What happened to objectdock thread?


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Stardock should have thought of that before they leaked it out... once one person gets a hold of it of course its going to spread like crazy.... its too late to do anything now might as well share it with ppl.
Let me explain it to you.

The software was leaked not by Stardock for everyone to have fun with, but by someone internally who was violating their contract and breaking the law. Yes, low and behold, leaking software builds without a companies approval is against the law, and if Stardock finds out who did it, could choose to bring about criminal charges.

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anyway i made the dock available on morpheus

As for posting it on morpheus, I hope you are prosecuted. You're basically saying you don't care about whats right, you don't care if you ruin further development of this product for those of us that want it finished. Really, call it karma, call it justice, I hope you get what you deserve for screwing over people trying to make Windows a better enviroment to work in.

Ironically, your willingness to share is extremly selfish.

BTW; Stardock isn't some 'software corporate giant'. It was founded by people that love to tinker and tweak with their Windows systems, and want something better. The Stardock people I've had the pleasure to talk with over the past few years are really cool, really just trying to make a living doing what they love.

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meh... its out....

when/if they release a good version it will spread illegaly the same way this internal beta is...

nothing to lose sleep over deadzombie, cause theres nothing you can do to change it.

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It's unfortunately that it got leaked. Particularly since it was an older version without the support files. We will have to investigate how it got leaked in the first place.

I suspect that it was given to someone to play with on our IRC channel (#stardock on irc.stardock.com) and they in turn gave it to someone who gave it to someone and so on. It will take some time.

But it's pretty much impossible to stop a leak once it starts. It wasn't even an alpha (particularly that build), it was just a technology demo to see if it could be done on a PC.

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-outcast- said:

when/if they release a good version it will spread illegaly the same way this internal beta is...

I know you're 100% right. I question the sanity of anyone that doesn't jump on Direct Connect from time to time.

I'm not some self-rightous hypocrite.

But doesn't it irritate you guys just a little that some people just don't care about the integrity of a popular project. So many Windows users want this app to see the light of day, and here we have people doing everything they can to kill it. I was one of the first people the Object Dock was leaked to because of my affiliation with AquaSoft. Didn't see me posting the file anywhere. I want Object Dock to be finished.

I won't lose sleep over it. If I know anything (which is questionable at all...), is that people always get what they deserve.

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The main difference is between what what the leaked one seems to have and the full one is the support files are missing (which also very much narrows down who leaked it). So there are a lot of other features and such. It's still too buggy to be useful, just a toy right now.

It's unfortunate that it leaked because it will probably kill it and it will highly restrict who we let use alpha builds. Now it'll require that they be in the building or on a bound NDA with digitally signed versions (which is what we probably should do but we are a pretty casual group).

It's out there. Not much can be done now. It's too buggy and without the support files fairly useless to be anything more than a curiosity anyway.

As Neo1980 put it, may be some "better" company can make it. ;)

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Frogboy said:

It's unfortunate that it leaked because it will probably kill it and it will highly restrict who we let use alpha builds

I'm ****ed. The guys that leaked Object Dock suck monkey nuts.

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ok! listen to what i'm saying you guys deadzombie and frogboy:

not a lot of people at this time do have the app cause the thread whas closed just some minutes after i posted it moreover the file isn't anymore on morpheus and at this time no one downloaded it there so at now it's kinda safe for you.

i decided to stop sharing it. cause you're right,you guys made this app, we've got to respect your work and wait until you release it, if you do so one day :D

i wanted to make it available because....... i don't know!

i'm in aqua emu since a lot of time now!

and we are waiting,waiting,waiting just for a dock!

i don't think it's so hard to do cauz a lot of other things more complicated were done (i'm talking about these shell replacements, these 3d desktops)

all these things were much more complicated and they were released a while before, sometimes, we think you guys are working on projects that will never be released!!!!

or when it will , it won't have any interest.......

so i hope i didn't make to much damages to your company by doing this and i present you my excuses!

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Neogui you're not the one who leaked it though.

The person at fault is the person at Stardock or person on our IRC channel who KNEW it was a private build and betrayed our trust.

Leaked things are damaging because users, for better or worse, think it is representative of a product in general.

For example, I'm currently running a build of WindowBlinds that has a global bitmap cache. Currently, WindowBlinds and visual styles have to load up all those little bitmaps and such from disk when you launch a program. This is one of the big performance complaints anti-skinnign people make (anti-visual styles and anti-WB). The global bitmaps take care of this. But it's an alpha of this, and there are all sorts of bugs. By tomrrow it might get fixed but if someone leaked out this build, they'd see all sorts of bugs and it would hurt the product.

