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Why do you like Microsoft Products? How much dollars Bill Gates spending minimum dollars anually for fixing. An examples: security holes, Updates, Upgrade, and copyrights, etc,... :blink:

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Why do you like Microsoft Products?

I like Microsoft products because I feel they are top-notch quality wise. Obviously I am not referring to their security record, but rather the overall "smoothness" of their products and excellent integration with Windows. I find that their software, games included, have relatively few bugs outside of security and generally feel more polished than the competition. When I see the Microsoft name associated with a product I feel I can generally assume it is a quality product, done correctly. Of course, there are exceptions as nobody is prefect.

I imagine Bill Gates doesn't spend any of his own money fixing bugs, etc. Microsoft, however, probabaly spends a great deal on these tasks.

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I agree. You can bash Microsoft all you want, but they have some top quality products. MS software feels very solid and stable and they "feel" right when you use them.

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Why do you like Microsoft Products? How much dollars Bill Gates spending minimum dollars anually for fixing. An examples: security holes, Updates, Upgrade, and copyrights, etc,... :blink:

Bill Gate's money is Bill Gate's money.

Microsoft's money is used for "fixing".

I would like to hear your reaction if ever your boss comes to you and say : Hey dude, you won't be paid this week, we have to clean the shop's floor and wax it.

Hahaha, I'm actually thinking that I'm funny :D

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My guess is that this was a troll by a Linux Loser.

The thing is that writing secure software is VERY hard to do. It's almost impossible to consider all the ways a user will interact with a programme in a NON-malicious way, let alone malicious intent.

The Linux crowd like to throw stones at Windows... but Windows gets hit because:

(a) It's popular

(b) Viral attacks, security exploits, etc. only get noticed when they affect the public (and notoriety is a big motivator to the losers who write malicious code)

The Linux crowd likes to believe that because you don't hear about Linux exploits that they are more secure... this is completely false. Were Linux to be used by the mainstream (i.e. if people were interested in using it at all) then you'd start hearing about exploit after exploit. Remember that the first hard-hitting, widespread viral attack that made the news was the RTM worm of '88 which exploited... UNIX. UNIX (and it's derivatives) are a bag of holes - we're STILL seeing exploits for SendMail; they just don't make the news because by and large no one is really interested.

I use Microsoft products at home because they work; they do the job and they do it well.

I use Microsoft products at work for the same reasons and because I don't buy into the communist bull**** propagated by the OSS crowd that code should be free. These idiots want all software to be free - so how are coders such as myself supposed to make a living? Their answer is by charging for tech support. What they don't want you to see is the fatal flaw in that model...

Each and every call to tech support SHOULD be seen as a failing on the part of the company; for whatever reason, the product has failed - either by not performing its designed task or because it has presented a barrier to the user that prevents them from using the product in some way. The goal then is to fix the software to remove such bugs or barriers. In the OSS "tech support" model, where is the incentive to make a better product? If they improve their product they reduce the number of support calls they get and they eventually go under. Under this model, making a superior product is a SURE-FIRE way of killing your business and the ONLY way such a model can work is by deliberately NOT making a superior product; in fact, the incentive is there to make software HARDER to use.

So you see; I support Microsoft because they make software, they pay the people who make that software, they provide a core around which other companies can make software and employ developers, and if I make the product better, the company BENEFITS from it, I benefit from it and the customer benefits from it. The OSS model is thinly-veiled communism that promises to produce inferior software and put thousands of people OUT OF WORK.

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Agreed. If Linux/Mac were nearly as popular as Windows, they would be under attacks also.

I use MS products because they're mainstream. I've dual booted linux, but even though I love the added customizability and power, I think that XP is nearly as stable but has a lot more software for it since it's mainstream.

And you can't disagree with the fact that Windows is so user friendly. I mean, can you really trust your grandma with linux?

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Why do you like Microsoft Products?

Because there are more programs for Microsoft.

Most of the people I know don't know how to work with Linux.

Windows is easy to use.

(and I guess like to see a computer crashing :devil: )

Why I'm not using Linux?

Because this ain't my pc, and I'm not allowed to install Linux on it.

