Mike Douglas Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Where was I denying the ATi driver thing? I said that ATi used to have bad linux support (because they didn't release the drivers on time) but they are getting better (by releasing the modules). Like I said " I think you misunderstood my comment. I ment those games AND the ones provided by winex". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 You said: Actually i'm a linux users who doesn't like it when people flame Linux with no proof And I have proof, so by your own words, you should have no problem with what I'm saying because it's TRUE. So what IS your problem? This is what I get for having an argument with someone who's younger than my first Usenet post. :rolleyes: Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Douglas Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 You said:And I have proof, so by your own words, you should have no problem with what I'm saying because it's TRUE. So what IS your problem? This is what I get for having an argument with someone who's younger than my first Usenet post. :rolleyes: Mike you said that linux was buggy (which is untrue compared to the other OSes). Just because ATi didn't supply the drivers right away Linux sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isus Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 are all of starman's posts in this one thread alone? geez, get a grip... calm down. "I have the URL to prove it right here and I'll post it and make you look like a serious moron if you answer incorrectly." it sounds to me like you were beaten as a kid or something. shut up already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-}x0{- Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 and this folks, is why i dont use linux...... the community. unfriendly powermongering leetspeaking codewriting crackheads who argue about how much they know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Ok, here's the list of hardware issues I've had over the years: Network card (Netgear) Video Card (ATI and SiS Trio 64 Floppy drive USB keyboard (motherboard hub wasn't found) Mouse (PS/2 Microsoft Intellimouse) Linksys 802.11g card FACT: when new hardware comes out, it takes MONTHS for Linux to "catch up". Why do you deny this? For God's sake, stop looking like an apologist. FACT: Hardware drivers on Linux are called drivers. Search the net. Nobody says "Gee whiz...why isn't there a module for my video card?". I looked. In fact, I went all the way back to 1994 and people were still calling them drivers. Where do you get off telling everyone here that they're NOT called "drivers"? Some advice - you're 14. Don't become a snot-nosed zealot. Do yourself a favor and look at every OS objectively. Maybe you'll learn to respect the OS's and the developers a bit more. Also, become a developer and get a real job so you can understand what it's like to develop real software for a real company with real deadlines. You'll understand the market better once you're in it instead of looking at it from the pages of Wired. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Mick Posted December 23, 2003 Author Share Posted December 23, 2003 It's nice to see a post I created remaining so calm, sensible & on topic! Jeez, this is like "OS Racism", anything for a bash! :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Douglas Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Do yourself a favor and look at every OS objectively. you post saying "LINUX SUCKS", how is that objective? Bad Linux hardware support isn't the developers fault, its the hardware manufacters, which i've said many times in this thread. I don't "get off" at everyone that calls them drivers, just the people who are suppose to know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isus Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Mike some advice - stfu. really, there are so many more important threads that could be taking up one line in the recent posts thing on the front page... i don't need to see this one everytime just because you think you're the hottest **** evar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 I have every right to say "Linux sucks" because I spent quite a number of years playing with it. I don't regurgitate what my l33t doodz tell me to. I work with it. I've played with it at home. It's a crappy OS for desktop use. Period. You have to understand something, kid. The Linux community isn't centralized. There's no R&D for Linux. The best you'll ever get out of it is what the Linux developers can mimic. Apple and Microsoft have people that study GUIs. I took a GUI class in college and believe me, there's SO much more to a GUI than how many pixels from the side you should place a button. There's a lot of psychoanalysis which nobody seems to understand. Then these Linux weenies come in and try to imitate it on their own. NO. Also, there's no way to know if person A in Arizona is working on the same thing that person B is working on in Vermont. Then person A publishes their mess, person B publishes their mess, and persons C-Q try to screw with it because they all think their solution is the best. It's a disaster. I'm surprised it's gotten this far. There are no managers meetings. There are no R&D meetings. There are no schedules or deadlines to meet. And people wonder why there are no games for it. :rolleyes: Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Jones Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Ok, we get it, Starman is f***ing old and did it all "back in the days" , and code_monkey doesn't know anything, geez... You know what a great topic is? " If Linux ran a lot more games " Wouldn'it be fun if we talked about that , FOR A CHANGE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 some advice - stfu. really, there are so many more important threads that could be taking up one line in the recent posts thing on the front page... i don't need to see this one everytime just because you think you're the hottest **** evar. Spoken like a true 17 year old. Just what is is with these KIDS that think they know everything? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadeWolf324 Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 ok...wow. you guys blew this debate way out into a war...i am a faithful linux user, because I WANTED TO BE. i play the games in linux that i would play in windows just fine. and maybe you should look to use ur computers for more than just games...don't get me wrong but there are alot of other things that can be done. Like i said i use linux faithfully, and here has been my philosophy and the reason i moved to linux. ~ * BECAUSE IT FITS MY NEEDS * ~ if your needs cant be fit with linux THEN DONT USE IT. the people who determine what OS to use solely on ONE THING are the kinds of people who follow FADS and dont have THEIR OWN OPINIONS. dont bother with linux...your games wont run, so u wont run. but for those who use alternative OSes (OSX (with its cult following as well)and Linux) do so because it FITS THEIR NEEDS, not because it can play this game or it is less stable or it has more bugs or it does this or that, it dose WHAT THEY WANT, or IS CAPABLE OF IT. so all this bickering is pointless...Linux is linux, windows is windows, Mac is Mac, use what u want and dont force your opinion on others. the linux philosophy is that life is about choices...so make your own and respect others as well. /rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Douglas Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 just because Linux isn't controlled by corperate stiffs it sucks? Ximian's Industrial, Red Hat's BlueCurve and KDE's Plastik are all top quality themes that look nothing like what MS and Apple are offering. Gnome started development in 1999 and are already competing with MS even though they don't have some large R&D budget. This is getting really off topic, I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Jones Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Well, the question was - why aren't there more games on Linux? I stated my case - no graphics card support when the hardware's released. It's as simple as that. Why support an OS that can't get drivers for the hardware? Linux lemmings get their panties in a bunch when someone throws out some hard-core facts. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Jones Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 This is not just a harwdare issue. Diablo 2 is what, 3 years old? Has it ever been released for linux? And it runs smooth on my Ati xpert@play98 and a PII 400 (256MB of PC100) /edit : all supported by all decent distro (I hope) It depends only on the companies that make the games. And maybe Microsoft can push a little lobbying, stating that in exchange for funding, the game must be released for Windows only. (games are few on linux, AND MacOS) AND NO, the question was : If linux ran a lot more games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadeWolf324 Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 there arent more because companies fail to acknowledge linux's existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggareis Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Spoken like a true 17 year old.Just what is is with these KIDS that think they know everything? Mike ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Tux racer:huh:h: I'm usually too busy playing Unreal Tournament 2003, Americas Army, Neverwinter Nights, Quake 3, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, SimCity 3000, Medal of Honor, (soon to be released) Doom 3 and the countless thousands provided by WINE and WineX.If your so n00bish that you **** your pants when you see a command line, stay on Windows, but do us all a favor and SHUT UP btw, Tux Racers kicks as:whistle:e: Awesome, so instead of actually running a game in its OS, I can run it in emulation. You mean I can even run brand new games like Quake 3!! Or Sim City 3000! Sweet! A command line eh? Last time I checked, they had those in Windows too, but thanks for trying to make fun of me. dumbass, like i said before linux does not have same number of games.however games that do exist on linux are just as easy to install. same goes with regular applications. if you have normal system with normal, not 3rd world parts, hardware you'll have no problem finding drivers for linux. i have absolutly no problem finding drivers for every single hardware in my puter. why don't you run something more up to date than redhat 5.1 Ok, my ATi AIW 7500, which has no drivers from ATi, and my Turtle Beach sound card which isn't supported in Linux outside of kick ass stereo sound, even in Redhat 9. Great, so I can waste my time with sub par performance in Linux, or just use Windows where everything works fine, and to its full potential. Yeah, tough call. Things may be as easy to install, if you can find the drivers in the first place, or you don't mind making compromises, but I'd be happy to pay for an OS to not make those choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadeWolf324 Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 the only reason linux stuff works to 'half par' is because as stated...companies refuse to acknowledge us. if larger companies decided to start supporting us..that would throw us into mainstream pretty damn fast. edit: btw, not everything in linux runs to half par, as a matter of fact, my SBLIVE 5.1 PLATNIUM runs BETTER in linux than in windows. i have more control over its functions and dsp. also my nvidia card i have more control over than in windows...same with periphs and network printer (on a windows network thank you) which btw, ran flawlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isus Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Spoken like a true 17 year old.Just what is is with these KIDS that think they know everything? Mike just what is it with OLD PEOPLE that think they know everything? you were born in '67... your parents were probably very high when you were conceived. that would explain why you are in this thread, spewing crap out of your mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggareis Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrack Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 I don't use Linux because it is out of my budget... not because of the games. But seriously: ummm... more games would make it more appealing. I'll probably install it and play around when I get a larger hard drive. Until then, I have no problems with Windows XP. I remember not liking any windows before XP, but XP hasn't ****ed me off too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 just what is it with OLD PEOPLE that think they know everything? Well, most people my age don't make 6 figures because we don't know jack sh*t. Over the years I found that people run Linux for no other reason than the fact that they hate Microsoft. So instead of buying a Mac, they run Linux due to the cost of the components. The problem is that there's so much LESS support for Linux that the Linux community makes up crap just to make themselves believe that Linux is actually an OK OS. The Mac had that problem a few years ago, but not anymore. There are so many NATIVE games for OS X it isn't even funny. In fact, UT2K4 was announced as a simultaneous Mac/PC day-and-date release (sorry, Linux users). Oh, but there's that TOPIC again about why there are no games for Linux :rolleyes:. Maybe Atari/Epic has a clue about where their money should go? Maybe someone should come up with the "Ruby Slippers" Linux distro. :D Look, I respect what Linux stands for, but not the way it's executed. It's a ****-poor development effort. What's the incentive? Fame? Fortune? An appearance on TechTV? Nobody's getting paid big bucks to write free software, so the spark of innovation dies on the vine since someone with a spark of imagination can go to Apple or Microsoft and get PAID. Do you think Jonathan Ive would be where he is today if he worked on Linux? Doubt it. Then comes development dollars. Currently, I have a request from upper management to work on an OS 9 solution for the project I'm currently on (which is a cross-platform Linux/BSD/SGI/MacOS X/Windows solution). I'm trying to talk them out of it since in the time it takes to do the port, our users could go to OS X. My point being that any big company has to look at where their money goes vs. time vs. return. If there are no games for Linux, that's gotta be a serious blow to the head of the Linux community since it's populated by geeks that play games in the first place! So for companies to not put games out means that even with the heavy geek-base, there's no money to be made. Can anyone dispute that? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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