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sinetheo

I downloaded the now free community edition of Visual Studio 2013 and I am disappointed so far. I got web essentials but other than that it is no Web Expressions 4 :-(

 

Web Expressions 4 is now 5 years out of date with no HTML 5 support.

 

I can't connect easily to a IIS VM I created and it seems to be geared toward ASP.net for code already designed by another program like Web expressions or dreamweaver.

 

Does VS 2013 support .php or have 1/5 of the features of Dreamweaver or Web Expressions? Or am I a n00b who is missing something?

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SharpGreen

I downloaded the now free community edition of Visual Studio 2013 and I am disappointed so far. I got web essentials but other than that it is no Web Expressions 4 :-(

 

Web Expressions 4 is now 5 years out of date with no HTML 5 support.

 

I can't connect easily to a IIS VM I created and it seems to be geared toward ASP.net for code already designed by another program like Web expressions or dreamweaver.

 

Does VS 2013 support .php or have 1/5 of the features of Dreamweaver or Web Expressions? Or am I a n00b who is missing something?

VS is pretty much exclusively ASP.NET. So no it doesn't support PHP or really anything else.

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proit

Personally:

Firefox + Firebug + Notepad++ is the best web development combination you can do.

If you perfer not to go down that route, Dreamweaver is lightyears ahead of anything else.

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MikeChipshop

If you're looking for a new IDE but don't want to fork out for Dreamweaver, then you have plenty of good choices out there.

Give NetBeans or Sublime text a go.

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proit

Give NetBeans or Sublime text a go.

I also enjoy Sublime Text a lot.
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ACTIONpack

I use Dreamweaver. It for the coding layout and there ftp built in. What I don't like about it is that Dreamweaver does not work well with WordPress that php files are not seen as part of wordpress.

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neo158

Actually Expression Web 4, I assume that's what the OP means by "Web Expressions 4", does support HTML5 in the DOCTYPE and Secondary Schema Options.

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adrynalyne

I downloaded the now free community edition of Visual Studio 2013 and I am disappointed so far. I got web essentials but other than that it is no Web Expressions 4 :-(

 

Web Expressions 4 is now 5 years out of date with no HTML 5 support.

 

I can't connect easily to a IIS VM I created and it seems to be geared toward ASP.net for code already designed by another program like Web expressions or dreamweaver.

 

Does VS 2013 support .php or have 1/5 of the features of Dreamweaver or Web Expressions? Or am I a n00b who is missing something?

A n00b perhaps, but only because you want to use non-MS technologies in a Microsoft IDE.  Visual Studio is not even in the same realm as Dreamweaver.  Wrong tool for the job, my friend.

 

I cannot stand Dreamweaver or Expressison at any rate.

 

I recommend you use Sublime Text.

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adrynalyne

Personally:

Firefox + Firebug + Notepad++ is the best web development combination you can do.

If you perfer not to go down that route, Dreamweaver is lightyears ahead of anything else.

Chrome + Developer Tools + Sublime Text myself. 

 

Sometimes Webstorm.  Visual Studio for all web service development.

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Ambroos

At work everyone either uses Sublime Text or PhpStorm (WebStorm works too). And one guy uses vim.

 

Whatever you use, just stick with it. After a while you start discovering the settings and plugins, and in a few weeks you'll have everything set up how you like it.

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proit

Chrome + Developer Tools + Sublime Text myself.

Is there something Developer Tools does that Firebug can't?
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Ambroos

Is there something Developer Tools does that Firebug can't?

They're very similar, it's just a preference for most people. I always use the Chrome ones because they have better support for the Javascript frameworks I use, but Firefox has better ES6 support etc. I'd use Firefox's built-in stuff over Firebug though.

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adrynalyne

Is there something Developer Tools does that Firebug can't?

I tried Firebug and hated how things were presented.  I like Chrome's layout better and Firebug offers nothing to me not available in Chrome, as far as I know anyway.  So mostly preference.

They're very similar, it's just a preference for most people. I always use the Chrome ones because they have better support for the Javascript frameworks I use, but Firefox has better ES6 support etc. I'd use Firefox's built-in stuff over Firebug though.

