Microsoft's Security Essentials Fails Latest Antivirus Test


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Been using Avast since 2006 here, performance wise best for our house hold PC's, along with Malwarebytes Free, Overall it works well, surely it might miss an infection on family members computers off and on, but overall the experience has been pleasant, I did test MSE for a few years from 2009-2012, when I switched to Windows 8.0 Pro 64bit, is when I went back to Avast full time on this PC. 

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This is an admin dashboard for 1 group of people I monitor - I can push commands to their system, remote reboots, remote scans, etc.

Most of the time I just take a look to see if anyone is flagged.

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Dorkface is your brother ?

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Dorkface is your brother ?

Actually its my lawyer's daughter.  I re-imaged her laptop, and when I asked her what she wanted to call her computer, she said "anything but dorkface."  (she is 12)

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This is an admin dashboard for 1 group of people I monitor - I can push commands to their system, remote reboots, remote scans, etc.

Most of the time I just take a look to see if anyone is flagged.

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Are you using an Endpoint Protection type of setup? Their tools look really appealing, coming from someone using Symantec Endpoint Protection Manager. I'd have to see what the license cost difference is too.

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Are you using an Endpoint Protection type of setup? Their tools look really appealing, coming from someone using Symantec Endpoint Protection Manager. I'd have to see what the license cost difference is too.

For these people it is the standard retail, end-user version.

I know for the people who had multiple computers, I would email them an amazon link or coupon for a 3pk license for $19 for 1 yr.

The endpoint/enterprise pricing depends on the volume purchased

The reason I have access to their licenses/computers is simply because I enter their license into my dashboard, then push the install to their computer.

This GUI is similar to the business stuff, but you can do much more -

 

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Yet another thread with people suggesting who have no business suggesting....

... it can be something as innocent as typing a URL wrong & getting hit with a SQL injection...

 

I find it hard to take anybody seriously when they think they know better yet really show how little they know.

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Slightly off topic, does Avast work with Windows 10 January TP? 
I had Avast Internet Security but it never seemed to work with previous releases so if anyone is running it, i'd be grateful if someone can let me know if there are any problems.

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I find it hard to take anybody seriously when they think they know better yet really show how little they know.

 

he might have meant getting to a site that's been hit with SQL injection... but even that don't make to much sense as it itself won't do any damage and even the original "safe" site could have been hit with an SQL injection.

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Hahaha. I love the "I use XYZ therefore you are all wrong" or "I know what I'm doing so you should not comment or suggest"

 

These kind of threads are great for their comedic value.

 

Never take advice from someone on a forum, no matter how hard they try to justify their credentials. 1, 2, 100, 100,000 PCs administered doesn't make you or your solution correct.

 

Then again it doesn't make you wrong either, may as well say "Buy a MAC"  :woot:

 

I would imagine it's more the database than the program.

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I would imagine it's more the database than the program.

 

Database has the definitions,

 

but the program is what decides performance, also quality of heurestics which is the only real way to detect true 0 days, a bad heurestics won't detect them and/or can take a lot of resources and cause a lot of false positives.

 

definition files are often not as important as most update them about the same speed with the same stuff, the difference is that some program keeps a lot of outdated viruses and definitions in their database, stuff that isn't a danger anymore because the vulnerabilities they use are fixed and it's not in the wild anymore, this causes again scans both full scans and real time to get slow and use a lot of rsources.

 

 

so no, the program is in many ways the most important, but both can cause your computer to be slow. . 

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Then again it doesn't make you wrong either, may as well say "Buy a MAC"  :woot:

 

I would imagine it's more the database than the program.

 

and they write MAC in all caps

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I'm a bit skeptical of 360 total security. They have no paid product and yet its completely free. On top of that, it uses not one, but two reputable AV engines. Are these engines licensed? If so, how do they cover the cost if they don't make money? Are there ads in the GUI?

 

It all sounds too good to be true....

 

From their site:

 

Qihoo 360, with its large customer base, derives its income from advertisements and other value added services.

 

 

What are these "value added services"? If its got ads in the GUI, ta hell with it as far as I'm concerned.

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I'm a bit skeptical of 360 total security. They have no paid product and yet its completely free. On top of that, it uses not one, but two reputable AV engines. Are these engines licensed? If so, how do they cover the cost if they don't make money? Are there ads in the GUI?

 

It all sounds too good to be true....

 

From their site:

 

 

What are these "value added services"? If its got ads in the GUI, ta hell with it as far as I'm concerned.

 

Qihoo 360's main revenue sources include advertising space on 360 Startup Page, as well as revenue sharing with independent games developers which have published their games on the 360 Mobile Assistant. The revenue breakdown in 2012 was split between the revenue streams as follows: 67% from advertising, 31% from internet value added services and less than 1% from selling third party software. The revenues increased by 96.0% from $167.9 million in 2011 to $329.0 million in 2012. As of January 2014, the market cap is $11.42B.[5].

