Democrats Plan To Win Elections With Illegal Alien Votes


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Slugsie

As opposed to the Republicans who plan to win by making sure as many people as possible (mostly from demographics who would tend to vote Democrat) can't vote by introducing various voter ID laws.

 

American politics, utterly corrupt, no matter what side you're on.

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Joe User

What in the world are some of you talking about? This was/is a real news story that involved testimony to congress. It was carried by news site in the link.

I do jot care how you "feel" about the issue but this should be moved back. This is not fair at all.

 

It's an editorial, by definition it's an opinion piece.

 

Also, you copied the entire article. That's not fair use, it's outright duplication. Did you get permission to republish this article?

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As opposed to the Republicans who plan to win by making sure as many people as possible (mostly from demographics who would tend to vote Democrat) can't vote by introducing various voter ID laws.

 

 

That isn't true at all, just blind talking points with nothing to back them up with.

 

Case in point: in all my years, I don't know a single soul who doesn't have a government ID.  We already have to present ID plenty of times in our lives.  Proving that we are eligible to vote isn't an invasion or suppression at all.  In fact the only people that I can think of who wouldn't have an ID would be illegals.  So really, the disenfranchisement argument is complete and utter b.s.  No one is "suppressed" by voter ID at all.  I know the liberal media loves to feed you these lies, but try thinking it through a little!

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Defcon

I'll never understand how 'socialism' became such a bad word in this country. Are people so idiotic and brainwashed here?

 

We pay just as much tax as Europeans and in return get nothing. Most Americans believe the Republican progpoganda that poor people have only themselves to blame, so we're quite happy to give our money to the ultra rich while every single basic service is cut, we have no money to spend on healthcare, education, food, transport, but have trillions for illegal wars and tax cuts for wealthy banls, because, you know, that 'creates jobs', never midn the fact that every single study and metric disproves that. Meanwhile, families and children go homeless and hungry and most of us sit in our homes and laugh because giving money to the needy is socialism, which is eviiiiil.

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Fresh

As opposed to the Republicans who plan to win by making sure as many people as possible (mostly from demographics who would tend to vote Democrat) can't vote by introducing various voter ID laws.

 

American politics, utterly corrupt, no matter what side you're on.

Gerrymandering should not be tolerated by either party.  The left is gone, no saving.  I was a democrat, a blue dog or a conservative democrat....the democrats are far left now have been for a long time.  Current leadership of the republicans are left center....conservatives are right of middle. However the left along with the mainstream media have convinced the masses that if you are against, oh I don't know say same sex marriage,  then you are a far right nut job. Voter fraud should be a bipartisan objective, so one has to wonder about people rationalizing and justifying why we should not protect one of our most basic of rights.

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Fresh

I'll never understand how 'socialism' became such a bad word in this country. Are people so idiotic and brainwashed here?

 

We pay just as much tax as Europeans and in return get nothing. Most Americans believe the Republican progpoganda that poor people have only themselves to blame, so we're quite happy to give our money to the ultra rich while every single basic service is cut, we have no money to spend on healthcare, education, food, transport, but have trillions for illegal wars and tax cuts for wealthy banls, because, you know, that 'creates jobs', never midn the fact that every single study and metric disproves that. Meanwhile, families and children go homeless and hungry and most of us sit in our homes and laugh because giving money to the needy is socialism, which is eviiiiil.

Well at least you are honest. Intellectual honesty is rare, most on the left will not even admit that they are socialists.  To bad you really do not understand what you said.  Capitalism has brought more homeless and hungry out of the trenches than any other form. How do you spell freedom? Communism, socialism, Marxism, or Capitalism?  Brainwashed? Really? You believe in Utopia.

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Gerrymandering should not be tolerated by either party.  The left is gone, no saving.  I was a democrat, a blue dog or a conservative democrat....the democrats are far left now have been for a long time.  Current leadership of the republicans are left center....conservatives are right of middle. However the left along with the mainstream media have convinced the masses that if you are against, oh I don't know say same sex marriage,  then you are a far right nut job. Voter fraud should be a bipartisan objective, so one has to wonder about people rationalizing and justifying why we should not protect one of our most basic of rights.

