Mars actually BLUE ? NASA tampering?


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Yeah, we had a thread about this already.

Look, nobody can simply prove, or show evidence, that NASA is doing anything wrong. Reason being, there has never, ever, ever been a more detailed, technologically advanced mission on that planet until now. So, what facts or evidence do these conspiracy theorists have to compare? Just because some rocks are blue doesn't mean the planet will appear blue in a picture. That's like saying our sky here on Earth should be green/blue, or actually, a whole rainbow of colors. And just because iron ore here on Earth is scientifically studied one way, it does not mean iron ore (if it exists) on Mars will be the exact same way.

And regarding the colored photos...I simply believe that the red pictures we are shown have just developed that way, plain and simple. Once the expedition gains full steam, we will then see the real, true pictures we were meant to see in the first place. Fact is, we simply do not know what is going on. Maybe the camera has malfunctioned? Maybe in all of the time it takes for data to travel that distance, some of the color information is lost?

Simply stated, there is no reasoning behind NASA mis-informing the public. Yeah, governments keep stuff from people, mostly out of caution for national security. But, what the hell purpose would altering photos serve? Not to mention, when the day comes for man to go to Mars and he finds out NASA has been lying...there goes the whole space program into the dumps.

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obviously that panorama image is a mosaic of many small images.

data from mars is coming in at 11kb/s, 5times slower than dialup.

source images are of very high resolution, obviously it takes very long time to transmit them.

i think those images were taken during different light conditions and nasa/jpl/whoever color-"unified" them to make it more pleasing and familiar to the eye.

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i just posted the links for people to read and make up their own minds not complain to me on why the rgb conversions and ground telescope + hubble pictures show a blue atmosphere though :)

But, what the hell purpose would altering photos serve?

They "may" or they "may" not be no one knows and nasa has not said anything "yet", we just have to wait. they, for all we know mars surface may look like earth in almost every way like a desert wasteland or the remnants of a watery bed you never know...

also, another high quality pictures of mars

http://www.msss.com/mars/pictures/usgs_color_mosaics/334.jpg

not as red from this quality

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maybe Nasa tampered with beagle so that everybody wouldn't find out the truth! :o

or they could be blocking the transmission somehow.

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Nasa often artificially colors their images to define certain details, or make objects more visible etc...

I do not not believe that Mars is "blue" as you say. It is red because of the strong presence of iron oxides found in its rocks and soil.

As for the presence of "watery beds" we know that Mars does indeed have water, or at least in the form of ice which is locked beneath the earth at it's polar caps. Mariner 9, which entered Mars orbit back in 1971 mapped its northern hemisphere and picked up what apeared to be dried up river beds. Therefore it is possible that at one point water may have flowed across its surface. Water means life and is why scientists have been interested in Mars for so long now.

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No, its not going to be blue until you turn the underground alien generator on, apparently there is some kind of handprint on it that will generate oxygen on the planet. There was a documentary on about it a few years ago.

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i just posted the links for people to read and make up their own minds not complain to me on why the rgb conversions and ground telescope + hubble pictures show a blue atmosphere though :)

They "may" or they "may" not be no one knows and nasa has not said anything "yet", we just have to wait. they, for all we know mars surface may look like earth in almost every way like a desert wasteland or the remnants of a watery bed you never know...

also, another high quality pictures of mars

http://www.msss.com/mars/pictures/usgs_color_mosaics/334.jpg

not as red from this quality

Nice picture :). Don't get me wrong dude, I'm not trying to defeat your purpose for the question at all. I mean, I have questions about certain things too - JFK being a prime example. It's common knowledge that a really good conspiracy theory must have arguments from both sides. And you are correct, NASA hasn't said anything either way, so we won't really know until they do release a statement.

