threetonesun Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 edit: and in fear of starting another war...ive always had Macs crash on me in the past....linux hasnt crashed on me...ever. not saying ones better than the other, I like OSX as well, and I'm glad they are starting to move more towards the unix underlyings.... I can say the same thing. The only thing that's ever gone wrong for me in Linux was Gnome crashing, and even that was rare. Of course, being able to chose your GUI on startup more than makes up for a few GUI crashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 (edited) Listen, if Linux is pushing anything, then why is MacOS X so friggin' ahead of where Linux is? If YOU knew anything about open source, you'd know that MacOS X is based on the same codebase as FreeBSD. Ever hear of Darwin? Didn't think so.Oh, you didn't know that, DID YOU? Because now you see what you CAN do with an open source OS given the right environment. On one hand you have Apple. Apple has 4 BILLION dollars. They take NeXT + BSD = OS X. Then you take Linux, which has no R&D, and no structure. It's a disaster. If Linux is pushing ahead, then why does the GUI look like sh*t? Why can't you get drivers for it day-and-date with the release of the hardware? Where are the games (as this thread suggests)? Without these three items, how can you possibly support the OS if your game won't even look or work right with it? I'm sitting here with a pile of URLs from people that waited MONTHS for drivers to appear for different pieces of hardware, and you guys are telling me that they existed all along? I'd really like to know where this magical repository of yet-to-be-written-but-available-now drivers is. Maybe it's driven by the Flux Capacitor distro :D :D :D. And what exactly don't I know? I know that Windows and OSX recognize my hardware without having to recompile the goddamn kernel. wtf are you talking about moron? you can't backup your points so now you are just running around like a headless chicken flailing your arms around and goin off on a tangent? how did you manage to pull out of your ass that i don't know anything about osx? :huh: i know more about darwin, freebsd, cocoa, quarts and other components of OSX then you ever could. all you know is how to bs and make lameass icons. Apple is so great, with 4billion dollars in RND and they couldn't come up with their own supperior kernel and had to use already existing BSD. if you'd know anything about linux you'd know that your beloved windows is yet to catch up to linux in terms of process scheduling, numa, pae, file system support, udm, and countless other features. opensource development has more r&d brainpower than MS&apple combined. right gui looks like ****..why don't you quit running redhat 5.1 and try something more recent. why is linux themes and icon sets are one of the most copied look ever. once again let me just say you are too ****ing stupid to find drivers for your hardware. recompile kernel for new hardware? MWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA MORON! :wacko: you proved post after post that you have no freakin idea about opensource, linux or anything else that's doesn't involve having a thumb up your ass. so why don't you just quit posting in this thread and go make some more lameass icons Midnight Mick, sorry your thread turned into this, if only morons like threetonesun and Starman above would actually stay on topic and answer the question instead of raving and rants like clueless n00bs :x Edited December 23, 2003 by MxxCon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redestium Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 yea ive heard wireless is a problem...but its ok for me...i either A. adapt, or B. stick with a alternative. i find B usually very rewarding. edit: and in fear of starting another war...ive always had Macs crash on me in the past....linux hasnt crashed on me...ever. not saying ones better than the other, I like OSX as well, and I'm glad they are starting to move more towards the unix underlyings.... if only apple released OSX for PC (vanderpool). THEN this conversation wouldnt even exist. edit: starman, what would you think of linux if it did take an initative to become more of a centralized control. or if they were to charge for their OSes (each Distro indivdually or to a central place) and then were to move away from free...do you figure then that it might be better? i ask myself this question often...i know if linux were to cost money (completely), i'd still support it faithfully. Actually I think that might really push Linux developers even further. I mean it's an incentive after all. What ever happened to that United Linux that I was reading about a while ago? A sort of standard for Linux as a platform that 3rd parties could base their stuff off of. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 What ever happened to that United Linux that I was reading about a while ago? A sort of standard for Linux as a platform that 3rd parties could base their stuff off of. :unsure: AMD-Supported Offerings ?Powered by UnitedLinux? Shipping Since November ?02 Products powered by UnitedLinux 1.0 include Conectiva Linux Enterprise Edition from Conectiva S.A. (www.conectiva.com), SCO Linux Server 4.0 from The SCO Group (www.sco.com), SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 from SuSE Linux (www.suse.com), and Turbolinux Enterprise Server 8 from Turbolinux (www.turbolinux.com). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redestium Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 AMD-Supported Offerings ?Powered by UnitedLinux? Shipping Since November ?02Products powered by UnitedLinux 1.0 include Conectiva Linux Enterprise Edition from Conectiva S.A. (www.conectiva.com), SCO Linux Server 4.0 from The SCO Group (www.sco.com), SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 from SuSE Linux (www.suse.com), and Turbolinux Enterprise Server 8 from Turbolinux (www.turbolinux.com). Hmm, thanks! What does the Linux community think about this, a good or bad move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 just like with anything else, some will say it's good, some will say it's bad :) but this is not the forum or thread where you should ask such question :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaptain chump Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 id def still stick with windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 JadeWolf, It's nice to dream about that, but it'll never happen for the simple reason that it's not what Linux is about. If you want to look at alternatives on the PC that were centralized, look at BeOS and OS/2. Both failed because Windows took over. You see, here's the problem. A lot of people don't truly understand how deep this Microsoft thing goes. When I was at Merck as an intern back in the mid-80's, we had a lot of internal departments that had their own way of doing things. This department would use Word, another would use Word Perfect. One guy refused to give up Wordstar. We even had old DEC and VMS systems (I can't think of the name of the system off the top of my head, but it was a document-based system where you created a document and you got a DocID number). So what do you do? Person A's report won't work on person B's computer and Vice President C can't read either one. So...you centralize it on one platform - Windows. Over the 8 years I was there I saw a lot of Windows centralization. Now, that was just internal on word processing. Imagine what it's like to deal with this between companies and spreadsheets, presentations, etc.! That's why I think that although MS does things badly, it's a necessary evil, and I have to respect them for making things easier. Mike People like to bash MS, but imagine what it would be like if to this day we're still using 7 different word processors with proprietary file formats! Then comes Linux. Um, OK. Star Office? No...doesn't quite work right. It's GOOD, but it's not 100%. Maybe this new MS Office XML format I've been hearing about will change things, but until then, when you're running a business, you have to make sure things run smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 i know more about darwin, freebsd, cocoa, quarts and other components of OSX then you ever could. all you know is how to bs and make lameass icons Don't you mean "Quartz". :rolleyes:Yeah, sorry for not posting all of Corel Draw on my web site. A few legal issues there, don't you think? why don't you quit running redhat 5.1 and try something more recent You mean like RH 8 which is what I tried it on? :rolleyes: once again let me just say you are too ****ing stupid to find drivers for your hardware. You know, I hate people like you.Drivers didn't exist yet, DUMBASS. How many times do I have to say that? There were NO DRIVERS for the 9700 the day I had this problem, so where do you get off telling me this? I posted my question to the rage3d board on 9/16/2002. Drivers didn't exist until Mid-November. http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php...=9700+AND+Linux You must be running the "Flux Capacitor" Linux distro. I guess you have to get your hard drive up to 8800 RPM :D. Apple is so great, with 4billion dollars in RND and they couldn't come up with their own supperior kernel and had to use already existing BSD. Again, Apple bought NeXT, owned by Steve Jobs. They took pieces of NeXT and FreeBSD. No matter how much money you have, you can't write an OS overnight. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paixao Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 I dual boot xp and fedora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cope Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 You must be running the "Flux Capacitor" Linux distro.I guess you have to get your hard drive up to 8800 RPM :D. Love BTTF :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarix Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 this is the one and only single reason why i'm still running windows.linux can do everything perfectly, plus alot more than windows, xcept games :( exactally my point as well, if linux didnt have as many driver issues and game issues id use it, hell im too damn lazy to compile 80 pages of text to get m 2400bps modem to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Midnight Mick, sorry your thread turned into this, if only morons like threetonesun and Starman above would actually stay on topic and answer the question instead of raving and rants like clueless n00bs :x Actually, you ruined it. I proved you were wrong about driver support for my video card and sound card, which are two pretty huge factors in playing games in Linux, and you continue to believe I'm a noob. Whatever, either you've just got a giant penguin shoved up your ass, or you don't even know what you're talking about. Either way, Linux + games = :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cibbis Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 I just don't understand how people can be so uneducated about things and yet be so obnoxious about being blatantly wrong.Someone here said that Linux is a good solution for them. Fine, but this is a gaming thread. I can't see how Linux can ever be a serious gaming platform when you can't get drivers for new hardware. I think the evidence is pretty obvious. I'm not trying to prove anything as much as show people how uneducated they are. It's one thing to argue something like religion back and forth, but when facts are presented and ignored it pretty much shows how ignorant people are. Mike been reading this and have come to the conclusion that you a small man with very low self esteem and for one that has repeatadly said that you are this uber driver writer, why dont you just write the drivers you need yourself if your such a ****ing UBAH L337 code ninja? And correct me if im wrong but the entire point of this thread was to pose the hypothetical question of IF linux ran more game would you change... not lets flame everyone on the planet because your some old burnt out coder. good lord man get a clue last time i checked this wasent china where no one could speak there mind. personally the mods need to lock this thread and end the stupid raving. and dude turn off the