jasondefaoite Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 (edited) What was the company that developed really small hard drives recently? Could this be what Apple is using? Toshiba They make the current iPod HDDs also, and have recently come up with a really small drive (physical dimensions) which Apple is sure to use in the miniPods. ---- Maybe wrong on this. Toshiba just announced a small drive, but it won't be in mass production till 2005, so this cannot be the miniPod one. Curious now to see which one they will use. Microdrive? Anyways, here's the Toshiba link.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/34536.html Edited December 31, 2003 by jasondefaoite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 if you read IHP-120 review almost every single point they make they show that it's better than ipod. the only reason ipod is still rated higher by them becuase initial release impression was very high and they didn't have any other baseline to compare it w/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondefaoite Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Ok, I better go read the review then :D By the way, do you agree they never said iRiver sucked? I have re-read the posts, and they only complain about CD based MP3 players, NOT iRiver products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuarterSwede Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 One of the small things being this. :D Click Wow, I have that entire Led Zeppelin box set in iTunes now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondefaoite Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 the only reason ipod is still rated higher by them becuase initial release impression was very high and they didn't have any other baseline to compare it w/ You must be reading a different review to me. I don't see every single point where the iRiver is superior to the iPod except for the use of AA batteries. Event then the batteries take quite a while to charge. Where are the other clear points in the iRivers favour? Appreciate if you could help point them out from the review. Additionally the iPod review was updated in Oct 2003, and the points still remain at 9.0. Now there are many players on the market, so there IS a baseline to compare it with. I disagree that this is the reason the iPod scores more than the iRiver. I am not saying it is inferior by the way, but maybe the reviewers in cNet (like myself) prefer the convience of the HDD player over the CD MP3 ones. That bias could be why the iPod scored a higher rating. (Pure speculation on my part, maybe they did think the iPod was better, who knows). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redestium Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Wow, I have that entire Led Zeppelin box set in iTunes now. ******... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniPi Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 others tried to take me on and guess what, they are no longer posting here. you will be no different. I love how he takes posting on an internet forum so seriously, almost like its a game...damn man, you just need to understand that some people have opinions, some like the iPod (or crapod in your case) and others like the iRiver, or any other MP3 player. It all comes down to opinion, just let it go and relax... :sleep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuarterSwede Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 (edited) Mav Phoenix, get the iPod, it is so much more worth it. ______ And, MxxCon, you've been an ass ever since I got to Neowin. I totally agree with nspeds and altus, (and I never say this but)you are a complete moron with no backing for what you say. Shut your mouth and let the thread get back on topic. ______ I'd buy the mini-pod but it wouldn't hold a tenth (1/10) of my library. It's still a great idea though and would/will recommend it to many of my friends. Edited December 31, 2003 by Jstphish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetman Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 lets assume ipod battery lasts 2 years. maybe you use your ipod on average 2 hours a day. 365x2x2 = 1460 hours / $50 for a replacemnt bc you didnt buy APP. now take your cdmp3 player. 2 AA batteries last what 10 hours, thats what i got with my rio sp250. same playing time and 2 years so you would replace those AA 146 times over that same time cost of 2 AA batteries= ~25cents each so we're talking batery wise ipod is truly not that expensve. plus wen i go out i can have 7,500songs in my pants pocket. with a cd mp3 player we're talking a backpack with your cd player b/cit doesnt fit in your pocket, plus what 200 songs on a cd s thats say 35cds or so. plus gotta have those in a carry caseso were talking all together maybe 2 pounds (lbs) or so compared to 6.2oz. The ipod also has the added capability of games, those who say ill never use those has never sat through anatomy class like i have. Scenario: "man this music is old, time for some new stuff." browes list of several hundred artists and decides to change to a smart playlist. now hes back to some more music and continues with life. Scenario 2: "mn time fore some different music" changes cd. shuffles through cds to find one labled party mix. puts it in, waits for it to load then spends 5 min looking for a song on their to listen to. Nothing good on this cd, changes to a new one (repeat 5-10 times unless youve created a fancy system where you have exactly whats on each cd. which guy is better off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 By the way, when Cnet rates products, they don't make a comparative analysis of that product with another one. For example, when the First PVR was released, Cnet did not give it a very high score despite the fact that there were no other products to compare it with. Moreover, the iPod is now in its 3rd generation form, which means that Cnet has reviewed it a THIRD time. I think that this third time was plenty enough to get over the "first impression" wave that Mxxcon is muttering about. Mxxcon, my gosh, learn how to argue... I wasn't even advocating that the iRiver was crap, in fact, in none of my posts did I even mention the iRiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondefaoite Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 lets assume ipod battery lasts 2 years. maybe you use your ipod on average 2 hours a day. 365x2x2 = 1460 hours / $50 for a replacemnt bc you didnt buy APP. now take your cdmp3 player. 