scuzlbut07 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 well according to senior u cant compile and run it at all... so how did u play it! hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senior Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I never downloaded..dont game on my ****ty pc at all...used to tho.. it's all xbox now ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzeWong Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Actually what senior said makes a lot of sense, Since they have a contract with ATI, if they were to fault, it would cost them millions if not more, Basically, if ATI could not ship their radeon cards with HL2 it would alter their projected earnings and fudge up their financial statements costing ATI millions in terms of equity from shareholders. Then Valve would have to come up with some stupiid ass excuse to cover up for it, liikee... their source code being stolen? This way, the market would not assume the loss in EPS (earnings per share) was the result of valve, and not ATI itself - which would keep their market price from dropping Basically, I'm beginning to think Valve didn't finish, needed a last minute excuse, gave away some incomplete source code, and now they have time, an exucse, and no physcial tangbible loss at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senior Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Yup...you sell exponentionally more cards when there is a reason to use them. Even the vouchers expired before the came was slated for re release.. I am sure if Valve was faulted out of the contract...ATI could have made a case against them in court for damages. Valve would have been responsible for not holding up their end of the agreement. because it is probably resulting in poor sales cuz people have no reason to upgrade yet.. If it was some faceless hacker no one is at fault but the security firm and how much money can u squeek out of them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted December 8, 2003 Veteran Share Posted December 8, 2003 someone explain to me how this opens up their game to hackers? oooo what are they gonna do? give themselves unlimited health? wooptidoo, there will be trainers anyway No, they'll find buffer overflows in the server software and use it to root machines. That's the sort of problem we're talking about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bant Veteran Posted December 8, 2003 Veteran Share Posted December 8, 2003 yeah... like ati is going to go and do anything drastic to a company that could quite easily make their game more compatible with nvidia based cards and make it run like **** on a radeon ;p the hardware industry, especially graphics card makers, NEED the developers to develop if they want to sell their cards.... ati isnt in a position to say, hey valve, **** you guys we want money... what would you do if you were valve? hand over hte money and then make an exclusivity deal with nvidia for the same amount? or maybe just threaten to make one? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japlabot Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 No, they'll find buffer overflows in the server software and use it to root machines. That's the sort of problem we're talking about... well that's the stuff that they have to ensure doesn't exist in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishie Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 where does quick reply come up with these stupid topics. no offense pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted December 8, 2003 Veteran Share Posted December 8, 2003 Isnt it kinda funny that this annon, that NO ONE has ever heard of prior and after the source code was stolen, hacked into the most antisipated game of the year, and possibly ever, and stole only a fragment of the source. No one knows who he is for a reason: He's anonymous. If you stole code from Microsoft, would you want your name all over it so you could be sued and sent to jail? He's probably someone with a name inside the hacking community, but I know I wouldn't want my name plastered all over this sort of case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japlabot Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 where does quick reply come up with these stupid topics. no offense pal. i actually thaught of this one myself a few weeks ago :happy: the others are just rumours I've heard and are most probably BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzeWong Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 yeah... like ati is going to go and do anything drastic to a company that could quite easily make their game more compatible with nvidia based cards and make it run like **** on a radeon ;pthe hardware industry, especially graphics card makers, NEED the developers to develop if they want to sell their cards.... ati isnt in a position to say, hey valve, **** you guys we want money... what would you do if you were valve? hand over hte money and then make an exclusivity deal with nvidia for the same amount? or maybe just threaten to make one? :p If it's worth the money yes, ATI has reason to sue, Because Valve won't deliver. If Valve were to strike back, it would look petty and damage their reputation. Besides, I don't think it would be easy to make HL2 more Nvidia specified. BUT that's not the issue, the issue is this: Valve is worried about ruining their relationship with ATI and breaking the contract (Illegal). They aren't so worried about ATI doing something so drastic, but Valve wouldn't take taht kind of chance. If Valve doesn't deliver, ATI is gonna get mad cheesed. this is gonna cause a ****load of problems, so why not release some code to defer the execution? ATI isn't going to blame Valve , instead ATI is going to be understanding. Source code is leaked, my friend has it (shhhhh), but he tells me it isn't much worth to script kiddies, Maybe other companies, but for them to use the physics would go too far. It's blatant stealing. Anyways, assuming that valve wasn't ready Did not leak code: Delay ****es everyone off, No one trust valve to deliver on time, ATI gets mad ****ed, Market shares go down, and Valve FOR THAT YEAR, will lose money and funding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senior Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Ezewong.. i put two and two together a long time ago.. I saw the release date and it was coming up quick... and there was no indication that the game was even close to going gold.. I was surprised more people didnt think along the lines I did.. Let's say even now..if ATI took Valve to court for breach of contract...Valve would have the code leak as external, unforseeable justification of delay..now ATI would have to go after the security firm employed for losses...or seek the hacker him/herself.. It all just seems too convienent.. Better watch out.. I may be offed by Valve's henchmen.