 

If we follow this new standard, Reagan is more to the left than Bill Clinton. 

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Fresh

That isn't true at all, just blind talking points with nothing to back them up with.

 

Case in point: in all my years, I don't know a single soul who doesn't have a government ID.  We already have to present ID plenty of times in our lives.  Proving that we are eligible to vote isn't an invasion or suppression at all.  In fact the only people that I can think of who wouldn't have an ID would be illegals.  So really, the disenfranchisement argument is complete and utter b.s.  No one is "suppressed" by voter ID at all.  I know the liberal media loves to feed you these lies, but try thinking it through a little!

 

No it is just a conspiracy!  we have to show an ID to do anything, why?  Honesty.  They know this, why this story is news.  Why would you be against voter fraud....no evidence....oh come on.  Really?  Sad!

If we follow this new standard, Reagan is more to the left than Bill Clinton. 

 

Curios to where you think he falls?  Far Right? new Standard, Bill Clinton started fart left, but became more like Reagan in the last four years.  Why? Do you know?

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No it is just a conspiracy!  we have to show an ID to do anything, why?  Honesty.  They know this, why this story is news.  Why would you be against voter fraud....no evidence....oh come on.  Really?  Sad!

 

Curios to where you think he falls?  Far Right? new Standard, Bill Clinton started fart left, but became more like Reagan in the last four years.  Why? Do you know?

 

Reagan was a moderate conservative. He's slightly to the right of Obama who is a centerist with conservative leanings. Clinton is a moderate progressive. Bush (I) is more conservative than Reagan. Bush (II) more to the center than Reagan. 

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Reagan was a moderate conservative. He's slightly to the right of Obama who is a centerist with conservative leanings. Clinton is a moderate progressive. Bush (I) is more conservative than Reagan. Bush (II) more to the center than Reagan. 

 

Ok, that is not my take at all!  Only reason Bill Clinton moved to the center is because the republicans controlled the house and senate for the first time in 40 years.  The left had to much power to far to long, you know what they say happens with power right?  A real conservative republican took the presidency.  The bushes are to the left of Reagan. Slightly to the left of Obama, so by your STANDARD Jimmy Carter was to the right of Obama? I mean come on, most historians put Carter as the most left....well ....until maybe now.

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Ok, that is not my take at all!  Only reason Bill Clinton moved to the center is because the republicans controlled the house and senate for the first time in 40 years.  The left had to much power to far to long, you know what they say happens with power right?  A real conservative republican took the presidency.  The bushes are to the left of Reagan. Slightly to the left of Obama, so by your STANDARD Jimmy Carter was to the right of Obama? I mean come on, most historians put Carter as the most left....well ....until maybe now.

 

Carter was progressive. Nothing I said before mentioned Carter.

 

From Conservative to Progressive.

 

Bush (I), Reagan, Bush (II), Obama, Clinton, Carter.

 

There was a good reason for a 40 year drought, The Republicans learned that you shouldn't elect a crook like Nixon.

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hagjohn

If you can't be bothered to get an ID, you probably have no clue about the people you're voting for either. Not a responsible voter.

 

Yeah, the "informed" voter has done such a great job so far. Congress has what single digit voter approval? But somehow the same old people are voted back in time after time.

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The_Observer

Have watched House of Cards, Corporations are who really control the govt!

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rafter109

If the illegals become legal, voter ID laws would have no impact against the new voters than it would to every other voter.

 

Voter ID laws also have done more to hurt legitimate voters than to ease voter fraud.

 

Specific matter.

 

Illegals should not get fast tracked to citizenship. While I understand that most illegals come to this country seeking opportunity and a better life than they had and are typically productive members of society, they broke the law and should not be rewarded for doing so. It sets a dangerous precedent to reinforce bad behavior. Not saying that similar bad precedents haven't been set in the past, and that our immigration system isn't broken but to make a point, bad behavior should not be rewarded.

 

Please explain how asking a legal resident to show ID when voting to prove their legal residency is harmful to voters? No one has ever been able to prove voter suppression or any other negative impact caused by requiring ID. Considering all banks, check cashing services, utilities, etc. all require ID to start up accounts or do business there and the elderly, disabled and minorities seem to be able to handle that just fine. 

