Rumour, fact or fiction: Win9 RTM October 2014


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There have already been other posts from insiders saying that Windows 9 RTM will be April 2015.  If this is the case then October 2014 could be the first beta, they're just now starting work on it and will only talk about some things at BUILD in April so I think it's way too soon for such a big release this winter.  I think the goal going forward is for them to release Windows 9 in summer 2015 with a possible free 9.1 update yet again in 2016 with another major release in 2017. That keeps the major releases to a two year cycle which is a bit faster than before but with the added minor x.1 updates thrown in you get that quicker, yearly cycle they've been talking about.

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With the .1 releases now necessitating a full reinstall, the upgrade schedule is a little too fast for my taste. On the other hand it might be a good time to start skipping straight to the .1 releases I guess.

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With the .1 releases now necessitating a full reinstall, the upgrade schedule is a little too fast for my taste. On the other hand it might be a good time to start skipping straight to the .1 releases I guess.

.1 releaseed needs a full reinstall?  The PC I had without Preview upgraded without a hitch; the laptop needed a full reinstall tho because of the Preview, but that was known beforehand.

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In some cases 8.1 RTM needed a full install iirc, going from preview to final was one and going from a older version like vista or 7 was the other.  In this case I think if MS does another .1 release with a 9.1 that it'll be free for 9.0 users while everyone else will have to pay.  I also expect another good deal for 9 when it comes out like they did with 8.

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With the .1 releases now necessitating a full reinstall, the upgrade schedule is a little too fast for my taste. On the other hand it might be a good time to start skipping straight to the .1 releases I guess.

 

What? You are doing something wrong there...

 

I updated from the windows store, no reinstall at all...

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If GA is indeed April 2015, then this would make some sense. But, if there will still be a 3 month delta between RTM and GA, it would mean that RTM would be around early January 2015, with an RC in late November and, possibly (although this is quite a stretch) a beta in Sept. of 2014. It would fit somewhat in the same schedule as Win 8 (DP in Sept, CP in Feb. About a 1 month delta between RP and RTM, and 3 month delta between RP and RTM).

 

Also, according to  Thurrott, apparently, the development of Win9, won't begin until later in April of this year, after //build/ , so I highly doubt this schedule. We'll just have to wait and see.

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.1 releaseed needs a full reinstall?  The PC I had without Preview upgraded without a hitch; the laptop needed a full reinstall tho because of the Preview, but that was known beforehand.

What? You are doing something wrong there...

 

I updated from the windows store, no reinstall at all...

What???

 

Yes. My laptop did in fact BSOD right after the upgrade, and then intermittently thereafter (I've properly installed it since). But even disregarding that for a moment. The 8.1 upgrade used basically the same "upgrade install" process that you'd use when upgrading major versions in the past. The only difference is that they've continued to improve that process and also made it appear seamless by integrating it into the Windows Store. But it did actually install Windows then port over your existing settings much like an upgrade install. And that lands you in all sorts of trouble (as happened with me). Not everyone might experience an issue with it (My Surface went fine), but then major upgrade installs didn't used to cause problems for a lot of people either. Anyone who used to do fresh installs with major versions will have no reason to do anything different with the 8.1 upgrade.

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With the .1 releases now necessitating a full reinstall, the upgrade schedule is a little too fast for my taste. On the other hand it might be a good time to start skipping straight to the .1 releases I guess.

 

Yes. My laptop did in fact BSOD right after the upgrade, and then intermittently thereafter (I've properly installed it since). But even disregarding that for a moment. The 8.1 upgrade used basically the same "upgrade install" process that you'd use when upgrading major versions in the past. The only difference is that they've continued to improve that process and also made it appear seamless by integrating it into the Windows Store. But it did actually install Windows then port over your existing settings much like an upgrade install. And that lands you in all sorts of trouble (as happened with me). Not everyone might experience an issue with it (My Surface went fine), but then major upgrade installs didn't used to cause problems for a lot of people either. Anyone who used to do fresh installs with major versions will have no reason to do anything different with the 8.1 upgrade.

