The US and the 9 harbingers(judgements) end of the US?

[chrisj1968]

Let me ask you something very important. I realize that what I am about to ask is terrible—truly—but it is a logical and valid question.
Logically, an unborn child cannot be punished for sin because it has not yet sinned. If those who do not believe and / or sin are punished by God—separated from Him and burned by fire—and if the road to salvation from this punishment is narrow, then is abortion not the most merciful thing that can be done to an unborn child since it guarantees that the aborted individual will not suffer so horrendously?

I've learned that unborn babies and children who cannpt speak for themselves in terms of doign wrong, not knowing right from wrong, are brought to heaven because GOD is just in that, a child cannot answer for themselves. but abortion is wrong in the sense that if we take GODs commandment to Noah after the flood and he and his family exists the Ark, Noah sacrifices an offering and GOD gives him a commandment of captial punishment. those who murder another should be killed because GOD created man in his image and when we murder, we are striking the very image of GOD. http://biblehub.com/genesis/9-6.htm . But every person has a plan from GOD. some plan for each persons life. When we kill these babies, that could have been a great christian of faith that could have been a help to spreading of the gospel. But murder itself in the most fudnamental sense is the striking of the image of GOD. Our lives are sanctified ( consecreted as holy). So we do no good service to a baby because of the possibility that child could have been a great person of faith for the cause of the gospel.

[Buttus]

 

I have a jewish Rabbi friend who criticized me for saying his name.  I myself do hold HaShem, the common name used by jews and rabbis. But as a Christian, I dont' want to offend anyone. so, i'll say HaShem which has been a choice word to use. haShem is the hwebrew term for GOD. http://www.betemunah.org/hashem.html

But I always wish to hold his name in reverance.

right.   you can hold a name in reverence and still say it.  Just because you type or say a name doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong. 

If you believe if the Bible, it says you should use his name, that rabbi should be told to read the Bible a little.

[chrisj1968]

 

^^ Chris, please respond.

some Christian schools of thought believe that we may experience a financial collapse on elul 29 which is Sept 12th of this year. though GOD is sovereign, he can do as he chooses and may or may not, depends on himself but I think we will see another massive crash of the markets in the US. perhaps even crippling. Now I've been discussing this issue with a good jewish friend of mine and he says that he thinks the US doesn't fall under GOD's torah law. As a Jew he says the US isn't under the torah law rather the noahide laws http://allfaith.com/noahide/sevenlaws.html . But  I disagreed because with a christians faith, we are free from the law and are under grace.

But I'm sounding a warning that we shoudl be prepared, for somethign bad to happen. Every jewish shemitah year, on elul 29 we have had a market collapse. having 2 happen on that day could be a coincidence. but in 1973, 80,87,94(bond market collapse), 2001 and 2008.. 6 market collpases at the same time near or on elul 29 is a strong indication that we are in trouble. But as I say again, only GOD can change his mind and do as he pleases. even the market collapse in 1929 was a shemitah year. It's getting a big response and getting noticed now more than ever in the news. http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-seven-year-cycle-of-economic-crashes-that-everyone-is-talking-about 

[xendrome]

I've got one question.... Dinosaurs?

[chrisj1968]

I've got one question.... Dinosaurs?

I say yes. why? because the book of Job, he mentions animals with tails as high as trees, surely indicative of that. I heard about this even in the early development of my faith. its just that perhaps the christian knowledge contradicts what scientists think http://www.creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted-behemoth.html . not a fancy website but shows the scriptures about the dinosaurs. 

[TPreston]

Im embarrassed by this thread and im not even a christian. christians who present arguments like this are an embarrassment to themselves, their religion and their god.

Strive to present arguments that arnt lies like misquoting a passage about an animal with a tail that moves like a cedar tree or a dinosaur (if you are right) that had testicles.

I dont want to live in a world with theists this bad.