 

Hate to say it but I do not believe that flooding the country with illegals to win elections is a conspiracy. This is a part of a well orchestrated plan by the Democrat machine to dilute the vote. Illegals come in, get free services, get tax refunds for taxes they haven't paid using stolen SSNs, get assistance from the various other big government programs and you have yourself a new registered Democrat. Why would they vote for the party that is trying to protect the interest of legal citizens?

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Torolol

well, some leftist believe fast tracking illegals into legal ones are something good for them.

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Illegals should not get fast tracked to citizenship. While I understand that most illegals come to this country seeking opportunity and a better life than they had and are typically productive members of society, they broke the law and should not be rewarded for doing so. It sets a dangerous precedent to reinforce bad behavior. Not saying that similar bad precedents haven't been set in the past, and that our immigration system isn't broken but to make a point, bad behavior should not be rewarded.

 

Please explain how asking a legal resident to show ID when voting to prove their legal residency is harmful to voters? No one has ever been able to prove voter suppression or any other negative impact caused by requiring ID. Considering all banks, check cashing services, utilities, etc. all require ID to start up accounts or do business there and the elderly, disabled and minorities seem to be able to handle that just fine. 

 

Hate to say it but I do not believe that flooding the country with illegals to win elections is a conspiracy. This is a part of a well orchestrated plan by the Democrat machine to dilute the vote. Illegals come in, get free services, get tax refunds for taxes they haven't paid using stolen SSNs, get assistance from the various other big government programs and you have yourself a new registered Democrat. Why would they vote for the party that is trying to protect the interest of legal citizens?

13 years or so years for people with a clean history, strong work ethic, and meet other critia, doesn't seem that fast to me, nor should it effect any current/near votes.

 

There are ways to live without IDs, which until these laws were passed, included having a voice in elections. It's so easy to throw away the votes of millions to remove stastically irrelevant amounts of voter fraud.

 

Who gets free services? This is basically a different process which is slightly more lieniant version of becoming a citizen.

 

If the bill had become law, undocumented aliens would have had to jump through all sorts of hoops before they could be considered for legal permanent residence, including registering with the government, having a steady job, paying a fine, paying back taxes, passing background checks, learning English
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That isn't true at all, just blind talking points with nothing to back them up with.

 

Case in point: in all my years, I don't know a single soul who doesn't have a government ID.  We already have to present ID plenty of times in our lives.

So? I don't know anyone who has been to prison but that doesn't mean criminals don't exist.

 

Proving that we are eligible to vote isn't an invasion or suppression at all.

It is when voter fraud is statistically irrelevant and legitimate voters are prevented from voting on a massive level. As I said, if the GOP really cares about voter fraud it would support free government ID for those affected. The reality is that it doesn't and it is an audacious attempt to suppress the Democratic vote.

 

Gerrymandering should not be tolerated by either party.  The left is gone, no saving.  I was a democrat, a blue dog or a conservative democrat....the democrats are far left now have been for a long time.  Current leadership of the republicans are left center.

The Democrats are more right-wing than any time in modern history. To claim that the Republican leadership is left of centre is ridiculous and utterly disconnected from reality.

 

Voter fraud should be a bipartisan objective, so one has to wonder about people rationalizing and justifying why we should not protect one of our most basic of rights.

Exactly. Which is why Voter ID is so outrageous, as it doesn't protect the system but proactively undermines it. Gerrymandering is a legitimate issue, which is why districts shouldn't be determined by political parties but by independent bodies based on strict criteria. However, it's wrong to suggest that both parties are equally to blame when the evidence demonstrates the GOP is far more egregious in its gerrymandering.

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Fresh

Carter was progressive. Nothing I said before mentioned Carter.

 

From Conservative to Progressive.

 

Bush (I), Reagan, Bush (II), Obama, Clinton, Carter.

 

There was a good reason for a 40 year drought, The Republicans learned that you shouldn't elect a crook like Nixon.

 

 

So? I don't know anyone who has been to prison but that doesn't mean criminals don't exist.

 

 

It is when voter fraud is statistically irrelevant and legitimate voters are prevented from voting on a massive level. As I said, if the GOP really cares about voter fraud it would support free government ID for those affected. The reality is that it doesn't and it is an audacious attempt to suppress the Democratic vote.

