Complete Switch to *NIX and Linux: May 17, 2015


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Mindovermaster

Well, for one, Photoshop. Past version 7, I never got it working.

 

Also, League of Legends never worked for me.

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simplezz

Well, for one, Photoshop. Past version 7

Yes, I've heard some versions of PS can be problematic. You'd be better off either converting to GIMP or running it in a Windows guest VM.

Also, League of Legends never worked for me.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19141

There are step by step instructions on how to install LoL on its Appdb page. Did you try them?

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Mindovermaster

I use Krita these days.

 

I did successfully install it, but After all the updates, I get a blank screen..

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adrynalyne

 

One of the best things about Linux personally is font tuning. Windows has seriously awful font rendering these days. OS X is really good but you can tweak everything with Linux and get beautiful fonts on ~100DPI screens easily. For exampleattachicon.gif1433575064113.png

See, I've always seen it the other way around. Out of the box, GNU/Linux looks horrible compared to Windows and OS X with font rendering. I then spend the next hour or two tweaking it to look as good as either of them.

Skyrim data files are OS independent, so yes.

Gold, Platinum, and Silver listed Games/Apps usually run without problems. Most of the ones I've tried work. I play Diablo 2 a fair bit at the start of a new ladder through it. As for SC2, according to WineHQ, it's platinum rated. So it should work fine. What exactly are you having a problem with?

How about a list of said games that work better in GNU/Linux?

 

Diablo 2 is a horrible example.

Not sure if serious or just trolling...

Hard to say. Its kind of like a unicorn in these conversations. We always hear about it, yet we never see it.

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TDT

Well, for one, Photoshop. Past version 7, I never got it working.

CS6 and CC works perfectly with PlayOnLinux. Download the installer script from their site and it's done automatically.

 

See, I've always seen it the other way around. Out of the box, GNU/Linux looks horrible compared to Windows and OS X with font rendering. I then spend the next hour or two tweaking it to look as good as either of them.

 

Agreed.

 

Hard to say. Its kind of like a unicorn in these conversations. We always hear about it, yet we never see it.

 

I'm more curious about that statement of his, about ANY game working fine. Those people from Wine, with 162 pages of not working apps and games must be idiots...

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vmlinuz

 

See, I've always seen it the other way around. Out of the box, GNU/Linux looks horrible compared to Windows and OS X with font rendering. I then spend the next hour or two tweaking it to look as good as either of them.

How about a list of said games that work better in GNU/Linux?

 

Diablo 2 is a horrible example.

Hard to say. Its kind of like a unicorn in these conversations. We always hear about it, yet we never see it.

 

Actually Diablo II is a perfect example. Older versions of Diablo II, such as 1.09d and 1.10 (needed by some mods), don't work well (if at all) on modern Windows (Vista and up). They work perfectly on Linux, however. I also agree with the font rendering - it's absolutely terrible on Windows. Linux font rendering is miles ahead and, again, can be tweaked to the nth degree.

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adrynalyne

Actually Diablo II is a perfect example. Older versions of Diablo II, such as 1.09d and 1.10 (needed by some mods), don't work well (if at all) on modern Windows (Vista and up). They work perfectly on Linux, however. I also agree with the font rendering - it's absolutely terrible on Windows. Linux font rendering is miles ahead and, again, can be tweaked to the nth degree.

It only took GNU/Linux 10-15 years to run Diablo 2 better than Windows.

 

Impressive.

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smooth_criminal1990

So on a practical note, what sort of system specs are you guys talking about for 60+FPS in games?

 

I've not tried native gaming on Linux for 5 or so years, and I'm 99% sure virtualisation (a Windows gaming VM on Linux) won't cut it.

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vmlinuz

It only took GNU/Linux 10-15 years to run Diablo 2 better than Windows.

 

Impressive.

Rubbish. I've been playing Diablo II for many many years on Linux.

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Crimson Rain

My experiences are that in the not too distant future ( less than a month maybe) you will tire of Ubuntu or other Linux Distro's and just go back to stock OSX. You'll realize that there really is no reason to switch. You'll tire of any type of "customization" you can do and just say "screw it" and switch back.

It is funny how some people still don't understand how true this comment is.

 

Your devices (desktop/laptop/tablet/phones etc) are things to get your work done; not things that you work on.

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vmlinuz

It is funny how some people still don't understand how true this comment is.

 

Your devices (desktop/laptop/tablet/phones etc) are things to get your work done; not things that you work on.

Completely depends on the individual. I *never* get tired of customizing my desktop, kernel and other things and I've been doing it *every single day* since 1998 (when I started using Linux). I do not use my desktop "to get work done", not in the traditional sense. I class my gaming and all my content and entertainment (I have 42TB of space filled to the brim of stuff) as "productive work". My desktop is something I work on and I never tire from it.

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Jub

playing Bioshock Infinite, Metro: Last Light, Killing Floor 1 and Outlast and Skyrim all running on Ultra Graphics at a minimum of 60+ FPS. 

 

Either Linux has secret sauce or your MacBook Air is indeed made of air.  :s

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simplezz

It only took GNU/Linux 10-15 years to run Diablo 2 better than Windows.