Edited September 7, 2015 by TPreston

[Anibal P]

Took longer than expected, but this indeed derailed into the OP and his non biblical and insane musings vs logc 

[imachip]

And after the September month have past and nothing of consequence happens, are you going to rinse and repeat like all doomsday people?  Say the calendar is slightly different, that actually it's a misreading or a prequel to the next catastrophe?

Why the USA?  There are other nations that have 'turned away from God' in the 21st century.  No offense but your 1 to 8 points of a timeline are so vague it's amazing you believe what you're writing and is akin to 'astrologists guide to your day' where they can link anything to anything because it's easy when you put a broad subject in (yet people still believe in it!).

[chrisj1968]

Im embarrassed by this thread and im not even a christian. christians who present arguments like this are an embarrassment to themselves, their religion and their god.

Strive to present arguments that arnt lies like misquoting a passage about an animal with a tail that moves like a cedar tree or a dinosaur (if you are right) that had testicles.

I dont want to live in a world with theists this bad.

 

Took longer than expected, but this indeed derailed into the OP and his non biblical and insane musings vs logc 

 

out of respect, I respect your views. absolutely. that's the beauty of free will. But I'd like to exhort you that there's a scripture to those who say GOD doesn't exist, written loooong before you or I were alive. now know this is a quote and not an attack on you personally. http://biblehub.com/psalms/14-1.htm 

GOD covers the bases quite well... https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Isaiah 64%3A6 

[Ian W]

out of respect, I respect your views. absolutely. that's the beauty of free will. But I'd like to exhort you that there's a scripture to those who say GOD doesn't exist, written loooong before you or I were alive. now know this is a quote and not an attack on you personally. http://biblehub.com/psalms/14-1.htm 

Out of genuine curiosity, how can one cite a verse that essentially calls an unbeliever(s) a fool and, at the same time, not consider it to be an attack against that person?

[adrynalyne]

Out of genuine curiosity, how can one cite a verse that essentially calls an unbeliever(s) a fool and, at the same time, not consider it to be an attack against that person?

DO WHAT I SAY, NOT DO WHAT I DO!

 

:D

[TPreston]

out of respect, I respect your views. absolutely. that's the beauty of free will. But I'd like to exhort you that there's a scripture to those who say GOD doesn't exist, written loooong before you or I were alive. now know this is a quote and not an attack on you personally. http://biblehub.com/psalms/14-1.htm 

GOD covers the bases quite well... https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Isaiah 64%3A6 

I wasnt even making that claim here, Just trying to make you a better christian and stop utterly failing in your obligation described in 1 Peter 3:15 by presenting the worst arguments of gods exsistance you can by presenting the worst arguments of gods existence you can find

[Ian W]

And after the September month have past and nothing of consequence happens, are you going to rinse and repeat like all doomsday people?  Say the calendar is slightly different, that actually it's a misreading or a prequel to the next catastrophe?

I would assume that this is where the "God is sovereign" bit comes into play. If it does not happen then one can claim that God chose not to.

I would also assume that this is unfalsifiability at its finest.

[chrisj1968]

Out of genuine curiosity, how can one cite a verse that essentially calls an unbeliever(s) a fool and, at the same time, not consider it to be an attack against that person?

its not the man who wrote the scriptures says this, the word of GOD is GOD breathed http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/3-16.htm so it as an example that GOD could have called you to write and what to write. you might not have understood at the time what you were writing, but you would write what GOD tells you to. GOD wanted Jonah to speak to nineveh, I think now in modern day Syria about its sin and to change its ways. Jonah in basic sense said no, i'm going this way and GOD dealt with him and Jonah finally relented and did as he was told. GOD does as he chooses, he is self aware, sovereign and holy. plus a lot more attributes. but he doesn't need man to do what he wants BUT!, he wants to use man, for his purposes.

[chrisj1968]

I wasnt even making that claim here, Just trying to make you a better christian and stop utterly failing in your obligation described in 1 Peter 3:15 by presenting the worst arguments of gods exsistance you can by presenting the worst arguments of gods existence you can find

 

I haven't failed. There are so many scriptures about the proofs of his existence. you'd kill me trying to show them all.

