Windows 10 Is The Worst OS Ever Created.

[sc302 Veteran]

2 minutes ago, warwagon said:

SSD?  If not an SSD I could play Devils Advocate and say when you turn your computer in Windows 10 its not doing a clean boot like Windows 7 is, in a sense... it's just waking up.

 

 

well you could, I guess.  But yes ssd. 

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

This is the first place I ever heard of a Windows OS being referred to as a Distro. This thread belongs in the Jokes section.

[Circaflex]

40 minutes ago, Ravensky said:

you turned this into a personal attack when you called my post FUD btw... I don't need to verify a hash to know it's not corrupt... /thx

Well, I call a spade a spade, your post was FUD, sorry to burst your bubble. I guess you will ignore any advice and I wish you the best of luck in the future.

[TheReaperMan]

2 hours ago, warwagon said:

Correct, I hate FUD being spread around

MD5 hashes have been compromised, so I am not posting FUD.

 

example

 

https://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/SoftIntCodeSign/

 

If you read some other security posts on the subject it can be done, I am not saying it has or that it is a easy task 

 

I just do not get why anyone would trust a file hosted by a third party, from some tracker or site as you can not be 100% sure that the file has not been altered.

 

The only way to know 100%  that it has not been tampered with, is to get it from the source, in this case Microsoft.

 

That the was the point I was trying to make to the OP at the time to make sure they had a clean file.

[+Warwagon MVC]

1 minute ago, TheReaperMan said:

The only way to know 100%  that it has not been tampered with, is to get it from the source, in this case Microsoft.

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yes.. MD5 hashes have been insecure for a while. which is why everyone is now using SHA1. Not sure MD5 was even mentioned in this thread.

 

Audacity & Classic Shell Download Server Hacked by PeggleCrew.

 

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/audacity-and-classic-shell-download-server-hacked-by-pegglecrew-/

 

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It should go without saying that you should scan an executable before running it, even if it's coming from a trusted source. As the last few years have shown, though, a false sense of security loves to bite people over and over again.

 

On August 2nd 2016, for three hours, an external developer had their account compromised on Audacity's and Classic Shell's download server FossHub and was used to replace the legitimate installer with a malware that overwrite the master boot record. Thanks to the quick response of the Audacity team they quickly moved to take down the rogue download before too many people were affected.

 

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[Nerd Rage]

Why argue about hashes?  It's easy enough to download directly from the source, Microsoft.

[Noir Angel]

I've downloaded builds of Windows 10 through torrents (usually they, admittedly, were either still encrypted ESDs or unaltered ISO files from MSDN), people ought to stop moral panicking over torrents and just make an attempt to answer the question properly.

I see I'm not the only one to mention it, but the biggest possibilities are infected USB stick, hacked BIOS with malware, and a hijacked router. Windows 10 is far from perfect, but if malware is being installed out of the box, it's a pretty damn obvious sign that something else is majorly wrong. To verify whether it's your installation source or something else, do the following:

-Get a brand new USB pen drive. Don't plug it into your computer or use it on the network the infected PC is on
-Download the installation files somewhere else completely isolated from your normal setup. Don't use the same router, or the same computers
-Install from the pen drive onto a different computer, again one that's never been on your main network or connected to your router.

If you get malware, it's the installation sources. If it's not, you have a serious problem.

[HelgenX]

Holy mother of god. 2 hours later I could get to this webpage. I have no ######## clue what is going on, but I had tons of trojans, spyware, some ###### called netutils (adwcleaner is not removing it, keeps coming back,) I had a web browser hijacker and tons of popups, and I didn't even get to install anything yet, they just installed on their own. I only needed Windows 10 for some audio programs, but how am I to trust it if it's installing all this crazy stuff after a fresh install on it's own!?

 

Also, Windows Defender was disabled on it's own and I couldn't enable it because somehow it was disabled in the registry and gpedit couldn't open (was also disabled,) local policies disabled. I managed to remove the reg key and enable defender, but I'm still having a lot of problems at this very moment. I must ave used adwcleaner and restarted about 10 times so far. This is ridiculous.

