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What do Neowinians think?  

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  1. 1. Do you think Global Warming is caused by human carbon emissions?

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    • No
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    • Unsure
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  2. 2. Should we use the precautionary principle until we know for certain whether carbon dioxide causes global warming?

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TPreston    5,384
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27 minutes ago, Jim K said:

Full article at The New York Times

 

Couple of findings from the leaked document.

 

  • The last few years have seen “record-breaking, climate-related, weather extremes as well as the warmest years on record for the globe.”
  • Scientists found with “very high” confidence that the global annual average temperature (measured over land and ocean) increased more than 1.6 degrees Fahrenheit between 1880 and 2015.
  • There are “many lines of evidence” to show that human activities were “primarily responsible for observed climate changes in the industrial era.”
  • Even if humans stopped emitting greenhouse gases today, the earth would still warm up 0.5 degrees Fahrenheit over this century because of the already existing levels in the atmosphere.   
  • Extreme weather events are occurring more frequently and have become more intense. The warmest days have become warmer since the early 1960s and extreme heat waves have become more frequent.
  • Overall, it has rained more heavily and more frequently in the U.S. since 1901, and the highest increase has been observed in the northeastern part of the U.S.
  • Oceans have risen 8-9 inches since 1880, the report found with “very high confidence,” citing human activity as making a “substantial contribution” to that rise.
  • Oceans are getting increasingly acidic because they are absorbing a quarter of the  carbon dioxide produced from man-made activities, which is a growing threat to marine life.

Compiled by Vice

Pft who needs that sciency stuff We got Alternative Facts! We get our Science from BreitBart & The Daily Mail!

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Jim K    8,917

 

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wakjak    6,919

I guess we should change this topic title to "Weather Extremes".

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Draconian Guppy    12,427

For an average joe like me

 

1. Is  there enough science to predict normal climate patterns? eg. are we currently in a "warming period" or "cooling period"?  

 

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Jim K    8,917
25 minutes ago, Draconian Guppy said:

For an average joe like me

 

1. Is  there enough science to predict normal climate patterns? eg. are we currently in a "warming period" or "cooling period"?  

 

Yes.  There is a scientific consensus that we're destabilizing the climate (+1.6 F in less than 135 years and another .5 predicted by 2100) yet we (as a civilization) are in denial.  So, we are in a "warming period" ... much quicker than previous warming/cooling periods

 

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As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.

(source)

 

Science is unable to predict, with certainty, what will happen in the future ... as stated by the leaked National Climate Assessment report ...

 

"Humanity is conducting an unprecedented experiment with the Earth's climate system through emissions from large-scale fossil-fuel combustion, widespread deforestation and other changes to the atmosphere and landscape. While researchers and policymakers must rely on climate model projections for a representative picture of the further Earth system on these conditions, there are still elements of the Earth system that models do not capture well.  For this reason, there is significant potential for humankind's planetary experiment to result in unanticipated surprises —and the further and faster the Earth's climate system is changed, the greater the risk of such surprises."

 

Anyway, the quicker civilization pulls their fingers out of their ears ... the better for future generations.

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TPreston    5,384

 

9 minutes ago, Jim K said:

Yes.  There is a scientific consensus that we're destabilizing the climate (+1.6 F in less than 135 years and another .5 predicted by 2100) yet we (as a civilization) are in denial.  So, we are in a "warming period" ... much quicker than previous warming/cooling periods

Ie Decades not hundreds of thousands of years.

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Draconian Guppy    12,427
12 minutes ago, Jim K said:

Yes.  There is a scientific consensus that we're destabilizing the climate (+1.6 F in less than 135 years and another .5 predicted by 2100) yet we (as a civilization) are in denial.  So, we are in a "warming period" ... much quicker than previous warming/cooling periods

 

 

Hmm let me rephrase,

It has been well established that earth goes through warm/cooling periods. So what you are saying is, we are currently in a warming period AND our activities are causing a 1.6F in said warming period?

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Jim K    8,917
1 minute ago, Draconian Guppy said:

Hmm let me rephrase,

It has been well established that earth goes through warm/cooling periods. So what you are saying is, we are currently in a warming period AND our activities are causing a 1.6F in said warming period?

Yep ... pretty much.

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TPreston    5,384
1 minute ago, Draconian Guppy said:

Hmm let me rephrase,

It has been well established that earth goes through warm/cooling periods. So what you are saying is, we are currently in a warming period AND our activities are causing a 1.6F in said warming period?

The warming you are reefing to occurs over tens of thousands of years its effect over 100 years is negligible.

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Draconian Guppy    12,427
13 minutes ago, Jim K said:

Yep ... pretty much.

Ok.

 

So whats to say, when the cooling period happens, it won't be colder?

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Draconian Guppy    12,427
16 minutes ago, TPreston said:

The warming you are reefing to occurs over tens of thousands of years its effect over 100 years is negligible.

so how is it applicable to what i'm asking?

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Jim K    8,917
11 minutes ago, Draconian Guppy said:

Ok.

 

So whats to say, when the cooling period happens, it won't be colder?

What cooling period ... what evidence is there that a cooling period is coming?  Have any sources for this question ... or is it just a "what if" ?  As stated previously ... it is estimated that another 0.5 degrees F is projected by 2100.

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Draconian Guppy    12,427
39 minutes ago, Jim K said:

What cooling period ... what evidence is there that a cooling period is coming?  Have any sources for this question ... or is it just a "what if" ?  As stated previously ... it is estimated that another 0.5 degrees F is projected by 2100.

Isn't established that earth goes through warm and cool periods?

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Jim K    8,917
15 minutes ago, Draconian Guppy said:

Isn't established that earth goes through warm and cool periods?

Yes... but not at the present blistering (pun intended) pace.

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Emn1ty    3,222
1 hour ago, TPreston said:

And only skeptics? What about when anyone misrepresents the research (Al Gore comes to mind)? Regardless, it' was a good read and demonstrates why people should read the entirety of an article rather than just the headline and the first paragraph.

This is probably one of my favorite, pro-climate change articles. Because it doesn't try to dance around the facts or sensationalize anything. Thank you for this article, @TPreston.

 

 

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TPreston    5,384
On ‎06‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 2:57 PM, Fresh said:

Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

 

The Mail on Sunday can reveal a landmark paper exaggerated global warming

It was rushed through and timed to influence the Paris agreement on climate change

America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration broke its own rules

The report claimed the pause in global warming never existed, but it was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html#ixzz4XuvCpmr5
 

Exposed: How the Daily Mail Fabricated Quotes And Duped Millions Of People Including The House Committee On Science Space and Technology!

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4891046/IPSO-adjudication-upheld-against-MoS-climatesciencearticle.html

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