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IS (Islamic State) is raping Yazidi women to death after killing their kids in front of them

http://www.smh.com.au/world/islamic-state-kills-500-yazidis-burying-some-alive-claims-human-rights-minister-20140811-102l71.html

 

US might mount a special forces mission to rescue Yazidis

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-11/us-weighs-options-to-evacuate-yazidis-from-iraqi-mountain/5663864

 

 

That expected US operation cant come soon enough.

 

I wish other powers in the region and wider world led a military coalition to protect yazidi, christians and Kurd minorities of Iraq from genocide.

 

Its also sad to see only US is lifting a finger to save yazidis. WTF are other powers doing?

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What do you expect from a bunch of savage barbarians? Civilised behaviour is the last thing you'll ever see from an Islamic extremist.

 

Ultimately, the blame for this rests on the US and their allies, for destabilising the entire region and ousting Saddam Hussein.  He might not have been an angel, but at least he kept the savages under control.

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What do you expect from a bunch of savage barbarians? Civilised behaviour is the last thing you'll ever see from an Islamic extremist.

 

Ultimately, the blame for this rests on the US and their allies, for destabilising the entire region and ousting Saddam Hussein.  He might not have been an angel, but at least he kept the savages under control.

 

ironically Yazidis felt the safest during US invasion. Americans protected them from militant Muslims and kurds

 

 
In an October 2006 article in The New RepublicLawrence F. Kaplan echoes Williams's sentiments about the enthusiasm of the Yazidis for the American occupation of Iraq, in part because the Americans protect them from oppression by militant Muslims and the nearby Kurds. Kaplan notes that the peace and calm of Sinjar is virtually unique in Iraq: "Parents and children line the streets when U.S. patrols pass by, while Yazidi clerics pray for the welfare of U.S. forces."[63]

 

 

 

 

as usual with islam vs non muslims,Muslims see them as infidel devil worshipers.

Thus, the Yazidi have been accused of devil worship. Because of this and due to their pre-Islamic beliefs, they have been oppressed by their Muslim neighbors. Treatment of Yazidis was exceptionally harsh during the rule of the Ottoman Empireduring the 18th and the first half of 19th century; Yazidis have suffered 72 massacres,[20] and their numbers dwindled under Ottoman rule both in Syria and Iraq. Massacres at the hand of Ottoman Turks and Muslim Kurdish princes almost wiped out their community in the 19th century.[49][50] Several punitive expeditions were organized against the Yazidis by the Turkishgovernors (W?li) of DiyarbakirMosul and Baghdad. These operations were legitimized by fat?wa from Islamic clerics.[51] The objective of these persecutions was the forced conversion of Yazidis to the Sunni Hanafi Islam of the Turkish Ottoman Empire.[52]

 

 

ISIS is just latest in the long history Islamic savages terrorizing them

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^Sure, but at least Saddam was keeping the buggers in-line.

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Its also sad to see only US is lifting a finger to save yazidis. WTF are other powers doing?

 

 

Incidentally, the US isn't the only power doing something.  The UK is rushing aid there as fast as we can.

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What do you expect from a bunch of savage barbarians? Civilised behaviour is the last thing you'll ever see from an Islamic extremist.

 

Ultimately, the blame for this rests on the US and their allies, for destabilising the entire region and ousting Saddam Hussein.  He might not have been an angel, but at least he kept the savages under control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

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That expected US operation cant come soon enough.

 

 

 

 WTF are other powers doing?

 

always, when its really critical and burning everywhere, you need to relate on the united states to fix problems and intervene. why? not only because they are the only remaining superpower in the world, but also because they honestly care about democracy and freedom . american exceptionalism is a fact and its no coincidence that everyone arround the world knows coca cola, microsoft and mcdonalds.

 

 

other powers? well putin is secretly enjoying obamas weakness and basically can afford to just wait and europe is well... being the good old europe.... lazy, weak, not really concerned about iran still hangig gays or whats happening in iraq or arround turkish borders. i still wonder why we did not fullfill our promise made in 1999 to turkey that they will be able to join the european union. the united states were heavily favoring and pressing this issue as well. now we have to face the consequences. one of the most secular states not accepted in europe (formerly), now turns to islam (i cant blame them!) and now the danger is everywhere, but at least conservative boneheads in germany and france can still be proud of the "christian" european union because thats all they ever wanted.

 

europeans are from venus, americans from mars. its just soooo true.

europe is like a guy with a big co** but lacking viagra! and if ever offered supply, they dont even confess their issue but continue to deny it.

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^Sure, but at least Saddam was keeping the buggers in-line.

 

this is not only a non-argument because also applies for stalin and hitler, but i would be so damn ashamed to live in a western democratic country and blasting arround such nonsense. get off ya high horse before its too late!!!

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this is not only a non-argument because also applies for stalin and hitler, but i would be so damn ashamed to live in a western democratic country and blasting arround such nonsense. get off ya high horse before its too late!!!

 

So are you attempting to say that the US and it's allies aren't directly responsible for destabilising the entire middle east, and thus the root cause behind pretty much ALL the problems going on there at the moment?