2 AA batteries last what 10 hours, thats what i got with my rio sp250. same playing time and 2 years so you would replace those AA 146 times over that same time cost of 2 AA batteries= ~25cents each so we're talking batery wise ipod is truly not that expensve. plus wen i go out i can have 7,500songs in my pants pocket. with a cd mp3 player we're talking a backpack with your cd player b/cit doesnt fit in your pocket, plus what 200 songs on a cd s thats say 35cds or so. plus gotta have those in a carry caseso were talking all together maybe 2 pounds (lbs) or so compared to 6.2oz. The ipod also has the added capability of games, those who say ill never use those has never sat through anatomy class like i have. Scenario: "man this music is old, time for some new stuff." browes list of several hundred artists and decides to change to a smart playlist. now hes back to some more music and continues with life. Scenario 2: "mn time fore some different music" changes cd. shuffles through cds to find one labled party mix. puts it in, waits for it to load then spends 5 min looking for a song on their to listen to. Nothing good on this cd, changes to a new one (repeat 5-10 times unless youve created a fancy system where you have exactly whats on each cd.which guy is better off? The battery life is dependant on charging cycles. The original battery in the first generation 5G iPod was rated for 500 charging cycles. If you only run your iPod 2 hours a day, it would last longer than 2 years, as you don't need to charge it on a daily basis. But also, I am assuming you are saying they by new batteries after each 10 hours of play for the other product. They could use rechargable AA batteries, a lot cheaper in the long run :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 (edited) thetman, your whole argument is invalid becuase my player comes with 2 rechargable gumstick batts, which the way i use my player lasts me about 35hours on a single charge. these 2 batts last longer than ipod's batt and replacement to even higher capacity batts is only $5/pair. so "ipod is truly not that expensve" my ass. this backpack has special builtin pocket for cds so weight of cdcases argument is invalid too. i don't know about you or what you are wearing but i never had problems putting my player in pockets that i wanted to. it's obvious you never held/saw/used slimx550 in real life, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that. the reason i keep it in my backpack is becuase backpack has headphones and volume builtin shoulder straps. it's infinitely more comfortable than having wires flapping all over the place and tangling on things. i don't know how fast you can read, or how you manage your files, but it takes me at most 15sec to navigate to any song on my cds. plus all my cds are labeled so there is no "Nothing good on this cd, changes to a new one (repeat 5-10 times unless". who the hell would label their cd "party mix 1". plus i don't listen to crappy techno or any other kind of music that would require "mixing". you walk into a store, see some cd you like and want to buy it. YOU will have to wait untill you get home, rip it, encode it, upload it and only then listen it. while i will be listening to that cd walking out of the store. and there is nothing compares to having actual physical cd with art and other goodies. and need i mention listening to Stern in the morning? oh wait, i forgot, ipods don't have radio w/o shelling out $40 extra for addon which guy is better off? :whistle: seeing as how you don't have as much flexibility w/ ipod, seems like 40gig size is the only sticking point you can make. and i bet most you don't even have 40giger. p.s. to those "twits" that think about replying regarding my spelling and other "english nazi" bs, you can go **** yo mama cuase i don't give rats ass. it's clear enough for you to understand. and if you don't understand, well go suck a rock. Edited December 31, 2003 by MxxCon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTallack Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Flame Wars: The Saga Continues Ugh. Grow up people. Everyone has an opinion, and while some people might make unbiased comments regarding them, it's best that we just leave them to make asses of themselves by mispelling words like "battery" and "cause". I frankly find these posts very amusing. I find it funny that someone who spells at a 5th grade level could argue anything. Now I'll step back from this post, and continue to read this humorous forum. If you need me, I'll be over here "sucking on a rock". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondefaoite Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 i don't know about you or what you are wearing but i never had problems putting my player in pockets that i wanted to. So you'll be the one walking down the road with the jeans with monster pockets eh? The previous arguement was not about the thickness of the CDMP3 player, but how wide it was ... "pancake" was the term used. You dont need to have your iRiver, or to have held it to know it can't fit into my pockets, just try wedging a CD in there is damn near impossible. But it seems you have no trouble. But they again, maybe you have plently of space down there hehe. I'm just kidding (before the flames start) Or maybe the pockets that you wanted to put the player into were the only pockets it could actually fit into, ie NOT your trouser ones I fully agree on the battery however. As i mentioned the previous arguement is invalid as he assumed replacing the AA after 10 hours. Rechargeables would obviously be the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 thetman, your whole argument is invalid becuase my player comes with 2 rechargable gumstick batts, which the way i use my player lasts me about 35hours on a single charge. these 2 batts last longer than ipod's batt and replacement to even higher capacity batts is only $5/pair. so "ipod is truly not that expensve" my ass.this backpack has special builtin pocket for cds so weight of cdcases argument is invalid too. i don't know about you or what you are wearing but i never had problems putting my player in pockets that i wanted to. it's obvious you never held/saw/used slimx550 in real life, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that. the reason i keep it in my backpack is becuase backpack has headphones and volume builtin shoulder straps. it's infinitely more comfortable than having wires flapping all over the place and tangling on things. i don't know how fast you can read, or how you manage your files, but it takes me at most 15sec to navigate to any song on my cds. plus all my cds are labeled so there is no "Nothing good on