Southern Patriot Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Well, maybe i've been under a rock, but if they do upgrade some of the stuff, I want them to give the eMac's 1.33Ghz! There was an article floating around the other day (can't remember if it was here or somewhere else) that showed how to overclock an 800Mhz eMac to 1.33Ghz. Supposedly, it was very stable at that speed. It only involved a couple of solder connections on some bridges on the motherboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VGVL Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Hopefully a PowerBook Bump. It's been over 5 months since the last PowerBook Update... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icyorange Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I'm hoping for a PowerBook update too, then hopefully the PB G4 prices will go down. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocks1985 Posted January 24, 2004 Author Share Posted January 24, 2004 i really hope for g5 imacs, though i really really doubt it... apple needs to come up with a new revolutionary consumer product thats affordable and cool looking... that way they will get more users... most consumers won't care about a g5, they just do word processing and surf the net.... the imac flat panel was head turning but the price was head turning too...its the 24th here down under, but still 23rd in cupertino... still hoping and waiting you're right...they do need "to come up with a new revolutionary consumer product thats affordable and cool looking." seeing that new flat panel iMac in a glossy 6 page time magazine ad in mid-january 2002 was what really got me started on fantasizing about owning a mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 apple needs to come up with a new revolutionary consumer product thats affordable and cool looking. Isn't that the iPod? Clearly it's afordable as it's number one selling mp3 player in it's class and in any class and they can't keep them on the shelves. And it is cool looking - garning awards left and right for it's design and even showing up in rap music videos as "bling". Revolutionary: It doesn't do much that hasn't been done already, it just does it better: like so many other things that Apple does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macman87 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Isn't that the iPod? Clearly it's afordable as it's number one selling mp3 player in it's class and in any class and they can't keep them on the shelves. And it is cool looking - garning awards left and right for it's design and even showing up in rap music videos as "bling".Revolutionary: It doesn't do much that hasn't been done already, it just does it better: like so many other things that Apple does. sorry... i meant an evolutionary new computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Okay - when you said "consumer product" i thought you were avoiding the word computer for a reason. IMO they should stick with what they've got in terms of product lines but convince people that the alternatives suck. Of course if it was that easy: I'd be rich and Windows would be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuka_t Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 but the alternative dosent suck, i dont want to turn this into the world vs. Apple debate but i would rather have an ihp-120 over an ipod and an 800 dollar pc over an 800 dollar mac. if you were giving away a G5 on the other hand... for exmple like phips two pc's are identicle except for processor speeds. i would think that the imac cost him about twenty five to fifty percent more and is actually slower. megaherz myth all u want but a 700mhz G4 dosent outperform a 1533mhz athlon xp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redestium Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 but the alternative dosent suck, i dont want to turn this into the world vs. Apple debate but i would rather have an ihp-120 over an ipod and an 800 dollar pc over an 800 dollar mac. if you were giving away a G5 on the other hand... for exmple like phips two pc's are identicle except for processor speeds. i would think that the imac cost him about twenty five to fifty percent more and is actually slower. megaherz myth all u want but a 700mhz G4 dosent outperform a 1533mhz athlon xp. We're not even going there, come on now. :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macman87 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 IMO they should stick with what they've got in terms of product lines but convince people that the alternatives suck. Of course if it was that easy: I'd be rich and Windows would be gone. the problem is that most people don't know of other alternatives to windows.. they think windows rules the world.. they don't see apple as an option... and most people don;t really care about the computer they use... when the imac was released back in 98 people saw how easy it was to get a computer to the internet and how nice it looked... but then pcs caught up and apple hasn't come up with a product to match the original imac (in sales)..maybe apple doesn't need to create such a product because its focused on other markets but if they want to gain market share they need something (computer) similar to the original imac... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazgul Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 the problem is that most people don't know of other alternatives to windows.. they think windows rules the world.. they don't see apple as an option... and most people don;t really care about the computer they use... I dunno, I've gotta disagree with you there man... at the very least the people on here care about the computers they use. If Apple could gain more support and figure out a way to lower their prices... Or bring out OSX for PC's. That'll never happen though, cuz then no one will have a reason to buy their overpriced hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 (edited) but the alternative dosent suck I never said it did, but if apple wants to sell more of it's existing product line convincing the average joe that the alternative products are trash by comparison is the way to go. i dont want to turn this into the world vs. Apple debate but ...I'll take the