If Linux ran a lot more games...


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Ok, here's the list of hardware issues I've had over the years:

Network card (Netgear)

Video Card (ATI and SiS Trio 64

Floppy drive

USB keyboard (motherboard hub wasn't found)

Mouse (PS/2 Microsoft Intellimouse)

Linksys 802.11g card

well i can comfortably say you don't know **** if you had problems with network support.

Linux has hands down the best network driver support of any OS.

you had problems with floppy drive or ps2 mouse? MWAHAHAHHAHAHA! you don't know ****.

please tell me what books you are writing so i'll make sure not to buy them.

and it's obvious you don't know **** about OpenSource development.

i can list countless instances where that "dead" :rolleyes: spark of innovation pushed linux way beyond where MS or Apple are today and no sight of catching up

threetonesun, how about you quit talking out of your ass and actually talk about stuff you know something about. :no:

it took me under 5min to find 7500 and turtle beach drivers

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threetonesun, how about you quit talking out of your ass and actually talk about stuff you know something about. :no:

it took me under 5min to find 7500 and turtle beach drivers

What did you do, search in Google and see results come up? Please, try and use that hardware with those drivers and see what results you get. I can guarantee the Turtle Beach ones go straight to the ALSA development page, which clearly states it doesn't support anything over 2 speaker sound yet, or tells you that the cs46xx series is "supported" with OSS drivers. And the drivers for the video card are the ATi GATOS drivers which, quite frankly, suck, especially for an AIW card.

And that's if I believe you even looked. You're just trying to make a moot point, Linux still CANNOT compare to Windows, it doesn't have the support from software developers, it doesn't have the support from hardware developers, and most importantly, it doesn't have the support from the consumer.

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i can list countless instances where that "dead"? spark of innovation pushed linux way beyond where MS or Apple are today and no sight of catching up

Don't you mean nosign> of catching up?:rolleyes::

Listen, if Linux is pushing anything, then why is MacOS X so friggin' ahead of where Linux is? If YOU knew anything about open source, you'd know that MacOS X is based on the same codebase as FreeBSD. Ever hear of Darwin? Didn't think so.

Oh, you didn't know that, DID YOU?

Because now you see what you CAN do with an open source OS given the right environment.

On one hand you have Apple. Apple has 4 BILLION dollars. They take NeXT + BSD = OS X.

Then you take Linux, which has no R&D, and no structure. It's a disaster. If Linux is pushing ahead, then why does the GUI look like sh*t? Why can't you get drivers for it day-and-date with the release of the hardware? Where are the games (as this thread suggests)? Without these three items, how can you possibly support the OS if your game won't even look or work right with it?

So who knows nothing about open source?

well i can comfortably say you don't know **** if you had problems with network support.

Linux has hands down the best network driver support of any OS.

Wow. Did you know WHEN this happened because I never said that, did I?

So, you're telling me that an OS with no commercial support can just work "out of the box" with a network card which, at the time, was brand new?

There were NO drivers for that card, and the NE2000 generic drivers didn't work AT ALL.

I'm sitting here with a pile of URLs from people that waited MONTHS for drivers to appear for different pieces of hardware, and you guys are telling me that they existed all along?

Uh, NO.

I'd really like to know where this magical repository of yet-to-be-written-but-available-now drivers is. Maybe it's driven by the Flux Capacitor distro:DD:DD:DD.

you had problems with floppy drive or ps2 mouse? MWAHAHAHHAHAHA! you don't know ****.

And what exactly don't I know? I know that Windows and OSX recognize my hardware without having to recompile the goddamn kernel.

Mike

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Can you use a Wireless USB adapter with Linux? I have a wireless network at home in which my server PC runs 2000 and the Base Station, and my main PC runs XP and has the USB adapter. If I can't get the USB adapter installed into Linux, then there's no rhyme or reason as to why I would switch.

I wouldn't mind trying a hard disk-based distro (I try Knoppix every now and then), but there's no point if my most important hardware won't work.

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What did you do, search in Google and see results come up? Please, try and use that hardware with those drivers and see what results you get. I can guarantee the Turtle Beach ones go straight to the ALSA development page, which clearly states it doesn't support anything over 2 speaker sound yet, or tells you that the cs46xx series is "supported" with OSS drivers. And the drivers for the video card are the ATi GATOS drivers which, quite frankly, suck, especially for an AIW card.

And that's if I believe you even looked. You're just trying to make a moot point, Linux still CANNOT compare to Windows, it doesn't have the support from software developers, it doesn't have the support from hardware developers, and most importantly, it doesn't have the support from the consumer.

umm...Turtle Beach started off making it's cards FOR the linux people...EVERY card they're EVER made has had linux drivers. I really don't see where your problem with finding drivers for a turtle beach card comes from...