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My guess is that this was a troll by a Linux Loser.

yeah... and you arnt a troll saying something like that.

dont turn this into a linux/ms bash. many people (including me) dual boot linux with windows.

microsoft makes good products, when they're so widespread and so many people trying to find holes in it, theres gunna be more security issues than with any other OS.

this debate will never end, except in moderation.

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who cares what he does with his money... it isnt going in my pocket so i could care less.

what I'm saying :yes:

Bill! Holla at your boys!!

This has nothing to do with Linux vs M$ so leave off dragging that neverending story into this thread busted_cop.gif

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yeah... and you arnt a troll saying something like that.

dont turn this into a linux/ms bash. many people (including me) dual boot linux with windows.

microsoft makes good products, when they're so widespread and so many people trying to find holes in it, theres gunna be more security issues than with any other OS.

this debate will never end, except in moderation.

No, I'm not a troll... I'm a professional developer who makes a living at least partially because Windows exists. I've also built and used more than one Linux box and have used various flavours of UNIX for a long time. The code I work on is also designed to work on UNIX boxes - we do NOT support Linux for either our server code (which is where I work) or our client code because (a) Linux has ZERO presence on the desktop and (b) Linux simply isn't up to the task on the server-side... so we use Windows Server 2003 and AIX, HPUX, Solaris and BSD.

I don't have a huge problem with Linux (I don't believe it's ready for prime time and I don't think it will ever be a mainstream OS on the desktop) however, the Linux crowd is its own worst enemy. They go to laughable lengths to show how good Linux is and how bad Windows is. Their overzealous support of Linux and their insistence on viewing Linux with rose-coloured glasses means that no one can take them (and by extension, Linux) seriously.

Point in case... right now on /. there is a story originally from CNet that mentions a BMW running WindowsCE in which the doors and windows locked effectively trapping several Thai dignitaries in the car. Everyone is clamouring over the story ripping apart Windows, BillG, Microsoft, etc... if they had actually RTFA then they would have read that BMW themselves openly admit it was an electronic failure in the car COMPLETELY UNRELATED to the WindowsCE OS the car is running... even after that was pointed out the slagging off continued. How can you take such people seriously?

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this is completely off topic now, can we please leave it now?

1. you cant call a group of pc users "linux losers" dont be so stereotypical.

2. nobody cares about a linux/windows debate, many people here accept both windows and linux (the linux community is very welcoming of windows users and pc's thankfully).

so shh!

/edit typo

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I agree with Kestrel on everything he posted. I'm also a software developer and couldn't have said it better myself.

I use Microsoft products because I RARELY have problems with them. For me they are stable, incredibly well designed, complex (in features) and user friendly. I agree with Microsoft on most issues and I'm excited over their next wave of software solutions. This is why i choose MS.

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this is completely off topic now, can we please leave it now?

1. you cant call a group of pc users "linux losers" dont be so stereotypical.

2. nobody cares about a linux/windows debate, many people here accept both windows and linux (the linux community is very welcoming of windows users and pc's thankfully).

so shh!

/edit typo

1.  you cant call a group of pc users "linux losers" dont be so stereotypical.
I can call them whatever I want - that's the wonder of free speech. By and large there's far more finger-pointing and name-calling coming form the Linux community than the Windows community.
2.  nobody cares about a linux/windows debate, many people here accept both windows and linux (the linux community is very welcoming of windows users and pc's thankfully).

This is total bunk... the Linux community is FAR from accepting of anyone who is not "in their fold" so to speak.

As for this being a Windows/Linux debate... no, not at all. As I recall, there was a fairly deliberate troll post that was quite anti-Microsoft, deliberately asking people for their thoughts on Microsoft and Windows. When I commented that it was trollish YOU called ME a troll.

I liken Linux users to hardcore feminists... hardcore feminists are not so much pro-female as they are anti-male. It's the same thing with Linux users... being pro-Linux is sort of a by-product of being anti-Microsoft... and you've just made my point beautifully.

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i mean, hacked, virus, etc

Between the RPC vulnerability and the numerous viruses, I think every windows user has felt the affects of viruses/security flaws.

Everyone who bought Windows is eligible for that settlement.

Have a nice day.

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