first shot with some random anecdotes and a healthy dose of my opinion sprinkled on top.I fixed that for you.EDIT: at the very least the people on here care about the computers they use The problem is your sample is flawed ~30,000 members of a computer forum out of several hundred million internet users and nearly a billion computer owners is not a fair sampling of the world at large. Even here I think the _average_ user has limited knowledge of Apple hardware or OS X (beyond the basic: "Macs use PPC processors, they can't run windows, OS X is unix-based, and you can't use OSX on PC hardware). EDIT2: You have a point about apple not being seen as a viable option - I'll respond to it after I've had a chance to for a better message. Right now I have to admit I overlooked that, being an Apple user myself sometimes blinds me to the minority status Macintosh systems have. Edited January 24, 2004 by the evn show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macman87 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I dunno, I've gotta disagree with you there man... at the very least the people on here care about the computers they use. If Apple could gain more support and figure out a way to lower their prices... Or bring out OSX for PC's. That'll never happen though, cuz then no one will have a reason to buy their overpriced hardware. neowin is tech site... the people know more about computers than the average person on the street :p i don't believe the problem is apples prices all that much... its because for the people who knows that macs exists, they don't see the value of paying the extra $$$ for a mac... sure it looks good and stuff, but what other features does it include? mac users no, but he average joe doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 don't believe the problem is apples prices all that much... its because for the people who knows that macs exists, they don't see the value of paying the extra $$$ for a mac EXACTLY. Apple has shown that people are willing to pay a premium for it's hardware with the iPod. It costs more than competing products, and lacks some features that the others have at the ~$500 price point but for whatever it's selling like mad. If apple can make a computer with a mix of price and valued features that matches the ipod i think we might see apple return to 5-10% market share in a couple years. Now the question we have is: What makes the iPod sell like mad, but PowerMacs sell so poorly? All of that assumes that people who buy MP3 players are also people who would buy a computer - which I think is a fairly reasonable assumption. Are they looking for the same price/feature mix in a computer that they are with a music player? I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redestium Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 EXACTLY.Apple has shown that people are willing to pay a premium for it's hardware with the iPod. It costs more than competing products, and lacks some features that the others have at the ~$500 price point but for whatever it's selling like mad. If apple can make a computer with a mix of price and valued features that matches the ipod i think we might see apple return to 5-10% market share in a couple years. Now the question we have is: What makes the iPod sell like mad, but PowerMacs sell so poorly? All of that assumes that people who buy MP3 players are also people who would buy a computer - which I think is a fairly reasonable assumption. Are they looking for the same price/feature mix in a computer that they are with a music player? I don't know. Weren't their notebook sales fairly high though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Weren't their notebook sales fairly high though? Yeah, but the iBooks and 12'' PB are cheaper then most decent x86 laptops and have much better battery life... Even the 15'' isnt bad, but the 17'' gets pretty expensive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Weren't their notebook sales fairly high though? Portable macs account for about 7% of the north american notebook computer market and half of the macintosh systems sold are notebooks. Unfortunately the portable computer market is much smaller than the desktop market. if you own a computer it's unlikely you own a notebook. if you own a macintosh it's a 50:50 chance you have a desktop if you on a desktop computer, it's very unlikely you own a macintosh (<10) if you own a portable computer, it's still pretty unlikely you own a mac (<7%) Q: Are apple portables selling comparatively well because 1) They're better than any other portables an people know it 2) The ~$1000 price tag of an iBook is low enough that more people who otherwise want but can't or won't afford a mac will get one It's only $200 difference between an eMac and iBook and the iBook offers a lot for the money. I'm trying not to go into the "apple needs a low cost headless imac" discussion because I'm not sure that's on topic in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuka_t Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 but convince people that the alternatives suck to me that implies you think pc's suck im not an apple hater. a year ago if you asked me what i wanted most in the world it wouldv been a 12" pb. but i couldnt afford one and now ive gotten over it and love my pc. what makes the ipod sell lke mad is the same reason windows sells like mad. the average person whith little knowlege of mp3 players will go and buy the pretty ipod they saw the tv commercial for. the ipod is THE hdd mp3 player just like windows is THE desktop OS. they cant make another product thats THE x cause the market is already taken. AMD adn Intel are releasing faster proccesors and with pci-express coing out aplle will be playing catch up agian (like with usb 2). there are already pvp and microsoft is making the portable windows media centers. the thing is there is a lot more money on the pc side to esperiment adn inovate. there is also a lot of competition to keep prices low. other than pvp's speed bumps and more connections i really cant think of anything apple can do to get another ipodish success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macman87 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 i really cant think of anything apple can do to get another ipodish