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umm...Turtle Beach started off making it's cards FOR? the linux people...EVERY card they're EVER made has had linux drivers. I really don't see where your problem with finding drivers for a turtle beach card comes from...

So, I went to turtlebeach.com and looked for a Linux driver for any of their cards.

Here's the download page for the Santa Cruz:

http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/585ftp.asp

No mention of Linux AT ALL.

In fact, their product spec page lists:

Operating System> Windows 98 / Millennium / 2000 Pro / XP

UPDATE>

From here:

http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/5855007.asp

Turtle Beach does not support the Linux Operating System. Non-supported

reference Cirrus Logic CS4630 drivers for Linux may be found at:

http://www.cirrus.com/drivers/audiodrv/ind...oductID=CS4630&

CategoryName=CS4630

(You will need to stich this long URL together for it to work.) 

The Santa Cruz is also Native in the Linux Kernel 2.4.x

No guarantees are made for the functionality of these drivers.

VTB assumes no responsibility for any damage that may occur from

your use of these drivers.

See also:

"Drivers for Alternative PC Operating Systems"

Mike

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starman what do u have to prove? your taking this personally.....i agree with you that most people here are teenagers and apperantly that enrages you that they disagree with you, but let each person have their own opinion, reguardless if its right or wrong..the whole point of this thread is lost because you bickered about it with other people, even if ur right or not.....pick the OS you want and let others pick theirs even if their reasons for picking them are wrong.

edit: also, yes its true turtle beach was ORIGINALLY created excuslively for linux...but apperantly they broke loose of that.

/2 cents

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I just don't understand how people can be so uneducated about things and yet be so obnoxious about being blatantly wrong.

Someone here said that Linux is a good solution for them. Fine, but this is a gaming thread. I can't see how Linux can ever be a serious gaming platform when you can't get drivers for new hardware. I think the evidence is pretty obvious.

I'm not trying to prove anything as much as show people how uneducated they are. It's one thing to argue something like religion back and forth, but when facts are presented and ignored it pretty much shows how ignorant people are.

Mike

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I'd use Windows even if Linux played games as well as it does. I'm scared of change. BRRR, change, keep that thing away from me. I must have my WinKey+D shortcut or I go nuts :(

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well its true people at times can be uneducated about these things...and i too agree that linux should not be taken with a religious following...but people do...and you cant stop a cycle like that. its true that it could never really be a strong gaming system, but its not really designed to be...that wasnt the thought that linus had when he designed linux. he made it as an alternative, and thats just what it is. what people do with it (whether they decide to support it or not) is their choice.

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I'd use Windows even if Linux played games as well as it does. I'm scared of change. BRRR, change, keep that thing away from me. I must have my WinKey+D shortcut or I go nuts :(

Hate to be nit-picky, but WinKey+D works on Linux :) Or you can make it any other key combination you choose.

Still though, on a more serious note ... I use Linux exclusively, but looking at it objectively, I can see that it's not for everyone in its current state. It *does* have fairly decent hardware support, excellent if you consider the fact that many hardware vendors barely support it (thus forcing the community to create their own drivers), but its implementation of this is a little less newbie-friendly than Windows (No "Found New Hardware" wizards)

Gaming is a little lacking as well, even though a lot of the latest games are supported by WineX.

However, in the future, I do believe that Linux will become a very viable alternative as a desktop OS for nearly all computer users. The advances that it's made over the last few years has been phenomenal - both in the kernel and in applications available for linux.

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Games would be a big plus, but I need Windows to burn dvd's and such, the linux apps are way behind (and yes I have tested em). I dont think I could ever leave Winblowz behind.

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Put me down as a no. Games are a very small part of the reason why though.

i can list 100s programs that are infinitely superior to their windows alternatives and in many cases don't even have windows alternative.

Care to prove this?? :woot:

These are the some of the programs I run on my pc everyday. What should I replace them with. Remeber I want better apps, no point in switching otherwise.

Dreamweaver MX 2004

Microsoft Word

Nero Burning ROM

Paint Shop Pro 8

Photoshop 7

Sound Forge 7.0

Vegas 4.0

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For those of you that say you'd switch if Linux was a better platform, why not just get a Mac? You have a company with true R&D support, kick-ass hardware, and third party support, UNIX underpinnings, and lots of third-party apps. Seems like a viable solution to me except for the cost of hardware.

Mike

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For those of you that say you'd switch if Linux was a better platform, why not just get a Mac? You have a company with true R&D support, kick-ass hardware, and third party support, UNIX underpinnings, and lots of third-party apps. Seems like a viable solution to me except for the cost of hardware.

Mike

Cost of hardware is a VERY big reason. How is that a viable solution when alot of people who use Linux use it because it's free and you can move to a different distro without a hastle?

You can build a PC for half the cost of a new Mac and run the same Linux applications/distro, whatever.

