can appreciate how much moderation this would require Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmak Administrators Posted January 12, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 12, 2014 The commenting backend is also a lot more efficient than IPB. The end result is clear: when some article from Neowin goes up on reddit, the front page can handle the traffic, but the forums die pretty quickly. Our backend also has a couple of features tailored to the news operations, some to do with stats tracking and others to do with moderation. So in short, we're giving up a lot for a minor change. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Veteran Posted January 13, 2014 Veteran Share Posted January 13, 2014 Basically: We coded our own fancy front page, with our own comment system and so we want to use that. It works better than IPB. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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