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm3h Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 tis possible.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japlabot Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 Did anyone notice that they said that the server was breeched on 9/11? Maybe they are subliminally trying to get symphony because people associate that day with compassion :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snippet1 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 It's possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 While it is possible, there would be little benefit from Valve. Leaking the source code wouldn't be good in any case scenario, from how I see it. I mean, if they were going to take that big of a risk just to delay the game then it'd be stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuxi Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 It's not very possible, but... :huh: :shifty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x2cube Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 ANON = anymous... there are thousands of people that come up with exploits that people never hear of... Valve leaking it themselves? I doubt it but this I how I think it MIGHT'VE happened if someone in valve did leak it: An employee of Valve sent Gabe the e-mail exploit, or had someone else do it. They leaked it to warezx (On the rizon server, the ones who first got the HL2 leak)... They sent the exploit e-mail so Valve would focus there instead on an internal leak. but I really think a hacker sent the exploit so they could get HL2 which is one of the most anticipated games of all time... As I said before, anybody could've done this. They don't need to be an 1337 hax0r that is incredibly famous, because as far as I'm concered there aren't any modern hackers that are famous. The only one I can think of is Kevin Mitnick, but he's not modern and any modern hacker could've done what he did back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trix Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 timdorr: the havoc engine is in parts of files it isnt separrate (ithink) if its separtae where the f*ck have i been !!!!!! (not that im gonna get it or do anything with it ;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albino Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I just hope that they finish the game soon, no matter if part of it leaked or not. The only thing i'm sure of...hl2 will kick ass!!! :ninja: Hope they don't delay it anymore, whatever the reasons are... :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalFreedom Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 If anyone of you that are claiming that the Beta that was leaked was a pos, did you actually download and play with it.It had alot of problems, incomplete levels, not everything was reflective in surface water. the level with the walkers didn't have any people, items, or the walkers working. and many other quirks. I still stand by the belief that this was pre-E3 demo, like a peice that they had been working on prior to E3 or something. and that they could very well of been close to their sept30 release or at the latest sometime during november. OK, let me clear this whole leaked beta thing up, THE GUY GOT... ready for this 1.Most of the source code 2.Most of the Resources 3.A little bit of the actual game NOW what he did put the source and resources togther and complied it, There the first release then the patch he made was when he was able to get some of the real game working with the compiled verson, so it ran a bit better, one way you know this is true because the sorce code that leaked had DirectX missing, or half missing anyways, but opengl was in tact, we know for a fact valve favored DirectX for hl2, and that DirectX was missing from the "leaked" game part, also if it was complied he could of easly change something in the code to say "4 days to Septemeber whatever" right, and last for all we know he hated valve and wanted to make them look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalN. Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 It's Possible but im not sure theyd do it. i said yes, because its an excuse for getting a time extemsion cause they werent even done. i mean, its beggining to be a habit of valve at not releasing stuff on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futb0l Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 they did it alright - it's from anonymous? usually hackers want their nickname recognized so they can say they are l33t and stuff. and the source code may not even be in the retail version of the game, it's probably taken from the really early stages of production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XPGoD Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 He did go on to name himself: Osama Bin Leaker Do I think it was leaked, yes. Only reason being is that they would get "something" out there so "true gamers alike" could see what is in store for them. Meaning, I believe that they were not finished, but they had some sort of working copy. They prolly have a team of people who read forums just like this to see things like "hey i get texture errors with this card or sound probs with this card." They already know it will sell like hotcakes, there is no doubt about that. I mean, when XP was beta, let me see a show of hands of those who use that as their primary OS. We feel comforted by having the final build, not some well, iffy product. I only hope they do fix somethings I have read about, but I already know that Doom 3, Splinter Cell 2, Half Life 2, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. are going to push the envolope on the gaming industry. Oh, and Medal of Honor Pacific too. That's only what I think. PONDER on that for a moment while I play some Need For Speed>Underground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Hi! I'm John Voigt, a delegate of the NSAs personnel management! I'd like to recruit everyone that voted "Yes". We're still in need of analytical minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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