neowin_hipster Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Almost everyone i know uses all kinds of warez (mostly wintel ppl) and they warez everything from the OS itself to cd burners to burn it. I've noticed at different mac sites (i'm planning on getting one soon) that people talk about "purchasing" stuff like office. I'm personally not a fan of warez and if i can't afford something i look for an opensource/free alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishie Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 there are fat warez junkies on mac too :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddogMDD Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 they use warez less. those willing to spend the extra money to get a mac computer also probably have the money to buy their software. it's sort of a mac mentality. money is often not an issue. if it was, they'd have a pc because it's more bang for your buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling3k12 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Sure about that? Don't think I'd want you speaking for the whole Mac community if you think that just because it's more money, we have more money to spend on software. I mean, if you think we as a Mac community make more money, that would lead to assume we lead better lives and have better jobs and are more successful. But since that's not the case for every thing, you should best just shut up. There's probably just as much a percentage that do pirate software on the Mac than they do on the PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzeWong Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Depends, In the maro sense, probably not. Schools, professionals, etc. they all use adobe and **** on mac. They NEED to have the legal version. And by the same token Mac software is so goddamn expensive, that some students and aspiring video ediotrs all steal adobe and **** for their mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostspyder Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Macs are expensive, People who buy macs are much more willing to spend the money on it than PC users who spend 399 on an emachine. Also mac has less programs avalable for it that are commonly pirated on PC's. Most of the PC pirating is games, very few games are out on macs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBlur Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 they use warez less. those willing to spend the extra money to get a mac computer also probably have the money to buy their software. it's sort of a mac mentality. money is often not an issue. if it was, they'd have a pc because it's more bang for your buck. Uh, no. Not EVERYONE who buys Macs buy them because they "have the money". Some of them buy Macs because they think they're easier, and they just don't understand that they're basically the same as any other PC except for the OS. My aunt has very little money, but she will only buy Macs, even when I tell her she can get another machine for like $300, it doesn't matter to her. I also know a lot of graphic design students that don't bother buying anything but Mac, not because they have money, but because they know they have to know how to use mainly Macs in the real workforce. These people would all definately be just as likely to use warez. I don't know a single student where I go to school that doesn't have at least one professional-level program on their computer they didn't buy themselves, Mac or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 @MaddDogMDD & LostSpyder - You could not be further off. Most Mac owners do not buy them because they have the money to waste. I know quite a few fellow University students along with myself that own Macs, and let me tell you, we are about as far from rich as it gets. Whether a PC is more bang for your buck is a personal preference, and frankly not one that needs to be discussed in this thread because it will simply turn into a Mac vs PC debate. Mac mentality? No. The Mac Warez scene is alive and well. Check out MacP2p (Don't worry this isn't a bad site). There are many clients and networks available to Mac, including Fasttrack (Kazaa). In fact, many of the p2p software is a little more advanced than the PC scene being that it does not include Spyware or Adaware such as Kazaa. File sharing seems to have become a market within itself. Big $. But most Mac Warez programs are stripped of everything that is unnecessary, sort of like K++. Warez has absolutely nothing to do with what machine you own. If you want to find something illegally, there are ways to do it. It has nothing to do with a Mac mentality, it has to do with morals and values. Taking advantage of a software company or record company is a decision that is made on a person to person basis. Do people with Adidas jay-walk more than people with Cole Hanns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frod Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 hahaha, man i love these guys. i own a mac and i make $80 a week if i'm lucky. i could barely afford this powerbook let alone photoshop. why did i buy it? because i got more ram, more hard drive space, a dvd burner, and built-in wireless for cheaper than a dell without these things. not to mention 2" of less thickness and 2 less pounds and 1-2 more hours of battery life. the warez scene is there, i've seen it, i'm sure most of these guys have. less users == less people who know about it you probably see people mention "purchasing" because talking about warez is against the tos of this message board you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted December 8, 2003 Veteran Share Posted December 8, 2003 I'd definitely say about the same, especially with the advent of bittorrent. The ratio of Mac to PC torrenting seems about inline with the ratio of Mac to PC users out there (about 90 to 10, essentially). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwanders Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 they use warez less. those willing to spend the extra money to get a mac computer also probably have the money to buy their software. it's sort of a mac mentality. money is often not an issue. if it was, they'd have a pc because it's more bang for your buck. Wow...there's not an ounce of actual knowledge anywhere in that post. Fact is, there are plenty of mac warez sites. and they get used plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoy Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 they use warez less. those willing to spend the extra money to get a mac computer also probably have the money to buy their software. it's sort of a mac mentality. money is often not an issue. if it was, they'd have a pc because it's more bang for your buck. i don't see how pcs are better value... people who use macs are just ordinary people... they still do warez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹ Posted December 8, 2003 Subscriber¹ Share Posted December 8, 2003 i used to use macs when i was in multimedia business. and i did some "research" then. i can safely say people use warez just as much on macs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac15 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 the answer to your question is 'hardly' , smaller community we all try to help one another :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I'd guess it's a little less - but probably somewhere close to the same for home users. I gave up on pirating software years ago. I use photoshop, dreamweaver, and <pick an OS> to make money - I figure the price these companies are charging (especially with student/developer discounts) are fair. The way I look at it: if I can justify owning a "luxary" mp3 player or designer clothing I also have the money to purchase the tools I need to make that money to buy those nice things. I was comming from a couple years of using Linux/BSD almost exclusively so I knew that if I had to there is plenty of Free/legal software I can use so that "I can't afford it, but I need it" excuse just didn't work for me (I _could_ afford it, and I didn't _need_ it: I just liked/wanted it). I pirated a few things but whenever I used them I would think - This is only $80, why not just buy the damn thing? In the end I just caved - tossed the stuff I didn't own, bought the stuff I wanted and everythings been good since. 