[adrynalyne]

1 hour ago, Ravensky said:

Yeah ok pal, I download directly from MS and no one else. In this day and age it's easier and I don't have to hash the stupid file to know it's good when I get it directly from MS, go argue with your wall please...

Until the ISO is corrupt and you get a bad install because you didn't check the hash. Your bad habits do not constitute good computing standards. 

1 hour ago, satukoro said:

Not without trial and error you don't.

I wish I could add more likes to this. There is literally no other way than trial and error. 

[satukoro]

18 minutes ago, Nerd Rage said:

Why argue about hashes?  It's easy enough to download directly from the source, Microsoft.

It's just as easy to argue about DNS spoofing/poising. Despite it not happening frequently, it's still possible.

[+Warwagon MVC]

7 minutes ago, HelgenX said:

Holy mother of god. 2 hours later I could get to this webpage. I have no ######## clue what is going on, but I had tons of trojans, spyware, some ###### called netutils (adwcleaner is not removing it, keeps coming back,) I had a web browser hijacker and tons of popups, and I didn't even get to install anything yet, they just installed on their own. I only needed Windows 10 for some audio programs, but how am I to trust it if it's installing all this crazy stuff after a fresh install on it's own!?

 

Also, Windows Defender was disabled on it's own and I couldn't enable it because somehow it was disabled in the registry and gpedit couldn't open (was also disabled,) local policies disabled. I managed to remove the reg key and enable defender, but I'm still having a lot of problems at this very moment. I must ave used adwcleaner and restarted about 10 times so far. This is ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

Lets start ruling some things out.

 

1) Check your router's DNS and then factory reset your router.

2) Goto someones house who has Windows 10 and a burner and burn yourself a windows 10 install DVD from a known good computer using the media creation tool...ak.a not the one you are on now. 

2) If you have spare hard drive remove the current drive and install Windows onto the spare.

[AeonicVision]

I'm wondering if you're creating your install media from a compromised device, or if the media itself (USB stick?) has been compromised itself?

Try using the Media Creation Tool on an unrelated machine (a friend or family member's machine) using a new storage device, and use it to solid wipe the install drive before installing Windows 10 clean.

Also, BootCamp has never downloaded Windows for me.  This makes me wonder if your macOS install is compromised as well?

[satukoro]

8 minutes ago, HelgenX said:

Holy mother of god. 2 hours later I could get to this webpage. I have no ######## clue what is going on, but I had tons of trojans, spyware, some ###### called netutils (adwcleaner is not removing it, keeps coming back,) I had a web browser hijacker and tons of popups, and I didn't even get to install anything yet, they just installed on their own. I only needed Windows 10 for some audio programs, but how am I to trust it if it's installing all this crazy stuff after a fresh install on it's own!?

 

Also, Windows Defender was disabled on it's own and I couldn't enable it because somehow it was disabled in the registry and gpedit couldn't open (was also disabled,) local policies disabled. I managed to remove the reg key and enable defender, but I'm still having a lot of problems at this very moment. I must ave used adwcleaner and restarted about 10 times so far. This is ridiculous.

If all you need windows for is some audio programs, you might be better off at this point to install your preferred linux distro or something and just run wine. Or better yet just install wine on your mac. Or you could install that Windows 7 iso that you had no trouble with.

[+Warwagon MVC]

While you are at it.. run shields up to check for any open ports on that router https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

[Riggers]

26 minutes ago, TheReaperMan said:

MD5 hashes have been compromised, so I am not posting FUD.

 

example

 

https://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/SoftIntCodeSign/

 

If you read some other security posts on the subject it can be done, I am not saying it has or that it is a easy task 

 

I just do not get why anyone would trust a file hosted by a third party, from some tracker or site as you can not be 100% sure that the file has not been altered.

 

The only way to know 100%  that it has not been tampered with, is to get it from the source, in this case Microsoft.

 

That the was the point I was trying to make to the OP at the time to make sure they had a clean file.