 

 

The Democrats are more right-wing than any time in modern history. To claim that the Republican leadership is left of centre is ridiculous and utterly disconnected from reality.

 

 

Exactly. Which is why Voter ID is so outrageous, as it doesn't protect the system but proactively undermines it. Gerrymandering is a legitimate issue, which is why districts shouldn't be determined by political parties but by independent bodies based on strict criteria. However, it's wrong to suggest that both parties are equally to blame when the evidence demonstrates the GOP is far more egregious in its gerrymandering.

 

Quick question for you both.

 

Bernie Sanders is he left, left of center, or a republican? 

 

I am talking about the premise of what i believe the right stands for is smaller government.....based on that everyone is to the left of Reagan. I do not for a second believe Bill is to the left of Obama....I personally think Hillary and Obama along with Pelosi and Reid are right in line with Mr. Sanders.  I think most the party is, only Bernie has the balls to say it.

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What in the world are some of you talking about? This was/is a real news story that involved testimony to congress. It was carried by news site in the link.

I do jot care how you "feel" about the issue but this should be moved back. This is not fair at all.

Sorry fresh you didn't link to any story you linked to an opinion piece from a batshit insane lady just a few weeks ago she was saying Obama was spreading ebola in the us.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/phyllis-schlafly

If you want to have an adult discussion cite a proper source.

Gerrymandering should not be tolerated by either party.  The left is gone, no saving.  I was a democrat, a blue dog or a conservative democrat....the democrats are far left now have been for a long time.  Current leadership of the republicans are left center....conservatives are right of middle. However the left along with the mainstream media have convinced the masses that if you are against, oh I don't know say same sex marriage,  then you are a far right nut job. Voter fraud should be a bipartisan objective, so one has to wonder about people rationalizing and justifying why we should not protect one of our most basic of rights.

Yeah fresh, Alex Jones and Phyllis Schlafly are "just right of center" with super constitutional policy's like religious tests for office, immigration and outright bans on religion. Don't mention their views on those "foreign people and ideas"

 

Quick question for you both.

Bernie Sanders is he left, left of center, or a republican?

I am talking about the premise of what i believe the right stands for is smaller government.....based on that everyone is to the left of Reagan. I do not for a second believe Bill is to the left of Obama....I personally think Hillary and Obama along with Pelosi and Reid are right in line with Mr. Sanders. I think most the party is, only Bernie has the balls to say it.

Let's get the government out of our lives and into our pants. Defenders of marriage, Defending the institution against people who want to get married, And have their insurance carried, And be beneficiary'd, And be next to the ones they love when they are buried!
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Shadrack

Well, at least this post is in the right section. Absolutely nutty.

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Everyone who is 18 or older should be required to have an ID (proper ID with photo, height, biometrics) and should be cheap or free of charge. ID cards should then be required when you apply for jobs, getting bank accounts, buying weapons (automatic registration of fire arms, a change in ownership should be done at the nearest municipal, county or police office) and voting. Everyone should be summoned to renew their ID in due time. IDs and passports should be easy to obtain, therefore open all days of the week. To avoid queues, book your visit online or call an automatic booking system. If neither is possible, stand in queue.

 

Requiring a special registration for voting is beyond stupid and not asking for proper ID when doing the things above is also beyond stupid. You should be eligible to vote as long as you're 18 and have an ID that proves that you're a citizen in that voting district.People who aren't citizens and are allowed to stay within the borders for various reasons should have a temporary card (no need for biometrics and should contain contact information for the migration office) if they can not show a valid passport.

 

This is a safe and sound way to keep your census data up to date and allow people access to the basic rights they have. Allow anyone to vote even if they don't decide to vote until a few minutes before the booth closes. ID cards that contain biometrics allow a proper identifications under all circumstances. The biometrics can only be compared to the physical person and the biometrics is only centralized in a database from the time of application to the time it's handed out (has to be obtained in person). Make them difficult to counterfit. Less identity thefts and easier to claim your right! Being part of elections and referendums is a human right and as a citizen you should be allowed to take part of these, nobody should stop you, unless you're convicted of identity theft or voter fraud, or caught in the act doing so at the booth.

