chrisj1968 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 source link: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-nsa-tampers-us-internet-routers-snowden I'm not getting into all of this smoke and mirrors or conspiracy stuff, I know I did in the past but now.. PFFTT! but I really wanna ask my compadres here, if the NSA DOES in fact tamper with our routers, is there a way to login to it and find it and eradicate it? I've often thought about hoping there's a update to overwrite what they have done or completely reset the router to its defaults? I don't like the "prospect" of someone in my house so-to-speak and wanted to toss this at any real diehard or hardcore It techs? thanks. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnónna Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 you could always put a custom open source firmware on it. :ninja: if your routers one of the ones that they make them for that is. :argh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Because if they had "tampered with your router" then they'd leave signs, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisj1968 Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Netgear WDNR4300 through my provider charter communication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I'm not getting into all of this smoke and mirrors or conspiracy stuff On the contrary, that is precisely what you are doing. No amount of firmware upgrades are going to do anything. If the default firmware is compromised, what do you think updating it will do? You could install a Linux based firmware, but then again, who's to say that hasn't been tampered with, either? Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisj1968 Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Because if they had "tampered with your router" then they'd leave signs, right? my thinking was, there'd have to be something in there somewhere a well seasoned IT pro could find. On the contrary, that is precisely what you are doing. No amount of firmware upgrades are going to do anything. If the default firmware is compromised, what do you think updating it will do? You could install a Linux based firmware, but then again, who's to say that hasn't been tampered with, either? thanks for the good point about the updates being tampered with.. thanks DOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 my thinking was, there'd have to be something in there somewhere a well seasoned IT pro could find. And my thinking was that the NSA hire better, well seasoned IT pros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Long story short, I think the NSA have better things to do than tamper with Joe Person's router. If you're that worried over it, then being online isn't something you should be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohpep Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 You could install a Linux based firmware, but then again, who's to say that hasn't been tampered with, either? Linux is open source. Surely, someone would notice a backdoor? Here's a list of router firmware that's safe. https://prism-break.org/en/categories/routers/ This may be of note: https://www.neowin.net/news/some-routers-found-to-be-listening-on-undocumented-port http://grc.com/portprobe=32764 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
episode Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 The NSA doesn't give a ###### about your router. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Linux is open source. Surely, someone would notice a backdoor? Here's a list of router firmware that's safe. https://prism-break.org/en/categories/routers/ This may be of note: https://www.neowin.net/news/some-routers-found-to-be-listening-on-undocumented-port http://grc.com/portprobe=32764 You would think everything would be noticed in OSS, but that didn't stop Heartbleed from lingering around for *ahem* years. :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohpep Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 You would think everything would be noticed in OSS, but that didn't stop Heartbleed from lingering around for *ahem* years. There are other more well maintained projects from GNU, like GnuTLS that did not have this flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 The NSA can zap your brain from Space. gohpep 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Michael Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Linux is open source. Surely, someone would notice a backdoor? Here's a list of router firmware that's safe. https://prism-break.org/en/categories/routers/ This may be of note: https://www.neowin.net/news/some-routers-found-to-be-listening-on-undocumented-port http://grc.com/portprobe=32764 And how long did it take for the internet community as a whole to discover the heartbleed openssl cluster######? Just because it is open source doesn't mean that the checks&balances will discover every bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohpep Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 And how long did it take for the internet community as a whole to discover the heartbleed openssl cluster####? Just because it is open source doesn't mean that the checks&balances will discover every bug. Again, there are other open source solutions other than OpenSSL, like GnuTLS that did not have this vulnerability, besides the Heartbleed was a bug that resulted directly from the heartbeat feature, so it was integrated in the feature, not specifically coded into the program as a backdoor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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