 

Saddam was no angel; he was a cruel despot who sooner or later would have been toppled. But at least during his reign the average Iraqi citizen could walk to the store, down a street not half demolished from 1000lb bombs and IED's, do their grocery shopping for the next few days, and actually get home again without some lunatic blowing them into a thousand chunks of smoking meat or chopping their heads off, or raping them to death, or burying them alive...

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So are you attempting to say that the US and it's allies aren't directly responsible for destabilising the entire middle east, and thus the root cause behind pretty much ALL the problems going on there at the moment?

 

Saddam was no angel; he was a cruel despot who sooner or later would have been toppled. But at least during his reign the average Iraqi citizen could walk to the store, down a street not half demolished from 1000lb bombs and IED's, do their grocery shopping for the next few days, and actually get home again without some lunatic blowing them into a thousand chunks of smoking meat or chopping their heads off, or raping them to death, or burying them alive...

 

where you get all this ######? sorry, but during saddam the average iraqi had to live in fear 24/7 365 days a year because saddam was the most unpredictable dictator ever. he had no religious or other rules whose he followed, instead he was just ruling by his daily mood. that made him so dangerous. he could leave you alone this day, and shoot you dead the next, just because he was in the mood to do so.

this now, brings me in the pervert situation to actually defend isis, because, at least, they have their rules. yeah these rules are disgusting and should have no place in modern world, but if you dont booze, smoke, if you probably grow a beard and learn what is written in their religious books, they then even collect money for you if you are poor.

 

not only saddam was well known for his unpredictability, but also his sons or half-sons or whatever they were. do people really forget that fast? these ###### used to have many women and used to walk arround pointing fingers to anyone and that meant immediate execution.

this was until 2003 when finally bush and cheney stopped saddam and did what bush 41 should already have done and clinton obviously was too lazy to. you cant just forget this.

 

i always said that if you have the ambitious plan to democratize such a country like iraq, you cant say you stay in 2 years then leave them alone again. it just wont work that fast. you should not even name a date when you are going to leave. we all know democrats pressed heavily on this, and we know robert gates then sec of defense gave it to them in exchange of a surge.

saying that invate iraq is the reason for the mess it is in now is way too simple and honestly a lame excuse.

 

facts: removing hussein was not only good but neccessary. by now he would try to get nuclear weapons. we know old europe is only interested in trade and only preaching human rights, while the reality is, they only want to be a christian-catholic union without turkey and they close their eyes from what happens in iran and iraq.

germany now even has no idea should they just assist a bit, should they send weapons others say they should support air strikes.

in a crisis you need to act fast. obama is too european. he is a slow actor, his only concept seems to be "do no harm" and "leading from behind" is not a motto any us president should ever subscribe to.

its not like other would not take the lead if us pulls out of everywhere. russia is just waiting for this to happen and china would be happy to. you really think any of those countries is just a tad better? with their record on democracy?

 

the mess iraq is in now is because obama fullfilled his populistic election promise to pull out. he toured arround the world saying sorry to everyone in the name of the united states. he has no agenda and probably cant spell the word leadership. his place is the golf course! ironically the location, where you usually only find old white rich businessman. you know, the group he so openly despises.

 

this is not fox news, this is not republican propaganda, this is hillary clinton herself, saying obama is doing way too little for a nation like the us. the only good thing is, with obama being obama it just shows that bush and cheney for all their flaws were right on iraq and as soon as us started to pull out, the chaos occurs. thats just because no one else can lead nor should lead.

 

so either there will be another iraq war, then us troops staying in without naming any date for how long, or they go home again, and it will be another chaos.

 

if obama wants to have it easy and lead from behind he should next time instead of running for potus just run for some little african tribalistic tent-village, where the workload would suit more his knowledge and passive approach.

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^ Keep smoking the propaganda, fella.

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I didn't see the same outrage when Sunnis and Shiites were massacring each other. Few had even heard of the Yazidi until recently, yet now the US is intervening to help them - never mind the tens of thousands of others that have been killed.

 

The region is a mess because of US intervention and I have ZERO confidence that any US intervention now will improve things. The US needs to stop interfering in the Middle East.

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I didn't see the same outrage when Sunnis and Shiites were massacring each other. Few had even heard of the Yazidi until recently, yet now the US is intervening to help them - never mind the tens of thousands of others that have been killed.

 

The region is a mess because of US intervention and I have ZERO confidence that any US intervention now will improve things. The US needs to stop interfering in the Middle East.

 

That'll be because no one (governments) cares when it's muslims killing muslims... Just when they start killing other groups.

 

It's pathetic, really.

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I didn't see the same outrage when Sunnis and Shiites were massacring each other. Few had even heard of the Yazidi until recently, yet now the US is intervening to help them - never mind the tens of thousands of others that have been killed.

 

The region is a mess because of US intervention and I have ZERO confidence that any US intervention now will improve things. The US needs to stop interfering in the Middle East.

shia and sunnis have been at each others throats sunnis killed "prophet"'s successor long before America was even formed. blaming America is a cop out

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shia and sunnis have been at each others throats sunnis killed "prophet" long before America was even formed

 

I think you're missing his point...

