ctebah Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 2 minutes ago, DocM said: That's from 2013 and the federal stats take 1.5 to 2 years to compile. 2014 should come this winter or spring. Cool, meanwhile there has been: Quote 994 mass shootings in 1,004 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 18 minutes ago, JHBrown said: Such a bold and false statement. I lived in Los Angeles during the riots. And Detroit had to call in the National Guard, and tanks had to fire. Anyhow, the armored vehicles that were given the police aren't armed with any mounted devices stronger than water cannons or tear gas dispensers. They're used to more safely insert cops in shooter situations etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 21 minutes ago, ctebah said: Of course not. Make it harder for people to get guns and you will see the amount of shootings go down. Common sense. Common sense is not so common in #Freedomland. This is a sad day. Please don't give in to fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 17 minutes ago, ctebah said: Why not post an even older article, maybe from the 90's? http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence From ThinkProgress I'd say we've had a pretty significant drop in gun deaths by this chart. Another from Mother Jones Also, even government statistics from the CDC aren't available post 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+JHBrown Subscriber¹ Posted December 2, 2015 Subscriber¹ Share Posted December 2, 2015 5 minutes ago, DocM said: And Detroit had to call in the National Guard, and tanks had to fire. Anyhow, the armored vehicles that were given the police aren't armed with any mounted devices stronger than water cannons or tear gas dispensers. They're used to more safely insert cops in shooter situations etc. I see. I thought you all wanted mounted weaponry on civilian police vehicles similar to what we use in the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrobwx71 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Man, this is so sad. My heart goes out to my fellow Americans dealing with these horrible events. DConnell and +Raze 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 42 minutes ago, macrosslover said: Maybe this is why police could use those armored vehicles and heavy weaponry that Obama doesn't think they need. None of those armored vehicles have any mounted weapons on them and they would surely be useful in moving in to evacuate wounded citizens in cases like these. Maybe this is why guns need to be restricted, as Obama has called for countless times. Stoffel, MikeChipshop, ctebah and 3 others 6 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 This is clearly a terrorist attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLien_0 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Can we not turn this is to a gun debate again? Nogib, xrobwx71 and trag3dy 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, JHBrown said: I see. I thought you all wanted mounted weaponry on civilian police vehicles similar to what we use in the military. No. Armored yes, for safer insertions. But alas Obama wants to take those away, forcing cities who need them to buy new ones at about $350,000 per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 13 minutes ago, DocM said: That's from 2013 and the federal stats take 1.5 to 2 years to compile. 2014 should come this winter or spring. Agreed, I don't want this to be another gun control scapegoat. DConnell and xrobwx71 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, DocM said: No. Armored yes, for safer insertions. But alas Obama wants to take those away, forcing cities who need them to buy new ones at about $350,000 per. Police don't need tanks, even in America. The militarisation of the police has to stop. ctebah, +JHBrown, MikeChipshop and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 3 minutes ago, theyarecomingforyou said: Police don't need tanks, even in America. The militarisation of the police has to stop. You want cops to charge in unprotected rather than protected save for the last few feet? How silly. Grow up. trag3dy and DConnell 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, DocM said: You want cops to charge in unprotected rather than protected save for the last few feerlt? How silly. Grow up. In the UK cops aren't armed, don't drive tanks and protect people rather than murdering them in the street. So yes, I want US policing to change. FiB3R, ctebah, Shiranui and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctebah Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, theyarecomingforyou said: In the UK cops aren't armed, don't drive tanks and protect people rather than murdering them in the street. So yes, I want US policing to change. Get out of here with that common sense.. +JHBrown and DeusProto 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravensky Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 42 minutes ago, ctebah said: Exactly. Instead of arming the police even further, maybe they need to finally disarm some of the citizens... umm no we need to arm more citizens so this stuff can be stopped quicker. DConnell 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctebah Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, Ravensky said: umm no we need to arm more citizens so this stuff can be stopped quicker. Lol. Citizens already have more guns and mass shootings are on the rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Just now, Ravensky said: umm no we need to arm more citizens so this stuff can be stopped quicker. That's like saying the cure to AIDS is infecting more people with AIDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 6 minutes ago, theyarecomingforyou said: In the UK cops aren't armed, don't drive tanks and protect people rather than murdering them in the street. So yes, I want US policing to change. UK uses Jankel armored trucks, so wrong, and the vast majority 9f police shootings are justified in spite of BLM propoganda. And if UK cops had to deal with what US cops do they'd insist on phasers set to anything but stun. Nogib 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravensky Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 1 minute ago, ctebah said: Lol. Citizens already have more guns and mass shootings are on the rise. then eliminate the no gun zones like this one was in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 1 minute ago, DocM said: UK uses Jankel armored trucks, so wrong, and the vast majority 9f police shootings are justified in spite of BLM propoganda. So everything is just peachy with policing in the US? This is what the UK uses (clearly not a tank): This is what the US uses: Please tell me that you can see the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 1 minute ago, theyarecomingforyou said: Please tell me that you can see the difference. Functionally, the only difference is one has a place for a guy to sit on top. Nogib 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 The black Yukon was found abandoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 1 minute ago, DocM said: The black Yukon was found abandoned. I thought as much. There's been too much time for them to ditch and move on. DocM 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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