And regarding that high quality picture; I could argue the fact that from space, Earth looks about as clean as a brand new Porsche, but I know that when I look out over the city, I see alot of brown in the air, alot of dirt and pollutants. But, as long as those beautiful pictures keep coming out (I'm a huge astronomy fan on the inside), it makes for a good conversation and educational piece :)

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obviously that panorama image is a mosaic of many small images.

data from mars is coming in at 11kb/s, 5times slower than dialup.

source images are of very high resolution, obviously it takes very long time to transmit them.

i think those images were taken during different light conditions and nasa/jpl/whoever color-"unified" them to make it more pleasing and familiar to the eye.

that low? on the nasa website they had max capable est ~ at 0 - 150

im not sure i agree...i can't imagine nasa putting a camera on that thing which would take slow photo's over several hours, perhaps a camera which takes many many photos storing them in memory, because theres no way they are going to send a rover to mars without loading it up on memory/storage to hold the photos taken.. just basic understand should mean that they only have certain times they can recieve and transmit data because of the rotation of the planet, how many satiltes are around it? if there is only 1 that wont provide constant access. nasa making the pictures nice for our viewing seems very real tho maybeeven to show some specific details

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No, its not going to be blue until you turn the underground alien generator on, apparently there is some kind of handprint on it that will generate oxygen on the planet. There was a documentary on about it a few years ago.

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Mars rotation is very similar to our own infact. 24hrs and 37 minutes.

:/ if the rover is facing the sun/away from earth...how can it transmit a signal to earth?

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Mars does have a blue sky and a red surface (caused by iron oxide). However, Mars also has very strong (and regular) dust storms. Since the dust is so fine, you end up with a reddish sky a lot of the time. NASA probably are adjusting the colours in the images (for whatever reason)... whats the big deal? It happens in photos taken every day here on earth.

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Wow. I guess I was pointing my home telescope at the wrong planet all this time. Oh well. Time to use it for more worthwhile endeavors... <points towards sexy neighbor's house> :laugh: :shifty:

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Is our blue still blue on mars? One would think that the color spectrum would be radically different and therefore cameras would likewise view colors differently...

Not only that, but our atmosphere is different from that on Mars (as well as the dust storms that have been mentioned.)

Such effects of certain colours changing can be easily evidenced here on earth - one merely needs to look up pictures of things that were taken underwater and then compare them to pictures taken on land.

In water, for instance, as you go down deeper, the non-blue and non-green rays of the sun can no longer penetrate - causing everything to appear more blue and green than it truly is.

Who's to say the atmosphere of Mars doesn't have a similar effect on the colour of things? Sufficient quantities of any gas would have the same effect. Like was already mentioned as well, just look at the air around any poluted city.

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up to 150kbit if going thru mars oribiting satellite(s).

directly from lander it's at 11kbit

But aren't all the images taken by the lander relayed to earth via the orbitting satellite?

IMO, Eventhough NASA is known to modify the pictures for convenience in visibility/distinction or for whatever other reason, I still think they should also have an unmodified copy of the image taken directly by the lander open to the public, and I think there should be no problems for NASA in doing that since they indeed don't have anything to hide do they?

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Is our blue still blue on mars? One would think that the color spectrum would be radically different and therefore cameras would likewise view colors differently...

The color spectrum doesn't change when you travel. Even if they were, your eyes and brain can only see the color spectrum a certain way. The color of daylight on earth, due to the atmosphere, has a blue-ish tint. On Mars, it's obviously going to be less blue because of a thinner atmosphere, and end up being closer to the actual color given off by the sun. If you look into photography and video information, you'll note the term White Balance. Outdoors is known as blue, flourescent lighting as green, incandescent as yellow, etc. You can see it with your own eyes if you put two light sources side-by-side.

If the rover was able to physically send some Mars soil back to earth, it would probably still be red until it reacted to our atmosphere (oxidization.)

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:woot: OOOooooooohhhh! Can I please elaborate on the subject???!!!! Please!!! Can I, huh? I would just LOOOOVE to talk about this, but due to previous curcumstances, I probably should keep my thoughts to myself. :blush:

I mean, I wouldn't want anyone to get disturbed over anything.

:unsure: Ya know?

WE NEVER ..... uh........ I mean, we don't have enough proof that Nasa is JOLTING us or anything.

:whistle:

Ok, I'm done. :p

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Have a read of this. It would seem that 30 years ago NASA was not ready for the world to see green things on Mars:

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Also, anyone have a look at the sky on the nasa presentation conference screen?

MARS_ROVER.sff_RS103_20040110150347.jpg

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