Microsoft (or CDN) downloads could also be compromised..The hash is there for a reason! Not trying to start any arguments as some seem to be in this thread, just saying nothing is perfect...

Also i`m going with dodgy media/infected router or possibly aliens

[Sulphy]

I call PEBKAC issue

[satukoro]

1 minute ago, Riggers said:

Microsoft (or CDN) downloads could also be compromised..The hash is there for a reason! Not trying to start any arguments as some seem to be in this thread, just saying nothing is perfect...

Also i`m going with dodgy media/infected router or possibly aliens

At this point it might as well be aliens.

[HelgenX]

I'm using MacOS Sierra, it has an option a tool for downloading the ISO in the same way as Windows has the upgrade advisor tool and I've also used the tool for Windows on my Windows 7 rig to download the ISO and the same thing has happened even though my Windows 7 computer is clean as a whistle.

 

I am aware that my USB stick could have a potential virus even though I've formatted it several times (now it's a Linux install USB,) but I am not really trying to deep format a USB stick as that could probably wreck it.

 

I seriously can't figure why this only happens with Windows 10, but this is the last time I will ever install this OS. This is the damn developers pushing people to have to upgrade an OS to use their software for whatever reason, otherwise, I'm perfectly happy with 7. Never had problems like this on it. You'd think by now, Microsoft products would have more security than before but the same exact problems I had back in XP are here (malware and virus wise.) I don't know how, but I've never had a virus on my Windows 7 PC since day 1 (7 years!) Using only Microsoft Security Essentials alone.

[+Warwagon MVC]

2 minutes ago, HelgenX said:

I'm using MacOS Sierra, it has an option a tool for downloading the ISO in the same way as Windows has the upgrade advisor tool and I've also used the tool for Windows on my Windows 7 rig to download the ISO and the same thing has happened even though my Windows 7 computer is clean as a whistle

 

 

 

Wait wait wait wait wait.... what tool is this? This would have been nice to known on... oh I don't know... the first post!! 

[HelgenX]

And by the way, I have fixed all the problems, but it took hours of work on a new installation and that is simply ridiculous. Actually, I should have mentioned that this was an upgrade from Windows 7 done entirely through Microsoft's portal and update service on a clean Windows 7 install!

2 minutes ago, warwagon said:

Wait wait wait wait wait.... what tool is this? This would have been nice to known on... oh I don't know... the first post!!

Bootcamp Assistant, I have already stated this multiple times. It doesn't even matter because it was still done through Microsofts server. Nonetheless, I've also stated that I've did it through Windows update too and same problem previously.

[Ve7878]

So stay on Windows 7! Windows 10 isn't a forced upgrade any more, it hasn't been since July. None of the Windows 7 updates are going to force it Windows 10.

 

Perhaps if you do keep trying to 10, try installing it without connecting to the Internet. If you're not making this up or using the same flash drive to install it surely has to be something on your network.

 

I have installed Windows 10 on thousands of computers now (Not an exaggeration, I'm an network administrator) and guess what, NONE of them have had this problem because, it's something you're doing.

[Mando]

1 hour ago, sc302 said:

May want to re read my whole post. It isn't just about torrenting the os but loading on other unverified softwares that come from torrents and other p2p sources.  It could be that the os ISO is infected, it could be that the computer downloading the os is infected, it could be that the network itself is infected, it could be that he is loading other software which is infected.  He admits to torrents, but does not go any further to verify or mitigate any thing else that could be cause other than blaming the os. 

 

I can can assure you 100% if the source checks out, the os isn't infected out of the box. There is something else going on. 

tbh i would never download any OS legit or nonlegit via torrents, its like all the dodgy Os isos, with a licence keygen or crack errr you get nothing for nothing this world, 9 times out of 10 these AIO disks and the like have backdoors and trojans baked into the image, which a post install AV will never ever see.

 

http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/microsoft_windows_iso_download_tool.html

 

the above is a very good iso downloader for Windows 7 onwards and all legit and legal MS ISOs for Office which downloads them directly from Microsoft (MD5 hash key verified), that plus going to the Microsoft site itself for the media install kit/iso from MS themselves should be the only trust worthy place to get such ISOS.