 

Every time I hear the the debate over voter ID, voter fraud (claims) or voter registration then I just pinch myself to make sure I'm not having a bad dream. Other countries require high quality ID when you do the things I mentioned. The US needs to get out of the wild west and get real.

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I highly doubt this is fake. Reason being is, this administrations agenda is to make Americans dependant on government. I've done research on socialism. Obama is a Marxist which leads to socialism then to full blown communism.

 

the concept is, making people dependant on government for your living in terms of entitlements. How did we get into this entitlement mentallity? the millenials were brought up to believe they are "entitled" to money on the govermment dole as well as socialism and communism push that the state is GOD. China being the prime example. Socialism and communism, using the china model is atheistic. that there is no GOD but the state.

 

But what has intrigued me is, anyone who loves this way of life somehow thinks they can get it right, more so than past countries who have attempted to make it work. North Korea is not any different.

 

the left, and I mean the left because I'm sure there are some democrats who wouldn't agree to having such a government. In my research, "reading the naked communist" I literally stopped after reading the book after Karl Marx. why? because he was the grandfather along with his buddy engels trying to push global communism. truth was, Marx hated captialism because he couldn't compete. He was indolent simply put. Indolent is lazy in simple terms. he NEVER had a job and expected that in his creation of communism was meant to redistribute wealth. this is a wrong ideal because what happens is, the workers who earn the wealth, lose it to the non working class and eventually, the workers say, "screw this, why should I work so this stiff next door can earn free welfare, smoke dope and become a inactive member of society. From my bible theology, I learned that, "if you don't work, you don't eat." so as an example, Israel had a sort of welfare whereby they were commanded NOT to reap the edges of their fiel dto leave it to the poor to glean. however, the poor had to work long hours to glean enough to get enough grain to eat. they actually worked.

 

Also in a communism, when the government runs industry, say for shoes, they will produce X number of a certain size rather then let a free market thrive and create different styles of shoes and sizes, heck, I'm a size 13. I would be boned.

 

Valerie Jarret's parents are self or were if still alive, self professed communists as was frank marshal davis, bill ayers saul alynsky(spelling?). 

 

But hey, that's just my viewpoint and opinion.

 

I'm fairly confident that despite your "research", you have no idea what you're talking about. Obama is a Marxist? The US is heading to communism? What planet are you living on? Communism and Marxism has been dead for 2 decades now, you're seeing shadows of a past that doesn't exist anymore. Look at China, do they look Communist to you? You might be tempted to say yes, but don't say it...

 

You need to do more research if you really think Marx was against Capitalism because "he couldn't compete". I have to wonder how many of your own politicians you would hate for not doing a single day of work in their lives too, you know, the ones with connections who get into politics with a hand up. You also seem to confuse socialism, communism and Marxism which contrary to your thoughts are different things.

 

In the words of someone I don't admire but who often think is right: "The alternative to Capitalism? Capitalism." And I think he's right, what we have is a State Capitalism, a great evil. we can argue over which has been more evil in the past State Communism or State Capitalism but I'll leave you with this:

 

For you to have something good under capitalism, someone somewhere will have had to experience something bad. Unchecked and unbounded, capitalism can be corrupt, it can ruin lives, the environment and our place in it, it can exploit, it can take money into the hands of people who don't need more money and for what? Utopia's aren't real, they surely aren't but the ideal of making life fair for everyone in an unfair world is a noble if naive one and capitalism such as it is will never get us there any faster than communism did.

 

 

 

On what this topic is actually about: I'm also of the opinion that both sides of the US government are as corrupt and power hungry as each other, who are willing to work within or change laws in order to meet their ends of staying in power "democratically".

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Quick question for you both.

 

Bernie Sanders is he left, left of center, or a republican? 

 

I am talking about the premise of what i believe the right stands for is smaller government.....based on that everyone is to the left of Reagan. I do not for a second believe Bill is to the left of Obama....I personally think Hillary and Obama along with Pelosi and Reid are right in line with Mr. Sanders.  I think most the party is, only Bernie has the balls to say it.

 

I don't know enough about him and I do not know where he would be in an executive position. I'm assuming he's not a right winger based on your statements.

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