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That'll be because no one (governments) cares when it's muslims killing muslims... Just when they start killing other groups.

 

It's pathetic, really.

Shia, Sunni fighting was fuelled by governments took sides. Sunnis were supported by Turkey, Saudi and Qatar , while Shia were supported by Iran, Hezbollah and Russia(in Syria).

 

America, if anything stayed out, even when chemical weapons were used.

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Shia, Sunni fighting was fuelled by governments took sides. Sunnis were supported by Turkey, Saudi and Qatar , while Shia were supported by Iran, Hezbollah and Russia(in Syria).

 

America, if anything stayed out, even when chemical weapons were used.

 

Which is exactly the point.  When it's muslim against muslim, the US doesn't care.  When it's muslim against other groups, suddenly it's an international disaster and genocide.

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Back in 2003 the Iraqi Kurds supported the US and an alliance formed. We are honoring it. Deal with it.

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Which is exactly the point.  When it's muslim against muslim, the US doesn't care.  When it's muslim against other groups, suddenly it's an international disaster and genocide.

 

not sure what your point is. Muslims were saved in Kuwait, Kosovo.  In this case, Yazidis were facing extermination at the hands of ISIS if that isnt a disaster and genocide - i dont know what is

 

As far as lack of American intervention in Shia vs Sunni - There is no American military solution for sectarian issues that have gone on for centuries. (to paraphrase Obama).

 

maybe , just maybe, Muslim leadership should take some of responsibility here instead of looking at America to save their ass.  maybe the Saudi King and Iran's Khomeni can have a chat :/.

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not sure what your point is. Muslims were saved in Kuwait, Kosovo.  In this case, Yazidis were facing extermination at the hands of ISIS if that isnt a disaster and genocide - i dont know what is

 

As far as lack of American intervention in Shia vs Sunni - There is no American military solution for sectarian issues that have gone on for centuries. (to paraphrase Obama).

 

maybe , just maybe, Muslim leadership should take some of responsibility here instead of looking at America to save their ass.  maybe the Saudi King and Iran's Khomeni can have a chat :/.

 

They've been persecuting the Yazidi's for centuries, too...

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All the more reason to protect them.

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All the more reason to protect them.

 

The point is, where were they in April, when 1000's of Iraqi's muslims had to flee their homes from the invading ISIS terrorists, in EXACTLY the same situation as the Yazidi's are now in?

 

Where were the UN and their announcements of a state of emergency? Where were the western nations and their supply drops? Where were the discussions of arming the Iraqi's to defend themselves?

 

Why is it only now, when a small minority group are in danger, that the world pulls its collective finger out of its backside and starts to help?

 

Also, let's not forget, these ISIS people, or IS, or ISIL, or whatever the hell they're calling themselves this week, are the among the same buggers that are attacking Assad in Syria. The very same people the US wanted to arm.

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shia and sunnis have been at each others throats sunnis killed "prophet"'s successor long before America was even formed. blaming America is a cop out

Well, I am a 'sunni Muslim' from my lineage, from what I have been told by many around me is that shia's brought Ali (PBUH) to Kufan to protect him, then they coward off and let a sunni from Yazid's army kill him, both sunnis and shia's were against Yazid at one point in time. One of the reason shia beat themselves every year.

 

The differences between shia's and sunnis has been rooted in by KSA and Iran to serve their political purpose, nothing else.

 

Back in 2003 the Iraqi Kurds supported the US and an alliance formed. We are honoring it. Deal with it.

Going to to Iraq was a stupid move, but now it is the responsibility of the US to protect their allies. Sadly US history teaches a different story, after stopping the Russian invasion of Afghanistan they left us with taliban, which the US loved, promoted, and invested in, at that time, to us. One can see the mess that it created since then.

 

The same is happening with Iraq, the US is only protecting a few cities within Iraq from ISIS rather than going in full force and eliminating them altogether. The genocide against Yazidis, or any religious/political group should be condemned, those people need to be saved, but so do the Christians that are not 'close' to the cities where the US allies live, ISIS is killing Christians as well. In my opinion, the only reason why the US will allow ISIS to roam free in most of the Iraq is that they want the instability.

 

For the person who said that Iraq was a scary place to live during Saddam's time, must go and inquire the same from the people that lived their. I have friends over their, my family did business with Iraqi's, it was a few thousand times better than what it is now... Actually it was about the same as Pakistan is today. Politicians, their sons, their relatives, anyone with power and money, thinks they are above the law and common people here in Pakistan, same was the case in Iraq then, there were threats, but people as a whole were living in peace. Heck, Afghanistan was a little better before the US came, I remember going to Kandahar on a business trip with my cousin, it was a deal of a container of Carbon Black, and people were out and about, the most amusing thing was that the money changers left thousands of dollars in their open shops and went to pray, and no one touched their money. Though Kandahar is far more developed now, then it was then.

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