Bryan R. Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Relevant how?A counter to this ridiculous comment: when it comes to helping people through government means americans don't care as much as other westernized countries. trag3dy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlintyV Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 A counter to this ridiculous comment: Well that's typically based on a % of GDP and typically the US falls well below the suggested percentage set by the UN. If you want to go down that route though Generally his statement is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 A counter to this ridiculous comment: Your quote still doesn't make sense. The USA might be nr 1 on the list, my country (Belgium) is only 14th. But USA spends 30 billion on 300 million people. Belgium spends 2.3 Billion on about 11 million people. So yeah, his ridiculous comment made some sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 America needs to have TOUGHER laws like in Singapore. People hardly commit crimes in Singapore because the consequence is very tough depending on what type of crime. If you litter on the street, they will beat the **** out of you and possess any illegal drug it is death penalty. America school system needs to learn from Asian country. Kind of hard to enforce this considering most of the times, the shooter wants to end his life or is asking for it. And most of the time, the shooter is killed. Adding more strict laws/rules wouldnt help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan R. Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Well that's typically based on a % of GDP and typically the US falls well below the suggested percentage set by the UN. If you want to go down that route though Generally his statement is true. No need to quote another source, the one I linked to shows that point of view as well but I don't agree that because the US doesn't give away the same percent, we don't care. USA spends 30 billion on 300 million people. Belgium spends 2.3 Billion on about 11 million people. You need to get your head or eyes checked. It's the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Americans just don't value life very highly and there's not much that can be done about it. They'll defend the rights of foetuses but the caring ends the minute you're born. Really? Wow. Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways. I shall immediately start going out and shooting people instead of treating someone with respect. Sarcasm aside, dont lump a few idiots in with the rest of America. Stereotypes are not a good thing and really has no place here regardless of what nation you are talking about. You comment shows you know little to nothing about America or the human condition for that matter. trag3dy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinggus Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The kids still carry guns in school during those years you mentioned.. I saw a kid showing off to his friend with the gun ... it might be his dad's that he took it to school that his dad didn't know about. That he was standing about 2 ft away from me. If it was me, I will make sure that my kids do not have guns or any other weapons on them before they get on the bus or dropping them off at school. As you mentioned about schools with gates and fences, Michael J Fox's old school in BTTF movie is already have the fenced/gate up. During the movie, that school didn't have the fences up. So you're going to pat down your kid every day? Why not make sure your kid is happy with his life and how they treats others? I'm sure most school shootings, the perpetrador is unhappy with life, and shows it in their home. When I was growing up, I was asked "how was school" daily, and my parents showed they cared. My question is, I haven't heard of a school shooting which the perpetrador was a female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Raze Subscriber² Posted January 16, 2014 Subscriber² Share Posted January 16, 2014 Your quote still doesn't make sense. The USA might be nr 1 on the list, my country (Belgium) is only 14th. But USA spends 30 billion on 300 million people. Belgium spends 2.3 Billion on about 11 million people. So yeah, his ridiculous comment made some sense That amount is what the US government sends to to other nations. Or we could use different sources of info. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain--the-most-charitable-developed-nation-in-the-world-8978545.html http://www.aneki.com/most_generous_countries.html?number=25 http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/burma-ranked-worlds-2nd-generous-nation.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 No need to quote another source, the one I linked to shows that point of view as well but I don't agree that because the US doesn't give away the same percent, we don't care. You need to get your head or eyes checked. It's the other way around. Do you really have to be that rude. When you click your link, the first chart clearly shows the USA as nr1 and Belgium as nr 14 No need for me to check out head or eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinggus Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 That amount is what the US government sends to to other nations. Or we could use different sources of info. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain--the-most-charitable-developed-nation-in-the-world-8978545.html http://www.aneki.com/most_generous_countries.html?number=25 http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/burma-ranked-worlds-2nd-generous-nation.html $30.46 billion, awesome. We care so much for the world, lol. I'm shocked China isn't even on that list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakem1 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Really? Wow. Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways. I shall immediately start going out and shooting people instead of treating someone with respect. Sarcasm aside, dont lump a few idiots in with the rest of America. Stereotypes are not a good thing and really has no place here regardless of what nation you are talking about. You comment shows you know little to nothing about America or the human condition for that matter. Do you mean this human condition? Ohio executes inmate using untried, untested lethal injection method Condemned killer Dennis McGuire reportedly gasped and snorted during the abnormally long, 15-minute execution That doesn't seem too humane to me. The article's worth a read too. Especially this bit: Midazolam, a drug that is commonly prescribed to treat critically-ill patients because of its short half-life and relatively few side-effects, is already in short supply in hospitals, and medical practitioners fear the dearth will now intensify given the sharply increasing demands of prison wardens. The American Society of Health-System Pharmacists, which monitors the supply of pharmaceuticals, reports ?demand exceeding supply due to current market conditions?. Denying drugs to the sick so you can use them to kill people. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinggus Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Do you mean this human condition? Ohio executes inmate using untried, untested lethal injection method That doesn't seem too humane to me. I wonder how humane he was to his victim. psmoked, adrynalyne and trag3dy 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Til I Die Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Why has this thread turned into a 'Let's attack USA' thread? Every country has psychopaths, sociopaths, megalomaniacs, drug users, people who suffer from mental illnesses, etc. I do think the USA makes it far too easy for these people to get guns and go on a rampage. Any other country with such relaxed gun laws will probably have a higher rate of similar attacks than those countries where guns are not legal. trag3dy, +Raze and Dinggus 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan R. Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 This thread is really out of control. Dinggus, +Raze, gameboy1977 and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Raze Subscriber² Posted January 16, 2014 Subscriber² Share Posted January 16, 2014 Do you mean this human condition? Ohio executes inmate using untried, untested lethal injection method That doesn't seem too humane to me. The article's worth a read too. Especially this bit: Denying drugs to the sick so you can use them to kill people. Nice. No it isn't, a very grave and serious mistake was made and will be corrected. No one is saying America is perfect, but please do continue searching for just the negative things, it's sadly, very easy. Please close this thread. adrynalyne 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Til I Die Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Do you mean this human condition? Ohio executes inmate using untried, untested lethal injection method That doesn't seem too humane to me. The article's worth a read too. Especially this bit: Denying drugs to the sick so you can use them to kill people. Nice. Despite my dislike for capital punishment (primarily because there's always the minute possibility of the wrong person being executed), I cannot feel any sympathy for someone who did this: McGuire, 53, was executed for the 1989 rape and murder of Joy Stewart, who was 22 and about 30-weeks pregnant at the time. Her unborn child also died. That guy could've been set on fire for all I care. trag3dy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madd-hatter Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Hello, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2010s Its something massive and has to stop. Wow... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAZMINATOR Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 So you're going to pat down your kid every day? Why not make sure your kid is happy with his life and how they treats others? I'm sure most school shootings, the perpetrador is unhappy with life, and shows it in their home. When I was growing up, I was asked "how was school" daily, and my parents showed they cared. My question is, I haven't heard of a school shooting which the perpetrador was a female. FYI, I don't have kids yet but If I do, I make sure they have a good school record from start to finish. And make sure no weapons on them ... whether he/she has a knife in pocket or backpack. If so, I take it out, in case. If the kid isn't happy, he/she should come to me and talk about it. Not hide it from me or kid's mom. I do not want the kids have the 'criminal' marked on their school record and/or the related records if he/she injured/killed anyone at school. If they have bad grades, I can take their stuff away such as gaming consoles, PC, etc... and once they improve their grades up, I give them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinggus Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 FYI, I don't have kids yet but If I do, I make sure