I'm sorry but that's complete ###### adrynalyne. I've been playing Diablo 2 on Linux for nearly 10 years on and off, and it just keeps getting better while the Windows version has been getting progressively worse and worse. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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simplezz

Your devices (desktop/laptop/tablet/phones etc) are things to get your work done; not things that you work on.

Generalising statement is generalising. Everyone has different needs and wants. Some like to tinker, some like to have a system up and running and productive without having to tweak. A variety of Linux distros satisfies all those requirements. Windows on the other hand allows less and less customisation with every iteration, often requiring hacks (that can break a system) to make even basic changes.
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vmlinuz

Either Linux has secret sauce or your MacBook Air is indeed made of air.  :s

Indeed, Linux has many secrets which you can unlock. It's unlimited power.

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Jub

Indeed, Linux has many secrets which you can unlock. It's unlimited power.

 

I have discovered many of its secrets since the 90s, and I keep discovering more with each new machine I set up, however, this

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Gotenks98

Calling shenanigans on the gaming aspect of Linux. I have tried this recently over the past 2 weeks. Wine and/or Play on Linux is a bit of a pain to get stuff installed. I play a lot of MMOs and I could only get some of them to work. The one I really want to test out was Aion. However the play on Linux installer installs the EU version of the game's launcher which isn't changeable and does not let the NA account owners even sign in to launch the game. Linux is nice for some things but its going to need a lot of work before I could even think about having it native 24/7. 

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vmlinuz

Calling shenanigans on the gaming aspect of Linux. I have tried this recently over the past 2 weeks. Wine and/or Play on Linux is a bit of a pain to get stuff installed. I play a lot of MMOs and I could only get some of them to work. The one I really want to test out was Aion. However the play on Linux installer installs the EU version of the game's launcher which isn't changeable and does not let the NA account owners even sign in to launch the game. Linux is nice for some things but its going to need a lot of work before I could even think about having it native 24/7. 

Call what you want. I find Linux to be far superior for gaming, and WINE / Crossover etc is very very easy to use and everything I have thrown at it works, and works better than Windows. Linux works so well for gaming, I don't even bother with Windows (I wouldn't anyway). The main task of my (high end) desktop IS gaming. And I only use Linux to do it.

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smooth_criminal1990

Call what you want. I find Linux to be far superior for gaming, and WINE / Crossover etc is very very easy to use and everything I have thrown at it works, and works better than Windows. Linux works so well for gaming, I don't even bother with Windows (I wouldn't anyway). The main task of my (high end) desktop IS gaming. And I only use Linux to do it.

Out of curiosity, what are the specs of your desktop? I've been wanting to try this again for a while.

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vmlinuz

Out of curiosity, what are the specs of your desktop? I've been wanting to try this again for a while.

Intel Core i7 3770 @ stock (non-k)

GTX 970

16GB RAM

42 TB drive space, including SSD

Dell U2713H (2560 x 1440, 120% colour gamut)

Running both openSUSE point release (currently 13.2) and openSUSE Tumbleweed (rolling)

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guitmz

WINE is NOT an emulator.

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adrynalyne

I'm sorry but that's complete ###### adrynalyne. I've been playing Diablo 2 on Linux for nearly 10 years on and off, and it just keeps getting better while the Windows version has been getting progressively worse and worse. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Diablo II keeps getting better?  I guess. I stopped playing it 10 years ago. On a side note, my Windows 3.1 installation keeps getting better all the time.  :rolleyes:

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Unobscured Vision

I'm one of the biggest Linux "fanboys" out there -- and a sometimes-critic too. (If I didn't care I wouldn't say anything, right?)

 

There's stuff that I can't get working on WINE as well. It isn't the "magic bullet", but it's getting better and better. The people that work on WINE are volunteers, by and large. They do not get paid for that work. It's a labor of love and a challenge to them.

 

Not bad for a free Operating System that in turn is employing a compatibility layer which is also free. Play on Linux is free as well. The Crossover Project (which foots the bill for WINE as needed) is the "pay" version and offers more features and support.

 

Steam/Valve is also doing their part to improve things. We all know & generally love them to pieces.

 

Let's be a little more understanding and kind to Linux & WINE, folks. It's mostly free, and one will not find the local Authorities at their doorstep for sharing the OS and related software with their neighbors or friends.

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simplezz

WINE is NOT an emulator.

That gets lost on a lot of people from the Windows world. They seem to think it has the performance penalties of a bog standard emulator. Which it doesn't. It implements the Win32 API so that Windows PE's run on Linux. In the case of Gaming, it converts calls from DirectX/3D to OpenGL, similar to how a game engine would support multiple library code paths. There's no performance loss per se. And in many cases, due to Linux's superior OS design & efficiency (vs Windows), the games in question actually run faster. Valve found this to be true while porting its engine to GNU/Linux.

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dlf

How would I even get my CD's (Diablo, Diablo 2 (LOD), WarCraft 2 TOD & BTDP/BNE, Warcraft 3), (Heroes of) MIght & Magic to be read by linux (specifically WINE/POL)?

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