Same deal with the dock. If a final product were to be made, it would be something that would allow USERS to create their own docks in lots of different styles. That would be how the Apple issue would take care of it - WindowBlinds can make Windows look like Aqua but that's not what it was made for and it does't come that way - users can. Same would be true fo any dock type product. By default, it would do other things, but users could cerate their own effects and styles on their own. So our challenge is to make any such dock a general purpose task manager. But right now, it's just doing the aqua thing and it does so in a very buggy and slow way (particularly the leaked one). Some users will get a false impression of it as a result.

I.e. 1 year from now we come out with ObjectDock people are going to automaticaly think it's a Mac Aqua rip off and that's it. Even if it does a dozen different types of dock styles.

Sorry that's so convoluted, short on time today, but I hope you see what I'm talking about.

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Originally posted by Frogboy

BTW, for those of you who have this thing, what is the date on it?

Mine says

"Created 25 January 2002, 20:54:53"

"Modified 07 January 2002, 16:03:00"

Although this doesn't sound right when it was made in '99...

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ffs, the only people in this case that can and should be blamed are the developers. If I have something that I can basically be sued for first off:

1. The only person that is going to be seeing it is me

2. The only person that is going to be seeing it is me

3. The only person that is going to be seeing it is me

I suspect that it was given to someone to play with on our IRC channel (#stardock on irc.stardock.com) and they in turn gave it to someone who gave it to someone and so on. It will take some time.

That statement right there says it all. Don't go handing out copies of **** and you won't have problems with people handing it out.

Pure and simple.

Deadzombie to sit on here and make asinine comments like "As for posting it on morpheus, I hope you are prosecuted." is just silly considering the fact that if Apple finds out its been released whether leaked or not they might just go after Stardock. You can't sit around and want to go after the people that are giving it out when Stardock itself has stated that apple would most likely be ****ed if they knew about it in general.

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that's not really the point though. the point is that there is no online ethics. there is no respect of the developer. sure they shouldn't have leaked it, and i'm sure they're wishing that they didn't give it to some of the people they did, but there is a common courtesy to the developer to not go hog wild in giving everyone in the world something that was merely a "proof of concept." it's the same ethics that flows over into the realm of skinners that you don't steal their stuff, repackage it, and re-release it under your name. it's called ethics.

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is there anyway to keep the start menu and run this?? only problem with it is that.. i wanna know the time etc and want a start bar :)

buggy to hell but if stardock stop im sure someone else will start using this as a example

to avoid apple just make the final and leak it :)

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wickedkitten said:

Deadzombie to sit on here and make asinine comments like "As for posting it on morpheus, I hope you are prosecuted." is just silly considering the fact that if Apple finds out its been released whether leaked or not they might just go after Stardock.

Funny post, great comments!

So you think that because Object Dock was there, it was ok for people to abuse, right or wrong be damned?

Big PROPS to Neogui for taking Object Dock off of Morpheus. That was the right thing to do.

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In some ways I can imagine how Brad feels at present, because at the end of the day a betrayal of trust that you place in a person is a hard cookie to bite into.

It reminds me of a situation we had at a former employer, when unbeknown to us a member of the sales team had been feeding a leading competitor prototypes of every sample product he could lay hands on. Seeing as it was a cut throat business the last thing you needed was competition edging our lead, but for the best part of 2 years we watched while everything we worked so hard bringing to market was copied so fast it just did not make sense - it was obviously not backwards engineering. Weeks and months spent in design, trials, meetings, cad/cnc programming, hard tooling production, trial batch and standards approval - well not exactly wasted - but all for the sake of one person the employment of 600 was placed on the line simply because that one person wanted to ingratiate himself with the technical director of our competition.

It hurt, because we all placed our trust in each other, but one amongst us was prepared to put him before us. Thankfully we were big enough to take the knock and lost one employee - nice thing was that his so called friend did not offer him a job, more than likely because he had shown how much he could be trusted. Three years later we made a big investment and bought the competition ... erm we already had a tech director so that was one less beamer on the car park.

Yeah sure Brads smarting because some people got his spankie toy with limited functionality. Both he and Stardock will get over that - trust on the other hand is a little bit different and people show how much they can be trusted by what they do and not what they say.

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Originally posted by deadzombie

wickedkitten said:

Funny post, great comments!

So you think that because Object Dock was there, it was ok for people to abuse, right or wrong be damned?

Big PROPS to Neogui for taking Object Dock off of Morpheus. That was the right thing to do.

no, its more along the lines of it shouldn't have ever been shown since it was KNOWN Apple was going to have problems with it. That would be like me taking WB and making a cloned version of it and posting screenshots knowing that I would end up being sued if Stardock found out about it. I'm sure most of the people on here knew that when it was first shown it was going to end up leaked.

If you didn't want to get in trouble with Apple it shouldn't have ever been put in a format where it COULD be leaked.

It's more of a moral issue considering that heh people from wincustomize (not naming names) get all in a lather about people making sure they have permission from skinners before porting wb themes, then they don't even get Apples permission before they go taking one of the main GUI elements of OSX and essentially "porting" it.

Kinda smacks of hypocracy to me.

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