95% of the stuff people pirate these days will never be used to it's full extent anyway (ie: why get final cut pro when FCE will do the job for the 'extreme' hobbist, and iMovie is adequate for the rest of us - almost none of use need the features in FCP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkayz Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 When I was taking a video course in college the teacher was a mac warez fiend (all the comps were macs at the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphie Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 they use warez less. those willing to spend the extra money to get a mac computer also probably have the money to buy their software. it's sort of a mac mentality. money is often not an issue. if it was, they'd have a pc because it's more bang for your buck. <offtopic> More bang for your buck? Just because it costs less doesn't mean it's more bang for your buck. I have a 733 G4 and an AMD 2200+ and the AMD 2200 cost less than my mac and even with the difference in architecture all that, the PC is "faster" than the man. However, take a guess which one i use more? The mac does everything I want how I want it. It does it faster for me because it doesn't waste my time with bad OS and UI design. It has all the things I need and put in the right way. It's madness to make such an absurd statement. I use my PC to code ASP.NET because it is PC only, and to play a few games here and there, but that is about it. What else is it good for? There are less apps on the mac, but there are all the apps you need for the most part. All the high end apps in every category except perhaps CAD are both mac and PC, some mac only. The only place it is lacking is in games, but games these days just are not what they used to be anyway. None of them seem to last more than a week in terms of re-playability and such. </offtopic> As far as the topic goes. There are less mac Warez'ers than PC ones b/c there are less mac users. I wouldn't say that a lesser percentage of them pirate though. AS my point above wishes to say, people who buy macs are not just rich people. Some of them actually need to fit buying photoshop into their budget. It isn't a "throw money at it and it will be ok" group of computer users. To think such is madness. If that was the case, why would Apple release anything but middle and top of the line machines. Warez use in numbers = PC. Warez use in percentage = probably about even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 <offtopic> More bang for your buck? Just because it costs less doesn't mean it's more bang for your buck. I have a 733 G4 and an AMD 2200+ and the AMD 2200 cost less than my mac and even with the difference in architecture all that, the PC is "faster" than the man. However, take a guess which one i use more? The mac does everything I want how I want it. It does it faster for me because it doesn't waste my time with bad OS and UI design. It has all the things I need and put in the right way. It's madness to make such an absurd statement. I use my PC to code ASP.NET because it is PC only, and to play a few games here and there, but that is about it. What else is it good for? There are less apps on the mac, but there are all the apps you need for the most part. All the high end apps in every category except perhaps CAD are both mac and PC, some mac only. The only place it is lacking is in games, but games these days just are not what they used to be anyway. None of them seem to last more than a week in terms of re-playability and such. </offtopic> As far as the topic goes. There are less mac Warez'ers than PC ones b/c there are less mac users. I wouldn't say that a lesser percentage of them pirate though. AS my point above wishes to say, people who buy macs are not just rich people. Some of them actually need to fit buying photoshop into their budget. It isn't a "throw money at it and it will be ok" group of computer users. To think such is madness. If that was the case, why would Apple release anything but middle and top of the line machines. Warez use in numbers = PC. Warez use in percentage = probably about even. There was no need to respond to his "more bang for your buck" comment. I am sure that MaddDog uses a PC and is very happy with it. Whether or not something is a better value is a personal preference so let's try to stay on the topic of Warez :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBlur Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 As far as the topic goes. There are less mac Warez'ers than PC ones b/c there are less mac users. I wouldn't say that a lesser percentage of them pirate though. AS my point above wishes to say, people who buy macs are not just rich people. Some of them actually need to fit buying photoshop into their budget. It isn't a "throw money at it and it will be ok" group of computer users. To think such is madness. If that was the case, why would Apple release anything but middle and top of the line machines.Warez use in numbers = PC. Warez use in percentage = probably about even. Yeah, percentage-wise it is even, and the original question takes that into account anyway, so you didn't really need to say any of that. Obviously we all know there are less Mac users. The question is do the people that use Macs pirate software as often as the people that use other PCs (specifically Wintel machines, I'm assuming)? Also, trying to take into account social institutios and governemt agencies and public agencies isn't really going to make any sense, because they wouldn't use warez either way, those numbers just don't count; this isn't an arguement about which platform has the most users, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmr Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Since buying my Powerbook in February I've bought a fair bit of software for my Mac. I only used to buy games for my PC.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 i think the ratio % is prolly around the same....maybe a bit more for PC but not much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBlur Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Since buying my Powerbook in February I've bought a fair bit of software for my Mac. I only used to buy games for my PC.... And that proves what? You USED to be a thief, but switching to Mac changed you? Hmmmm... :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostspyder Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Whether or not something is a better value is a personal preference so let's try to stay on the topic of Warez :) haha i bet the mods will love that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBlur Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Whether or not something is a better value is a personal preference so let's try to stay on the topic of Warez :) Taken out of context, this is a rather amusing comment for the Neowin Mods... :whistle: [edit] gah, just noticed that was just said, hadn't looked at this page since I last posted until just now [/edit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphie Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 There was no need to respond to his "more bang for your buck" comment. I am sure that MaddDog uses a PC and is very happy with it. Whether or not something is a better value is a personal preference so let's try to stay on the topic of Warez :) I only responded b/c I hate ignorant people. I agree, he loves his PC and maybe it is best for him, but that doesn't mean he is right in his love or understanding of computers and how they work for other people. I just don't like blanket statements, and something had to be said about it so that maybe he would think a bit more in the futiure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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