this cd, changes to a new one (repeat 5-10 times unless". who the hell would label their cd "party mix 1". plus i don't listen to crappy techno or any other kind of music that would require "mixing". you walk into a store, see some cd you like and want to buy it. YOU will have to wait untill you get home, rip it, encode it, upload it and only then listen it. while i will be listening to that cd walking out of the store. and there is nothing compares to having actual physical cd with art and other goodies. and need i mention listening to Stern in the morning? oh wait, i forgot, ipods don't have radio w/o shelling out $40 extra for addon which guy is better off? :whistle: seeing as how you don't have as much flexibility w/ ipod, seems like 40gig size is the only sticking point you can make. and i bet most you don't even have 40giger. p.s. to those "twits" that think about replying regarding my spelling and other "english nazi" bs, you can go **** yo mama cuase i don't give rats ass. it's clear enough for you to understand. and if you don't understand, well go suck a rock. All I can do is laugh... Not everyone is like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted December 31, 2003 Veteran Share Posted December 31, 2003 And I have to say that that backpack looks pretty retarded and is amazingly cumbersome. Who the hell is gonna buy a special backpack to listen to music, not to mention most of the places you listen to music you can't have a great big heaving backpack on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 I don't care how "inconvenient" it is for me to have an iPod. Its no way nearly as inconvenient as CD player. I wear a suit a lot, its not like I can wear a back pack full of CDs with it. My iPod fits right inside my blazer pocket. Moreover, by putting a CD player in your back pack, it has a higher probability of breaking since we have a tendency to "throw" our bags around as well as squeeze as much stuff as we can in the backpack... thus crushing the CD player. In my pocket, the iPod is pretty much safe. If you want to talk about durability... I've had 7, yes 7 CD players in the past, and they've all broke. My 3 iPods that I happily own are still in excellent condition (albiet the inevitable stratches here and there). Now, this is analysis coming from MY PERSONAL usage of these devices. The iPod is so convenient that in an airplane I just have to reach in my pocket. With a CD player, you have to go to the bag under the seat in front of you, whip out the CD player, look for your CD in the same back and turn it on. That's just one of the many examples where size matters. I have 40GB's of music, even though I only use about 15 GBs of it, I enjoy my music on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misecia Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 if i hadn't already got an iPod I would by a miniPod, if it exists. I use to use a MP3 CD player, but dragging that around was annoying, it was too big (plus extra pockets for extra CDs) and when ever you tipped it up (which is practically nonstop) it'd jump or go off completely. :cry: Try running to a bus with an iPod and see if you get even a squeak out of it, not likely. Plus its almost as small as a pack of cards. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zachman123 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Wow I missed a lot... zachman123, Rio players are absolute crud. it's same company as SonicBlue, which used to be Diamond MultiMedia. the only company that has worse support is iomega. look at cnet and other reviews.. iRiver makes the best mp3 players. yes, even better than ipod What do other ppl think of that... I've had a Rio500 for years now, and it's always done exactly as it should. If you're dissing rio's support, take a look at the newest firmware versions for the new products. They're updated at least once a month at the minimum!look at cnet and other reviews.. Sure, the Rios don't get the best reviews and aren't the best, but you can't call a 8.3 crap for the Nitrus when the iRivers get 8.7s... Your scale 1-8.3 = Crap, >8.3 = Best Sorry to continue the flaming but I'm annoyed with someone calling a Rio crap because it got .4 points less on CNet.... O Well, I'm still excited about the Minipod, if it actually is coming out. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zachman123 Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 What was the company that developed really small hard drives recently? Could this be what Apple is using? Cornice too... They make the 1in drives for various players such as the Rio Nitrus/Eigen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 If you're dissing rio's support, take a look at the newest firmware versions for the new products. They're updated at least once a month at the minimum! support is alot more than just releasing new firmware. they don't have toll free support number. their RMA policy is really ****** up. they completly abounded their older product line. in summer of 2k2 my cousin bought me one of their players. from the start i had problem with randomly missing stereo sound. i tried to work with them to repair/replace it but all that **** dragged for month and month untill i was told that my player was at EOLC and to get further support i'd have to pay for parts, labor, shipping both ways and any support after that. ALL THAT LESS THAN A YEAR AFTER IT WAS BOUGHT! as soon as newer models come out they completly abounden their current line. my player is no longer ever listed on their site :angry: it doesn't matter what rating it got, if the company behind it is crud i'd stay away even if they were giving away golden bricks w/ their players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioscheine Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 Here it is. The New MiniPod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark03 Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 is that a real pic or just a stupid concept thing? if that's real, i'll go get my tunes lined up and my money ready... hmm... on the title bar on the lcd it just says iPod... WHY? this better not be fake :crazy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully748 Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 i don't like it as much .... it just doesn't look as cool are there any specs out yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idvah Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Its probably a fake, since the text on the screen is way too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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