 

Now im not saying for a second the OP is using a warez version, but tbvh avoid torrent ISOS for operating systems I em like the plague, just to be safe.

 

 

[HawkMan]

2 minutes ago, HelgenX said:

I'm using MacOS Sierra, it has an option a tool for downloading the ISO in the same way as Windows has the upgrade advisor tool and I've also used the tool for Windows on my Windows 7 rig to download the ISO and the same thing has happened even though my Windows 7 computer is clean as a whistle.

 

I am aware that my USB stick could have a potential virus even though I've formatted it several times (now it's a Linux install USB,) but I am not really trying to deep format a USB stick as that could probably wreck it.

 

I seriously can't figure why this only happens with Windows 10, but this is the last time I will ever install this OS. This is the damn developers pushing people to have to upgrade an OS to use their software for whatever reason, otherwise, I'm perfectly happy with 7. Never had problems like this on it. You'd think by now, Microsoft products would have more security than before but the same exact problems I had back in XP are here (malware and virus wise.) I don't know how, but I've never had a virus on my Windows 7 PC since day 1 (7 years!) Using only Microsoft Security Essentials alone.

There is no "deep" format, a format is a format. there's quick and regular format, the only difference is non quick does a surface scan, fairly unnecessaryary on a USB stick or SSD. The issue with an infected USB isn't something a format can always fix, it's something that will probably require binning the entire drive f it's the firmware infection/rootkit. of course if it is, then your computers USB firmware is also infected along with everything else down to your mouse, that connected to it. 

 

this issue seem to deeply involved to be that though, and reeks more of a rootkit on your computer. that activated on any new OS you install that it is compatible with, which will require a complete format of the entire disk and starting fresh. 

 

It's more interesting that you're reporting issues with edge that isn't even possible with Edge. if it was an old IE version then yes, it could be, but some of the thigns you say happen in edge simply isn't possible. 

[HelgenX]

1 minute ago, Mando said:

tbh i would never download any OS legit or nonlegit via torrents, its like all the dodgy Os isos, with a licence keygen or crack errr you get nothing for nothing this world, 9 times out of 10 these AIO disks and the like have backdoors and trojans baked into the image, which a post install AV will never ever see.

 

http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/microsoft_windows_iso_download_tool.html

 

the above is a very good iso downloader for Windows 7 onwards and all legit and legal MS ISOs for Office which downloads them directly from Microsoft (MD5 hash key verified), that plus going to the Microsoft site itself for the media install kit/iso from MS themselves should be the only trust worthy place to get such ISOS.

 

Now im not saying for a second the OP is using a warez version, but tbvh avoid torrent ISOS for operating systems I em like the plague, just to be safe.

 

 

Thank you for this tool, I mean I did say I won't install Windows 10 again, but just in case maybe something happened during the download miraculously in a ###### way in the form of a trojan during the direct download from Microsoft's server, it'd be nice to have a source like this.

Just now, HawkMan said:

There is no "deep" format, a format is a format. there's quick and regular format, the only difference is non quick does a surface scan, fairly unnecessaryary on a USB stick or SSD. The issue with an infected USB isn't something a format can always fix, it's something that will probably require binning the entire drive f it's the firmware infection/rootkit. of course if it is, then your computers USB firmware is also infected along with everything else down to your mouse, that connected to it. 

Yeah, I meant regular format, don't need to be so literal. And yeah, of course I had to format the USB every single time I installed an OS to it, was always using Rufus to do so that I can have the proper bootloader every time on that drive.

[+Warwagon MVC]

13 minutes ago, HelgenX said:

I'm using MacOS Sierra, it has an option a tool for downloading the ISO 

 

 

When you say download do you mean the tool "Downloads in the ISO from the internet for you" or when you say download do you mean install or create install media?

 

Because upon research online the Official BootCamp assistance says you need to provide the ISO it won't download it for you.