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Starman was providing an alternate solution to Linux, as the topic stated an alternate solution as using Linux as a gaming platform. Seeing as how Windows and Linux aren't going to be in the picture, what's left? Apple computers. For your information, Mac's aren't half bad. On the topic, my answer would be "NO". I would not use Linux even if it had more games. If push comes to shove, I'd rather use a Mac (Dual 2 G5!!!).

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umm...Turtle Beach started off making it's cards FOR the linux people...EVERY card they're EVER made has had linux drivers. I really don't see where your problem with finding drivers for a turtle beach card comes from...

Yeah, again, as Starman proved, you have no idea what the actual driver situation is. Turtle Beach has never released the specs for its Santa Cruz card, which means all it gets is basic, OSS and ALSA support. I have tried the new OSS drivers (which cost $30) and they work, but I can't see paying for drivers for a free OS, just because the manufacter won't support it.

Granted, from the stories I had heard about old distros, I was fairly amazed at how much Linux managed to sort out by itself. If I had a more basic computer, I would definately use Linux on it. Something just for browsing the web, and simple office stuff (I use Open Office in Windows) would suit Linux fine. I do like Gnome more than the Windows GUI. But when I can't use all of my current hardware to its full ability, I'm a little turned off.

And if anyone wants a good example of Linux failing, and in gaming in particular, tell me what it takes to get a usb joystick working in Linux vs. what it takes in Windows. My gamepad cost $5, has no drivers, and I've gotten it to work in both OSes, but the fact taht I can just plug it in and it works in Windows in EVERY game, is quite nice.

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I dont' want *more* games, I want GNU/Linux to get most games that run on Windows. Or a crossover solution that is close to 100%. Other than that, GNU/Linux is much more attractive IMHO, and the good thing is that the more people who uses it; the better it gets.

And if one actually looks at what games that are played THE MOST I'd say that Solitare, Spider Solitare and Minesweeper are the top 3. Just to prove that the important thing when making a game is the IDEA behind it, not the graphics engine.

I liked Halo when it came, it was a very good experience. Would it have been super-sucky with Quake1-grade graphics? No way. I would be glad if more people recognized this fact; the value of a game isn't decided by its penis size.

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Dreamweaver MX 2004

Microsoft Word

Nero Burning ROM

Paint Shop Pro 8

Photoshop 7

Sound Forge 7.0

Vegas 4.0

The previous version of Dreamweaver(MX) works just fine with WINE. I am not amazed by the features of 2004. Microsoft Word works perfectly with crossover office, and I've gotten it and Excel working with WINE from CVS. Photoshop 7 also works. SoundForge, PSP & Vegas I wouldn't know, but there are many programs for CD-burning in GNU/Linux.

XCDRoast does it all except DVD-burning.

Note that I'm still using Windows on my so called "production" box. But for most work, except heavy audio/video editing, GNU/Linux does the trick. Besides, if you get to learn XHTML/CSS, all you need is a decent XML editor, use Kate, Gedit or Conglomerate. And the soon-to-be-released GIMP 2 will be a decent PSP/Photoshop replacement.

Hope I didn't tick anyone off.

What I think is the better GNU/Linux applications are the command-line ones. Some of them are so easy to use, and incurs virtually zero system overhead, meaning that even if your system is compiling a kernel while ripping a DVD, you still can comfortably do most tasks in a xterm without feeling the system cry and lag under the heavy load.

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Starman was providing an alternate solution to Linux, as the topic stated an alternate solution as using Linux as a gaming platform. Seeing as how Windows and Linux aren't going to be in the picture, what's left? Apple computers. For your information, Mac's aren't half bad. On the topic, my answer would be "NO". I would not use Linux even if it had more games. If push comes to shove, I'd rather use a Mac (Dual 2 G5!!!).

I know Macs aren't half bad. I never said they were. I simply referred to the cost. I stand corrected in the topic solution; I got caught up in all of the Linux bashing, haha. Apologies.

Mike's statements are on point, though. I had absolutely ZERO support for my USB wireless network in Linux, which is an extremely big problem.

And as for the game situation: if Linux means that much to you, just dual boot. If I could figure out how to use LILO to dual boot, anybody can.

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yea ive heard wireless is a problem...but its ok for me...i either A. adapt, or B. stick with a alternative.

i find B usually very rewarding.

edit: and in fear of starting another war...ive always had Macs crash on me in the past....linux hasnt crashed on me...ever. not saying ones better than the other, I like OSX as well, and I'm glad they are starting to move more towards the unix underlyings....

if only apple released OSX for PC (vanderpool). THEN this conversation wouldnt even exist.

edit: starman, what would you think of linux if it did take an initative to become more of a centralized control. or if they were to charge for their OSes (each Distro indivdually or to a central place) and then were to move away from free...do you figure then that it might be better? i ask myself this question often...i know if linux were to cost money (completely), i'd still support it faithfully.

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