computer and get up off jer ass and find yourself a WOMAN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 been reading this and have come to the conclusion that you a small man with very low self esteem and for one that has repeatadly said that you are this uber driver writer, why dont you just write the drivers you need yourself if your such a ****ing UBAH L337 code ninja? And correct me if im wrong but the entire point of this thread was to pose the hypothetical question of IF linux ran more game would you change... not lets flame everyone on the planet because your some old burnt out coder. good lord man get a clue last time i checked this wasent china where no one could speak there mind. personally the mods need to lock this thread and end the stupid raving. and dude turn off the computer and get up off jer ass and find yourself a WOMAN! Wow. You can't spell, but you choose to flame people. That's great. I'll have to tell my KIDS about finding a woman. Maybe my wife will get a kick out of that. Other than that, you really haven't contributed to this thread one iota. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Love BTTF :D Yeah, I actually owned a D at one point. They're money pits though. $300 for a gas level meter. :angry: Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 exactally my point as well, if linux didnt have as many driver issues and game issues id use it, hell im too damn lazy to compile 80 pages of text to get m 2400bps modem to work Oh, but MxxCon said: "recompile kernel for new hardware? MWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA MORON! " Anyone who's put their finger in the Linux core knows damn well that there ARE times when you have to recompile the kernel, even for simple things. Personally, I don't like the idea of having to build anything just to get it to work. I already spent the money on the PC, now I have to spend time, too? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight' Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Purely hypothetical: Assume that drivers for Linux were as easy to install/find as their Windows equivalent. Assume that all games were fully supported by Linux. Then I would, without a doubt, use Linux over Windows for gaming. Mostly because Linux has a much smaller overhead on performance than Windows. My Kernel can be compiled to my exact hardware, so there are bound to be hardware performance increases there. Linux is more stable, at least in my experience of it. Unfortunately, Linux suffers from the above assumptions, and therefore in its current state I would not use it as a game platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Personally, I don't like the idea of having to build anything just to get it to work. I already spent the money on the PC, now I have to spend time, too? FINE! STFU ALREADY AND since linux sucks so much STAY THE **** OUT LINUX RELATED THREADS! :pc: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 FINE! STFU ALREADY AND since linux sucks so much STAY THE **** OUT LINUX RELATED THREADS! :pc: Oh, so I can only contribute if I'm positive about it? So much for a meaningful discussion. That's why this is called a f-o-r-u-m. It's a place to d-i-s-c-u-s-s. Maybe you haven't had that vocabulary word yet. :woot: Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sav Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Already did :yes: and I'm very please with my decision. @Starman: you kind of lucky I'm not a well spoken english person, cuz I will love to have some word with you, as a IT Teacher, we could have fun together. ;) , Ho and BTW for a driver programmer as you call yourself, can you validate your HTML code plz your web page is all mess up (or maybe you'll blame somebody else who is doing the page). Here's the link to help you, the check is already made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight' Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 FINE! STFU ALREADY AND since linux sucks so much STAY THE **** OUT LINUX RELATED THREADS! :pc: Starman has a point, 99% of the rest of the world (perhaps a slight exaggeration here, but you get my drift) also thinks like this. Linux will never fully capture a good sized desktop market share if it doesn't become more user friendly. Personally I think the user interfaces, and installs, are just as good if not better than Windows. However, actually doing simple tasks like installing, setting up internet connection and playing games are all very hard for the linux illiterate. ....Oh and Starman, Bill Gates preys on people like you :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Douglas Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Starman's right about the kernel recompiling thing but this allows the linux kernel to stay lean and mean and not bloat out; it takes only 10-15 minutes for a kernel to recompile and thats not that long. But if your using a distro like mandrake or redhat, almost all of your hardware will be detected correctly, its usually the odd videocard or soundcard thats causing the problem and they usually come with binary drivers (modules) that are very easy to install and do not require the kernel to be recompiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Which site? I have 3. The direct link is Live365's site, and the link from there goes to a PHP-Nuke site. My personal site has been validated already (or maybe it was just the CSS). Knight - maybe that's why Linux is free, nobody in their right mind would pay for it :D. (hehe...I'm more of a Mac head, but you're right) :D. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sav Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Which site? I have 3. The direct link is Live365's site, and the link from there goes to a PHP-Nuke site. My personal site has been validated already (or maybe it was just the CSS).Knight - maybe that's why Linux is free, nobody in their right mind would pay for it :D. (hehe...I'm more of a Mac head, but you're right) :D. Mike Your personal site, is the one I took to do the validation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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