I am an overcomer!

1 John 2:13

Verse Concepts

I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one I have written to you, children, because you know the Father.

- See more at: http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Overcomers#sthash.zKXzPX1M.dpuf

1 John 4:4

Verse Concepts

You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

- See more at: http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Overcomers#sthash.zKXzPX1M.dpuf

1 John 5:5

Verse Concepts

Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

 

- See more at: http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Overcomers#sthash.zKXzPX1M.dpuf

So I am doing just fine. I won and am an overcomer

[Ian W]

 

I haven't failed. There are so many scriptures about the proofs of his existence. you'd kill me trying to show them all.

What is proof?

[chrisj1968]

What is proof?

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+1%3A1&version=KJV So the word of GOD (Jesus) became a human in flesh.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A1&version=KJV And GOD existed and always has... which goes hand in hand with the above scriptures

[Ian W]

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+1%3A1&version=KJV So the word of GOD (Jesus) became a human in flesh.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A1&version=KJV And GOD existed and always has... which goes hand in hand with the above scriptures

How is it logical if one uses the Bible to support the Bible? Moreover, if the Bible proves that God exists, how is this faith?

[Ian W]

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+1%3A1&version=KJV So the word of GOD (Jesus) became a human in flesh.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A1&version=KJV And GOD existed and always has... which goes hand in hand with the above scriptures

How is it logical if one uses the Bible to support the Bible? Moreover, if the Bible proves that God exists, how is this faith?

[chrisj1968]

How is it logical if one uses the Bible to support the Bible? Moreover, if the Bible proves that God exists, how is this faith?

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/11-1.htm Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.  its all about faith. 

also: http://biblehub.com/john/20-29.htm Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

[hagjohn]

I wasted 2 seconds of my life reading this ######. Thanks.

[Ian W]

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/11-1.htm Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.  its all about faith. 

also: http://biblehub.com/john/20-29.htm Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I am well aware of the two verses that were just cited—and they do not answer my questions.

How is using the Bible to support the Bible logical?


Moreover, if the Bible proves that God exists, then why should one be required to believe?

[chrisj1968]

I am well aware of the two verses that were just cited—and they do not answer my questions.

How is using the Bible to support the Bible logical?


Moreover, if the Bible proves that God exists, then why should one be required to believe?

Well Moses asked who should I say sent me (speaking about GOD) sending moses to the jews in egypt, and GOD says I AM.  but what you're saying in that illustration is, the Bible discredits the bible or never can prove itself. If I'm on the same page as you. But looking at your illustration, you answered your own question. as Jesus said to the jews, they always seek a sign as a proof, But Jesus was looking for REAL faith. that illustration

Back, was helping my wife with our closet. but here are some proofs that proved the bible is correct 

http://www.essentialbibleblog.com/2013/03/top-10-reasons-bible-is-true.html i'm not perfect mind you but I'm trying my best but archeological evidence is one proof. in gaza strip. there was a tablet found during the philistine era, in a primitive greek language that had the name Goliath on it, proving that Goliath existed and therefore the accoutn with David as real. 

 

 

[chrisj1968]

I am well aware of the two verses that were just cited—and they do not answer my questions.

How is using the Bible to support the Bible logical?


Moreover, if the Bible proves that God exists, then why should one be required to believe?

sorry  I misread this post but, The jews didn't believe who Jesus was though his miracles proved who he was besides the prophecies to this fact. But the Jews suffered terribly for their disbelief (70AD) But Jesus embodied the physical manifestation Of GOD, hence his name in earlier scriptures as immanuel (GOD is with us) GOD is, always was and always will be.. the Alpha and the Omega. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. So Jesus in and of himself is proof that the bible is infallible, perfect, holy and true. hence his word, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto my father but by me- http://biblehub.com/john/14-6.htm