 

 

So no, It DOESN?T NEED a reinstall, it?s just a choice if you want to avoid possible issues....

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Sounds like pure fiction to me. All signs point to 2015.

 

I do expect whatever passes for a service pack nowadays to show up in 2014. So, expect updates to all the apps.

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So no, It DOESN?T NEED a reinstall, it?s just a choice if you want to avoid possible issues....

 

I guess you also don't think that you need to replace your breakpads, it's just a choice if you want to avoid crashing into things.

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Following the Windows Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 cycle, the RTM should be hit 2,5 month before GA. Since Windows 9 is supposed to launch in spring 2015, I doubt it will hit RTM in October. More something in January or February. Also, I think that the rumor about Windows 9's development not jet started is a fake one. What would to guys over at Microsoft have done since Windows 8.1 hit RTM? Just bugfixes for 8.1. I doubt it, development of another version of Windows usualy starts some days after the RTM. I think we will see a beta for Windows 9 this Build, I couldn't imagen why Microsoft would put Build so early on date otherwise.

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But there is no prove on WP 8.1, while it is possible WP will get a big spot this year, build has always been about Windows. If they do not launch a development version of Windows 9, that will probably happen on another event, but Build has always been used to launch big test releases with new features (Developer Preview, Windows 8.1 Preview), why would that not be the case this year? They are working on Windows 9 now for half a year, if not since the RTM of Windows 8: a couple of days after 8s RTM there was a report on a Windows NT 6.2.9622, many believed it was a hoax because it would ment that Microsoft skipped 400 build, but with Windows 8.1 between them and that rumor being true, they have been working on it since summer 2012.

WP 8.1 and Windows 8.1 Update 1. 

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the first post-ballmer windows

Not really, he'll have been out of the CEO spot for less than 2 months by the time it RTMs (if this is true). There'll be a lot of ballmer in this release, and the next. 

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Following the Windows Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 cycle, the RTM should be hit 2,5 month before GA. Since Windows 9 is supposed to launch in spring 2015, I doubt it will hit RTM in October. More something in January or February. Also, I think that the rumor about Windows 9's development not jet started is a fake one. What would to guys over at Microsoft have done since Windows 8.1 hit RTM? Just bugfixes for 8.1. I doubt it, development of another version of Windows usualy starts some days after the RTM. I think we will see a beta for Windows 9 this Build, I couldn't imagen why Microsoft would put Build so early on date otherwise.

 

Design and development for the next version starts well before RTM of the previous version. Once the OS is feature complete, the designers are pretty much done. By the time beta rolls in, the top engineers should be moving out of the picture as well.  QFE teams are needed for RTM and beyond, obviously.

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The big events at this BUILD conference are heavily rumored to be about Windows Phone 8.1, Windows 8.1 update 1 and the Xbox One.  They'll tease Windows 9 a bit but not show us anything specific I bet.  Instead I think all the details will be about phone and xbox one and what developers can do.  Those two alone are big news for people in my opinion.  It'd be great for them to detail WP8.1 and release a new SDK and also a app and game SDK for the xb1.  They could hold a different event late in the year when they're ready to show part of Windows 9 and even release a beta/preview.   Look at what they've done for Surface, nice small media events, might as well do the same and give us a sneak peak at 9 in October.

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There are reasons why Win 9 would be pushed out this year, and there are reasons for MS to keep talking april 2015.

 

a) MS doesn't want yet another holiday season sale with Win8

 

b) MS to talk of april 2015 will keep OEM's from frustration and not them to slow down the sales of Win8

 

The b) happened with Win 7 too. Win 7 was released months before MS had first announced, because MS wanted OEM's to keep shipping Vista and not delaying new products to the market, which would of meant less Vista sales. 

 

And about the talk that MS hasn't even yet started with Threshold/9 builds is just full BS, of course they have been building it for months now. MS is playing market tactics, inside the house they are doing different than what's told.

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