they have a good school record from start to finish. And make sure no weapons on them ... whether he/she has a knife in pocket or backpack. If so, I take it out, in case. If the kid isn't happy, he/she should come to me and talk about it. Not hide it from me or kid's mom. I do not want the kids have the 'criminal' marked on their school record and/or the related records if he/she injured/killed anyone at school. If they have bad grades, I can take their stuff away such as gaming consoles, PC, etc... and once they improve their grades up, I give them back. Cool. I'm just saying patting your kid down daily is alittle extreme, especially if they can hide a knife outside somewhere, or have their friends bring a weapon. Face it, if someone wants to kill someone, there's always ways to get around an obstacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riahc3 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Hello, Wikipedia is hardly a source.Obviously it is not. I was pointing out that there are a lot of shootings (obviously very recent ones have a source, others don't) I would have to ask what is the source of the wiki's information?You can search those yourself. Many of recent shootings have sources in the Wikipedia article. hold on, first of all a school shooting that happened where I went to school isn't even on that list, 1 person died... so don't trust Wikipedia...Well, if you have a source, you can add it :) I was just pointing out that there are A LOT of true shootings. Related to the following quote, why did that person shoot another that died? and gang shootings, don't try to turn something that happened in a school with a gun into something it's not... if it happens in school it's still a school shooting...No, no no no, don't get it mixed up. A modern day school shooting has NOTHING to do with school shootings back in the day. Now, usually it is because someone is mentally ill because of bullying or other mental problems. Back in the day, most shootings on schools were because of jealousy, envy, drugs, gang affiliation, etc.... Yes, you are correct in saying they are still school shootings but IMO there is different motives nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Do you mean this human condition? Ohio executes inmate using untried, untested lethal injection method Again, that doesnt represent all of America. A small part of it actually. You said Americans stop caring at birth. Stop generalizing and stereotyping. Makes you look no better than what you claim us Americans are. trag3dy, adrynalyne and +Raze 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Americans just don't value life very highly and there's not much that can be done about it. They'll defend the rights of foetuses but the caring ends the minute you're born. Wow... Yeah, us Americans, all our hands are soaked in blood. We start killing people pretty much the same time we start reading and writing. Do you really have any idea how much of a bitter old person you sound like when you start making such sweeping and not to mention wrong generalizations? Yeah, I took out a couple people on the way home today....you know...just because I am American. Oh and we eat our firstborn, too. trag3dy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Why has this thread turned into a 'Let's attack USA' thread? Every country has psychopaths, sociopaths, megalomaniacs, drug users, people who suffer from mental illnesses, etc. I do think the USA makes it far too easy for these people to get guns and go on a rampage. Any other country with such relaxed gun laws will probably have a higher rate of similar attacks than those countries where guns are not legal. Most threads involving violence of any sort or a perceived injustice in the US spirals into a HATE HATE HATE USA thread. However, if it happens in another country, it doesn't turn into a HATE HATE HATE <insert country> thread. Either there is a serious double standard going on here, or (more likely) Americans aren't stooping to the level of other haters. Which of course, is ironic. +Raze, trag3dy, psmoked and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinggus Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Because, unfortunately, it's true. When your not killing each other you're bombing other people and it's not just a guns issue. Whether it's healthcare, labour laws, welfare or any other issue regarding people's lives Americans demonstrate time and time again that they just don't care. Whenever there's a massacre in America the one thing you can guarantee is that Americans will display more sympathy for gun owners than they will for the dead. Sad but true. I noticed in all the threads that start calling American's out, you're definitely in it. Bryan R., trag3dy, Lord Method Man and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlintyV Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Most threads involving violence of any sort or a perceived injustice in the US spirals into a HATE HATE HATE USA thread. However, if it happens in another country, it doesn't turn into a HATE HATE HATE <insert country> thread. Either there is a serious double standard going on here, or (more likely) Americans aren't stooping to the level of other haters. Which of course, is ironic. Because you're silly hyperbole and jokes about shooting people on your way home or eating firstborn's really calms the thread and get it back on track? Stoffel 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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