Yeah, I'll use Firefox's built in tools over Firebug too.

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sinetheo

I also enjoy Sublime Text a lot.

Sublime looks like just an editor.

I found this link

http://www.oio.de/public/opensource/comparison-IDE-for-HTML5-CSS3-JavaScript-shootout.htm

Everyone agreed phpstorm or webstorm is the best but not free anymore. Since I do not get paid yet for my project I do not see a return on investment to justify the expense.

Was considering aptana but will look into netbeans again and see if visual studio 2013 community edition offers anything if I create an empty website and add webessentials plug in plus only use ftp.

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adrynalyne

Sublime looks like just an editor.

I found this link

http://www.oio.de/public/opensource/comparison-IDE-for-HTML5-CSS3-JavaScript-shootout.htm

Everyone agreed phpstorm or webstorm is the best but not free anymore. Since I do not get paid yet for my project I do not see a return on investment to justify the expense.

Was considering aptana but will look into netbeans again and see if visual studio 2013 community edition offers anything if I create an empty website and add webessentials plug in plus only use ftp.

For what sounds like you are doing, all you need is an editor.  Do you really need something to hold your hand and do it for you?

 

If you require a visual aide, try brackets.

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adrynalyne

VS is pretty much exclusively ASP.NET. So no it doesn't support PHP or really anything else.

Sure it does.

 

Outside of ASP.NET:

 

Typescript

Javascript

HTML

CSS

Node

 

 

Ive probably missed some.  i only included web related technologies of course.

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ITOps

If you are looking for a fully fledged IDE for PHP, I recommend looking into using for Zend Studio along with using Zend Server for development which is built for PHP by the company behind PHP, who are core contributors to the foundation of PHP. 

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SharpGreen

Sure it does.

 

Outside of ASP.NET:

 

Typescript

Javascript

HTML

CSS

Node

 

 

Ive probably missed some.  i only included web related technologies of course.

Most of which are in support of ASP.NET :p Though I guess you could use that support for standalone stuff as well.

 

I also forget they added Node.JS support in the 2015 preview builds.

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adrynalyne

Most of which are in support of ASP.NET :p Though I guess you could use that support for standalone stuff as well.

 

I also forget they added Node.JS support in the 2015 preview builds.

You can have Node support in 2013 as well. :)

 

http://nodejstools.codeplex.com/

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Haha. I use Notepad++, and Dreamweaver.

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Xtremrules

VS is pretty much exclusively ASP.NET. So no it doesn't support PHP or really anything else.

VS community 2013 supports both Php and phyton but through a plugin
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VS community 2013 supports both Php and phyton but through a plugin

Ohhh! I'm excited! I like Python, and knowing that it's supported through a plugin, is awesome!

Though, I have Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate. Does that still work with it?

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Mulrian

Ohhh! I'm excited! I like Python, and knowing that it's supported through a plugin, is awesome!

Though, I have Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate. Does that still work with it?

 

Yeah you'll be fine. You just need to install the Python developer tools.

 

https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/python-vs.aspx

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anthony_may

Personally:

Firefox + Firebug + Notepad++ is the best web development combination you can do.

If you perfer not to go down that route, Dreamweaver is lightyears ahead of anything else.

+1 Totally agreed.

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tompkin

+1 Totally agreed.

What version of Dreamweaver??

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I downloaded the now free community edition of Visual Studio 2013 and I am disappointed so far. I got web essentials but other than that it is no Web Expressions 4 :-(

 

Web Expressions 4 is now 5 years out of date with no HTML 5 support.

 

I can't connect easily to a IIS VM I created and it seems to be geared toward ASP.net for code already designed by another program like Web expressions or dreamweaver.

 

Does VS 2013 support .php or have 1/5 of the features of Dreamweaver or Web Expressions? Or am I a n00b who is missing something?

WebMatrix 3 + Helicon Zoo = complete coding stack in one IDE

WebMatrix even has database CRUD capabilities

 

yes, it is a tool for beginners,

but hey! if it makes your job easy then why the heck not! :)

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