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Apparently the company who makes 360 products is an advertiser in china who is worth millions. So they can afford to give this away for free.

Fair enough. I'll let you guys continue to beta test this for a few months before I give it a shot. Has anyone examined this to make sure its not doing anything shady?

 

Hows Sandboxie these days since it was bought?

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Giving 360 Total Security a try, thanks for the recommendation. Will try to come back to see how it works out.

 

Okay, wait... so Total Security just has "speed boosters" so to speak, coupled with everything that's in Internet Security?

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Giving 360 Total Security a try, thanks for the recommendation. Will try to come back to see how it works out.

 

Okay, wait... so Total Security just has "speed boosters" so to speak, coupled with everything that's in Internet Security?

 

As far as I can tell 360 Total security gives you both Bitdefender and Avira Engines. 360 Internet Security only gives you bitdefender.

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But I have been using Windows defender since it came and haven't had any virus since then. I use it solely with out any third party anti-virus software.

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Database has the definitions,

 

but the program is what decides performance, also quality of heurestics which is the only real way to detect true 0 days, a bad heurestics won't detect them and/or can take a lot of resources and cause a lot of false positives.

 

definition files are often not as important as most update them about the same speed with the same stuff, the difference is that some program keeps a lot of outdated viruses and definitions in their database, stuff that isn't a danger anymore because the vulnerabilities they use are fixed and it's not in the wild anymore, this causes again scans both full scans and real time to get slow and use a lot of rsources.

 

 

so no, the program is in many ways the most important, but both can cause your computer to be slow. . 

Ah I see, thanks for the explanation.

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Sandboxie, if I'm ever on Windows in a non-virtualized environment. Worth every penny for the lifetime key.

What are you doing that you can't run Windows unless it's in a VM or using Sandboxie?

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What are you doing that you can't run Windows unless it's in a VM or using Sandboxie?

 

I do exactly the same thing. I sandbox ALL of my internet Activity with Sandboxie. Not for the reasons I can think of, but for the ones I can't.

 

It's very easy for someone to get unexpectedly hit via a vulnerability on a completely legit website. In the case of running sandbox it only infects the sandbox not the system.

 

I really wish people would stop implying that to get hit on the internet you have to be going to bad websites. Remember the malicious advertiser that was showing up on a bunch of legit websites including yahoo and infecting 3 million people per day?

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I do exactly the same thing. I sandbox ALL of my internet Activity with Sandboxie. Not for the reasons I can think of, but for the ones I can't.

 

It's very easy for someone to get unexpectedly hit via a vulnerability on a completely legit website. In the case of running sandbox it only infects the sandbox not the system.

 

I really wish people would stop implying that to get hit on the internet you have to be going to bad websites. Remember the malicious advertiser that was showing up on a bunch of legit websites including yahoo and infecting 3 million people per day?

I didn't say anything about going to "bad" websites... I thought maybe you liked running files named jenmccarthynude.exe all day or something. I have been using Windows since like version 3.1 and really have never been infected by a virus and I have been known to visit porn sites on occasion. Really, running Windows in a VM or using Sandboxie is total overkill to just browse the Internet. Some decent AV software, Firefox (or Chrome) with Adblock Plus, and some common sense is all you need.

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I find it hard to take anybody seriously when they think they know better yet really show how little they know.

Oh ?   Sorry I didnt spell everything out - considering this is a tech forum, I was giving the audience a little credit to connect the dots on what I was saying.

Obviously, it was too much for some....

You are free to tell me how I am wrong, or dont know what Im talking about, or are you just going to make comments on semantics of my wording ?

 

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Hahaha. I love the "I use XYZ therefore you are all wrong" or "I know what I'm doing so you should not comment or suggest"

 

These kind of threads are great for their comedic value.

 

Never take advice from someone on a forum, no matter how hard they try to justify their credentials. 1, 2, 100, 100,000 PCs administered doesn't make you or your solution correct.

 

Then again it doesn't make you wrong either, may as well say "Buy a MAC"  :woot:

 

I would imagine it's more the database than the program.

 

One of the things the program determines is the footprint on resources; and since webroot is cloud-based, its resource impact is almost nil.

And if you cant take advice from people on a tech website, where would one go to get their info on stuff ?  Articles cant always be trusted as many times they are done for a particular vendor.  Or all of those fake antivirus review websites that dominate a google search for "best website 2014" or similar (which is probably the 1st thing non-techies will do) and then the end-user looking for the best option gets all the wrong info.

How many times a few years ago did articles and so-called "experts" tout the greatness of MSE ?  Its always sucked - but time and time again you would see reviews from well known sites talk about how its good.

Admittedly I know very little, but I know the real world results of what I have been involved with, and it speaks volumes.

And it is so annoying when someone says "oh its great, I have it and dont have a virus !"  its the same person who recommends Acer or HP computers, because "they have one and hasn't had problems"

 

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