Don Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I havnt read every post here so im not sure if someone has said this already, but, im not sure about the UK, but different areas of the US are WAY different than others, for instance, I live in california, and its a very liberal state, other states are very conservative, but if u have never been to the US, you cant really judge it from what you see on TV, because the news is BS, someone posted about all of the violence in the US, its really not that bad, im not scared to go outside and I live in a supposed bad area, but I will say, George Bush sucks. just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfessorX Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 one thing is for sure Football(aka "Soccer" in the USA ) and cricket are way better than american football and baseball and both sports (soccer and cricket) are played more widely played around the world than the latter sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 ,Jan 13 2004, 11:32] I find very flawed the argument that a culture os not valid because its age, thats all, the greates writters of all time are from other centuries and still, the most influential writters in the world humanisnms are european too, that was my point. I wasn't arguing that a culture becomes invalid, but that the older it gets the less important it is in a current context. Consider the art of Rome, which inspired many artists in the Renaissance. Once the new art form came about, the old art form became less important. Also, I think a great number of American writers have very little connection to the old world writers. Some of our earliest writers did, as well as some poets, but from ... I'd say Fitzgerald on most American writers write about very American things in a distinctly American way. I think the Beat Generation is the prime example of this, but even Steinbeck wrote a number of books that are American novels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted January 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 13, 2004 Sure, sure - often I feel that's the only reason he wrote half of what he did. Contradictions aside - his actual beliefs, as he wrote them, I tend to disagree with far too often. oh no, he had a whole point rich of ideologies, but its because you disagree you dont dig and explore his ideals, :), me? I have read 4 of his books and get his point clearly want some 20th century poets? Dylan Thomas William B Yeats (well, he won a nobel prize in the 20th century so I count him as a 20th century poet) Seamus Heaney Wilfred Owen ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 HAHA! that made me laugh!buts thats not true at all now UK Rocks! US is full of Americans! lol! joke bring on the flames! Britain has a better politics system and constitution FLEXIBLE! Not like America, where people are being killed everyday becuase of gun crime But no one can do anything about it! Coz the constitution to too hard to change! WAKE UP PEOPLE! The right to bear arms is the cause fo this problem but your hands are tied! the right to bear arms is good, epsecially when u have people like George Bush in control who wants to be a dictator with his "patriot act" where they control everything we do. edit: on another note, you cant beleive everything you hear in the news, and the statistics are BS, people die everyday from guns, and people die every day from cancer, and people die everyday from getting hit by cars, and more than all of those, people die everyday from doctors mistakes in hospitols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted January 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 13, 2004 I wasn't arguing that a culture becomes invalid, but that the older it gets the less important it is in a current context. Consider the art of Rome, which inspired many artists in the Renaissance. Once the new art form came about, the old art form became less important. agreed, but personally I dont see the new american culture making an impact as important as other cultures did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eXclusive Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 US - UK Beer - Tea :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 and as for the french all i can say is that you'r obviously not from the Uk, if your american think of them as canadian And how should we think of Canadians, hmmm? :shifty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted January 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 13, 2004 For an island as small as us to have such a standing worldwide has gotta be a good sign that we just plain and simply own :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanPete Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 QUOTE (CubanPete @ Jan 13 2004, 11:14)and as for the french all i can say is that you'r obviously not from the Uk, if your american think of them as canadian And how should we think of Canadians, hmmm? I think you misunderstood, i have nothing against the canadians but i was aware the canadians didnt really like the americans and vice versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanPete Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Can i just say i love this topic, its so good reading all this stuff, well done Filippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I think you misunderstood, i have nothing against the canadians but i was aware the canadians didnt really like the americans and vice versa I think thats way blown up, I dont know anyone who really has anything against canadians(im american) ive been to canada, and everyone was nice to me, I know a few people who live in canada, and although we always joke around about our countries, we dont have anything against eachother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowcountryRev Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 WAKE UP PEOPLE! The right to bear arms is the cause fo this problem but your hands are tied! The right to bear arms was included in the US constitution in order to allow the colonists to protect themselves from the British soldiers who were stationed here. The idea is that each individual has the right to protect their property. I am not saying that the right hasn't been abused but it is an incorrect generalization to say that Americans cannot walk the streets for fear of being shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-52Stratofortress Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 For an island as small as us to have such a standing worldwide has gotta be a good sign that we just plain and simply own :cool: You've lost the colonial land but retained the political influence, but it will