DocM Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 More foot stomping from our Russian friends. These stations measure things like continental drift, elevation etc. The 'military uses' comment is a red herring. http://www.igs.org The International GNSS Service (IGS) is a voluntary federation of more than 200 worldwide agencies that pool resources and permanent GPS & GLONASS station data to generate precise GPS & GLONASS products. The IGS is committed to providing the highest quality data and products as the standard for Global Navigation Satellite Systems (GNSS) in support of Earth science research, multidisciplinary applications, and education. http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/40780russia-turns-off-data-from-igs-gps-tracking-stations Russia Turns off Data from IGS GPS Tracking Stations As announced by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on May 13, 2014, GPS tracking stations co-sponsored by U.S. interests have stopped making their data available to scientists and others. The tap on the flow of data from 11 stations was turned off starting on May 31. The data flow included hourly and daily data files from the stations as well as the real-time flow of data over the Internet. In an item entitled ?On Execution of the Instructions of the Government of the Russian Federation,? the website of Roscosmos, the Russian Space Agency, reported: ?In accordance with the instructions of the Government of the Russian Federation, the Russian Space Agency in conjunction with the Federal Agency scientific organizations on June 1, 2014, implemented measures to avoid the use of information from the global seismographic network stations operating on the signals of the GPS system and located in the Russian Federation, for purposes not covered by existing agreements, including military uses.? (As translated by Google Translate.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Slowly, but surely, the iron curtain is going back up... 123456789A, SecretAgentMan, Nashy and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 Yup, and Izvestia had a Russian language story that they're going to train Iranian cosmonauts and supply Iran with spy satellites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coth Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Slowly, but surely, the iron curtain is going back up... What a rubbish. It's just business. It was done simply because US disallowed GLONASS tracking stations on own territory. And they were suspended by now. If US won't change its mind by september they would be shut down permanently. +E.Worm Jimmy and +Mirumir 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 What a rubbish. It's just business. It was done simply because US disallowed GLONASS tracking stations on own territory. And they were suspended by now. If US won't change its mind by september they would be shut down permanently. Believe what you will. It's pretty clear that a very rapid divide is once again forming between the east and west. It may not be an ideological divide this time, but it's a divide nonetheless. Personally, I think that's a terrible thing and wish our respective governments would stop being so bloody childish. Dick Montage, djdanster, SecretAgentMan and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 What a rubbish. It's just business. It was done simply because US disallowed GLONASS tracking stations on own territory. And they were suspended by now. If US won't change its mind by september they would be shut down permanently.Rubbish right back at you.US-Russia negotiations over GLONASS started 4 days ago and run until the end of August. Russia is just trying to gain an upper hand by holding research and education programs hostage. You know who is hurt the most by this? Chinese seismologists and volcanologosts. Without the data from those 11 stations their ability to monitor their faults and volcanic zones will be reduced significantly. These depend on knowing exactly where the relatively stable Eurasian plate is. On May 13 Denis Manturov, Russia?s minister of industry and trade said it doesn?t make sense; ?technically it can be done, but what is the purpose of that?? He's 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coth Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 4 years. Not 4 days. Or actually much longer. For almost decade. In past years they were extensive, but US government was doing everything to prevent deployment. 4 days ago is when ultimatum has been issued. 1 september is a deadline. As said - purpose is a fair play. If US doesn't want to play fair, then it should be in same conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Believe what you will. It's pretty clear that a very rapid divide is once again forming between the east and west. It may not be an ideological divide this time, but it's a divide nonetheless. What east? Russia != the east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 What east? Russia != the east.To us older folks who remember the cold war the dividing line was the Iron Curtain. "The East" was basically anything east of the Berlin Wall.Also, draw a vertical line down from Moscow and where does it end? Roughly between Saudi Arabia and Egypt - the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 More foot stomping from our Russian friends. Of course you leave out and ignore that this is a direct response to American foot stomping.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Rubbish right back at you. US-Russia negotiations over GLONASS started 4 days ago and run until the end of August. Russia is just trying to gain an upper hand by holding research and education programs hostage. I think the words you're looking for is balance or equal footing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 Of course you leave out and ignore that this is a direct response to American foot stomping.... Which was a response to Russian interventionism and other instances of being less than helpful internationally, some dating back several years. Don't forget that Russia had first started threatening to withdraw the RD-180 engines while we were still "friends", proving that part of the " relationship" was one sided relationship as far as Putin was concerned. Tews 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Yeah, you as usual only see everything from a very US centric point of view and ignore everything that happened before of US antagonism. face it' you're both wrong. you're both pigheaded stupid nationalistic states. djdanster 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazoo Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Time to stock up on those Levis 501's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechJunkie81 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 The world thinks another Soviet Dictator is on the rise, not exactly, Putin comes off as wanting to be a new Tsar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 What east? Russia != the east. To us older folks who remember the cold war the dividing line was the Iron Curtain. "The East" was basically anything east of the Berlin Wall. Also, draw a vertical line down from Moscow and where does it end? Roughly between Saudi Arabia and Egypt - the Middle East. ^ This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 The world thinks another Soviet Dictator is on the rise, not exactly, Putin comes off as wanting to be a new Tsar.Pretty much. And it's not as if only the US is ticked off over his activities of the last several years. It's all going over like a skunk at a wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Pretty much. And it's not as if only the US is ticked off over his activities of the last several years. It's all going over like a skunk at a wedding. Which is funny since he's doing the same thing europe and US has been doing and responding to EU/US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789A Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm wondering though, did the GLASNOST thing even have much benefit in the US? Isn't most of our GPS done with the regular GPS satellites? I just hope my Lumia can still navigate without GLASNOST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm wondering though, did the GLASNOST thing even have much benefit in the US? Isn't most of our GPS done with the regular GPS satellites? I just hope my Lumia can still navigate without GLASNOST. Lumia has both, and will work just fine with one or the other. Though it's faster and more accurate with both. especially since GLONASS has higher accuracy since GPS has a larger artifical limit. This ground stations has no or little effect on your phones ability to receive accurate signals from satellites in orbit though ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 What east? Russia != the east. To many older people, it is. The WW2 divisions labelled it this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coth Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Which was a response to Russian interventionism and other instances of being less than helpful internationally, some dating back several years. Don't forget that Russia had first started threatening to withdraw the RD-180 engines while we were still "friends", proving that part of the " relationship" was one sided relationship as far as Putin was concerned. 1. That was a response to American interventionism. 2. Russia never threatened to break RD-180 supply. There has been some opposition movement a year ago, but not official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coth Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm wondering though, did the GLASNOST thing even have much benefit in the US? Isn't most of our GPS done with the regular GPS satellites? I just hope my Lumia can still navigate without GLASNOST. Glasnost' means freedom of speech. That was a movement in late 1980's. US didn't benefit of it, as nowadays US media are very much like Soviet media back then. GLONASS means GLObal NAvigation Satellite System. It has better coverage and precision in northern latitudes, worse in central. Most modern GNSS receivers utilizes DualGNSS system using both GPS and GLONASS satellites, which allows to drastically bypass GPS civil limitations. +Mirumir 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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