success. thats why ur not the ceo of apple and steve is :p the reason why the ipod is successful is not because the ipod s the hdd mp3 player... there are other hdd mp3 players in the world too u no, even before the ipod... and also i am just wondering, hw u got over the 12" powerbook and then love ur pc again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I tried, but to hell with it. but convince people that the alternatives suckto me that implies you think pc's suck What I think doesn't matter: apple needs to convince the people who aren't buying their product to change their views from "Wintel is excellent" or "Wintel is good enough" to "Wintel isn't worth it anymore". Most consumers won't bother to change their platform until what they know isn't good enough anymore (or at least until they think that's true).what makes the ipod sell lke mad is the same reason windows sells like mad. the average person whith little knowlege of mp3 players will go and buy the pretty ipod they saw the tv commercial for Windows comes bundled on 95% of the computers sold today. To not get Windows you have to go out of your way. On the other hand iPods are hard to find - only a handful of stores carry them: I live in a city of about 1 million people, and it's one of the richest in the country - there are fewwer than 10 stores you can buy ipods and at any given time one or two are going to be sold out. Tack on Apple.com/ca and a few other online retailers - but the distribution isn't anywhere close to windows. Also, when was the last time you saw a Windows XP commercial? I'm not certain advertising is the key, apple advertised the hell out of powermacs/powerbooks and they still haven't sold as well as the ipod. . the ipod is THE hdd mp3 player just like windows is THE desktop OS.On what grounds? Price, technical sofistication, the one "everyone" has?they cant make another product thats THE x cause the market is already taken. Apple used to have the desktop os market 'back in the day'. Netscape used to have the browser market 'back in the day'. and WordPerfect used to have the word processor market 'back in the day'. Things might be microsoft dominated for now and the short term future, but that's no guarantee that's the way things will stay that way forever. AMD adn Intel are releasing faster proccesorsSo is IBM - right now the PPC970 is competitive with AMD/Intels best, and Apple has promised 50% more clock speed by this summer. Intel has plans for 3.8 or maybe 4ghz for the same time. Also, Apple has an OS that will actually allow a machine to use >4gb of ram shipping (something microsoft has yet to deliever for x86-64).Also, IBM has 64-bit chips that run cool. The newest 970 in the xServe uses 25w typical and an estimated 55w max. Intels latest chips use 125w. pci-express "One day soon we'll have this". In the mean time, apple's already shipping systems with PCI-X. If pci express is worth having (when it finally comes out) then apple can use it too. coing out aplle will be playing catch up agian (like with usb 2) Do you mean USB 2 the slow one that was renamed (which apple has been shipping forever), or do you mean USB2 - the new one, that still performs slower than old firewire 400 and is schooled by firewire 800? example: http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10118 They added USB 2 because it was requested by customers, not because they didn't have superior solutions (most apple desktops sold in the last couple years have USB2 ports - the drivers just don't provide that functionality. A simple hack will enable them, but most people didnt care until recently). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodan Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I think the most of the people don't realize the real economic value of a Mac. Is it true that is more expensive than a Windows Machine, but how long will it last, compared to the Windows based PC? And most of all, how much will a Mac worth, if you want to sell it a buy a new one? I tell you that, a lot, lot more!!! PC's hardware sometimes don't last the way it took from the store to your house, and if you want to sell it, the price is half the one you've paid, just as you've exit the store. I've had PC since this summer, a very cool one, AMD 2600+, 512 Mb, DVD-RW, 19" inch monitor... etc... it had less than 6 months of life, and i've managed to sell it for less than half the price i've paid it.. because it was OLD! :blink: A friend of mine, sold and old G3 ibook, the 800mhz one, 3 years old, for 650 ?.... name a Notebook PC, 3 years old that could be used different from a doorstand (that this sarcastically). And the ibook could handle very well Panther (i've tried it myself...), try to install WindowsXP on the 3 years old Notebook. I think, that Macs are like BMW or Mercedes, they cost more, but can you see the face of car delaer when you come with a BMW telling him that you want a new car, and try to go there with a Rover!);) That's my 2 Cents thought of course! PS: I can't wait to see what will Apple annouce later this day! yummmm!:D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Veteran Posted January 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 24, 2004 the problem is that most people don't know of other alternatives to windows.. they think windows rules the world.. they don't see apple as an option... and most people don;t really care about the computer they use... Correct. Microsoft is in a monopoly. They have too much money to spend promoting the product that it is now market leader. Apple build professional PC's for professionals. Microsoft create easy software for standard end-users that want to use Word or just browse the internet. My view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeron Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I reckon they'll give up... ...I'll get my coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanPete Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 im hoping they are going to start adhearing to their slogon and start thinking different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bLiZZaRd1284 Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 i hope its something cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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