too fade away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 The right to bear arms was included in the US constitution in order to allow the colonists to protect themselves from the British soldiers who were stationed here. The idea is that each individual has the right to protect their property. This is not to say that the right has been abused but it is an incorrect generalization to say that Americans cannot walk the streets for fear of being shot. what problem? like ive said 2 times already, dont beleive everything you hear in the news, its not as big of problem as the news makes it sound.. just think for a minute about this.. I know it sounds unlikely in this day and age.. but its a lot more possible than more people think.. what if the people in power decide to go against their own people.. say.. George Bush(just for example) decides he wants to stay in charge of the government forever as our sole leader instead of people voting to see if he makes it next term. and he brings the soliders out on us and starts killing anyone who doesnt agree, until he has a dictatorship.. of course saying this I sound crazy but just think of our history, think about Hitler, if we cant fight for ourselves, we are just slaves. edit: sorry I was meaning to quote the person you quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-52Stratofortress Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Right to bear arms has been abused, but so has been every princible of freedom, should we therefore ban freedom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRKx Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I have read 4 of his books and get his point clearlyYou must get better translations than we do - because most people I know, who read the original German, or the English translations tend to spend most of their time scratching their heads. ^_^ I've spent my fair share of time exploring his works as well, I've finished, and own Beyond Good and Evil, The Will to Power, Ecco Homo, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and also 'Human, All to Human'. He simply doesn't 'do it' for me. Though that doesn't mean I don't disregard his importance in the world of philosophy. After all, most of Freud's beliefs have been proven wrong or otherwise disputed - but that doesn't lessen /his/ importance in the world of psychology any.want some 20th century poets? (list cut by me.) All great poets - especially Dylan Thomas and Seamus Heany. Did you know Heany, even though yes he's Irish, is also a member of the American Academy of Arts and Letters? I think by now, I've probably listed my fair share of 20th century poets - but, just to be safe, I'll throw in Allen Ginsberg - if for no other reason than he deserves to be mentioned. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingZero Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 US rover Spirit is walking on Mars, while UK Beagle 2 got lost. That is what is different between the two! UK Beagle 2's main server was running linux ( if i remember correctly ). On topic though, politically-speaking, the only main difference between the US/UK is the Europe issue. Aside from that, Tony Blair is George Dubya's little doggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ficman Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 US is the GREATEST free country on the Planet... :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRKx Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I think thats way blown up, I dont know anyone who really has anything against canadians(im american) ive been to canada, and everyone was nice to me, I know a few people who live in canada, and although we always joke around about our countries, we dont have anything against eachother. I have to second that. As an American who goes to Canada constantly for personal as well as business reasons (Well, the business part is now past tense...) and has also lived there, I've never encountered the least bit of... anything. The fact that I'm an American has always been a complete non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-52Stratofortress Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 The Constitution owes its staying power to its simplicity and flexibility. Originally designed to provide a framework for governing 4 million people in 13 very different states along America's Atlantic coast, its basic provisions were so soundly conceived that, with only 27 amendments, it now serves the needs of more than 280 million Americans in 50 even more diverse states that stretch from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific. What have the British to counter that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted January 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 13, 2004 You must get better translations than we do - because most people I know, who read the original German, or the English translations tend to spend most of their time scratching their heads. I dont know why, its not hard to get, maybe I got it because Im obssesed with existencialism and nihilism, I tend to read everything about it as much as I can :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 ,Jan 13 2004, 12:18] agreed, but personally I dont see the new american culture making an impact as important as other cultures did well, for the most part our fine arts are really only appreciated by Americans. Probably a lot of our artistic movements don't even make much sense unless you live here. But our popular culture, on the other hand, is more massive than anyone can imagine. Like I said before, McDonalds and Mickey Mouse (heck, let's throw in Michael Jackson for alliteration) are world wide cultural icons, for better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted January 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 13, 2004 well, for the most part our fine arts are really only appreciated by Americans. Probably a lot of our artistic movements don't even make much sense unless you live here. But our popular culture, on the other hand, is more massive than anyone can imagine. Like I said before, McDonalds and Mickey Mouse (heck, let's throw in Michael Jackson for alliteration) are world wide cultural icons, for better or worse. thats another thing, and please, dont take it as a flame, but I find horrendous the fact that the american people let that their "pop culture" take more importance that their cultural/artistic one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudda Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 US - UK Beer - Tea :blink: tea is a horrible drink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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