+Red King Subscriber² Posted February 12, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted February 12, 2017 Quote Mexican woman in Texas sentenced to 8 years in prison for voter fraudPublished February 11, 2017 A Mexican citizen living in Texas was sentenced this week to eight years in prison for voting illegally in elections in 2012 and 2014. Rosa Maria Ortega, 37, was found guilty Wednesday on two counts of illegal voting after she falsely claimed to be a United States citizen and voted at least five times between 2012 and 2014. A jury sentenced her Thursday to eight years in prison and a $5,000 fine. [...] In addition to the long prison sentence, Ortega is likely to be deported, her lawyer Clark Birdsall said. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/11/mexican-woman-in-texas-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/us/illegal-voting-gets-texas-woman-8-years-in-prison-and-certain-deportation.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 The best part: Quote Far-right websites have seized on Ms. Ortega’s conviction as proof that Mr. Trump is right about rampant fraud and efforts by Democrats to steal the November election. There is, however, at least one flaw in that story: Ms. Ortega was a registered Republican. “She voted for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama in the 2012 election. In 2014 she voted for our current attorney general, Ken Paxton,” Mr. Birdsall said. “And guess what? He’s the one responsible for prosecuting her.” Jaybonaut, SecretAgentMan, HellboundIRL and 7 others 10 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Doesn't matter who she voted for. Anibal P, Unobscured Vision, Dick Montage and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoman Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 lol... Republican attorney general sending to jail another Republican... interesting! Jaybonaut 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Red King Subscriber² Posted February 12, 2017 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 minute ago, macoman said: lol... Republican attorney general sending to jail another Republican... interesting! 11 million to go! margrave and Jaybonaut 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahorsepip Veteran Posted February 12, 2017 Veteran Share Posted February 12, 2017 8 years?! If you shoot up a super market you get even less prison time in Europe... (assuming you got a proper lawyer that blames it on some mental condition) There's a maximum of 4 years for identity fraud here but in most cases you end up with just a fine. Edit: Forgot that sentences are in most cases just summed up in the US which means she could actually have 5 sentences of 1 year and 7 months summed up. Which then starts to make sense, besides the fact of summing up sentences. theyarecomingforyou 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Does anyone remember when a woman in Iowa said that the polls are rigged so she voted for Trump twice? SecretAgentMan, Jaybonaut, +Raze and 5 others 8 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macoman Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 11 million to go! You know that she is US citizen right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, J. X. Maxwell said: 11 million to go! ...but if 11 million Republicans were sent to jail, Hillary would have (likely) won the electoral college. 5 minutes ago, macoman said: You know that she is US citizen right? She's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 38 minutes ago, DocM said: Doesn't matter who she voted for. No, what matters is that voter fraud is statistically irrelevant yet conservatives have made it a partisan issue to suppress the vote of millions of US citizens in a manner that disproportionately affects Democrats. Preventing millions of people from voting to reduce a few hundred / thousand illegal votes is grossly disproportionate and fundamentally undemocratic. Dick Montage, SecretAgentMan, Cute James and 4 others 7 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPreston Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, J. X. Maxwell said: 11 million to go! And El Chupacabra, The greys, Bigfoot... T3X4S 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 55 minutes ago, DocM said: Doesn't matter who she voted for. Says the one who claims that mass voter fraud is a thing. SecretAgentMan, Mr. Gibs and TPreston 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiranui Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 America just loves locking people up. You'd almost think there was money to be made in doing so. Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Shiranui said: America just loves locking people up. You'd almost think there was money to be made in doing so. What would you prefer? Anarchy? Complete disdain for laws and their punishments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiranui Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: What would you prefer? Anarchy? Complete disdain for laws and their punishments? No. But the punishment should fit the crime. Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Shiranui said: No. But the punishment should fit the crime. Who are you to say what that is when these laws have been in place for a while? Voter fraud is not something to take lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anibal P Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 2 hours ago, theyarecomingforyou said: No, what matters is that voter fraud is statistically irrelevant yet conservatives have made it a partisan issue to suppress the vote of millions of US citizens in a manner that disproportionately affects Democrats. Preventing millions of people from voting to reduce a few hundred / thousand illegal votes is grossly disproportionate and fundamentally undemocratic. Where's your proof? You can't make an outlandish claim like that with no actual proof that ANY voter ID laws or anything else you seem to be against is actually affecting anyone at all Emn1ty and DConnell 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Seahorsepip said: 8 years?! > Forgot that sentences are in most cases just summed up in the US which means she could actually have 5 sentences of 1 year and 7 months summed up. Which then starts to make sense, besides the fact of summing up sentences. US sentences can be applied concurrently (in parallel); 3+5+8 = 8 years and you serve the longest one, or consecutively; 3+5+8 = 16 years if the judge wants to make an example of you or the crime is heinous. Seahorsepip 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, theyarecomingforyou said: No, what matters is that voter fraud is statistically irrelevant ... Deaths from product tampering are also statistically irrelevant, a few a year tops - maybe 1-2, so we shouldn't charge them with murder? Or should the charging decision have a political test? DConnell and Dick Montage 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jupe Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I wish voting wasn't mandatory in my country, because I know I wouldn't vote if I didn't have to. I definitely wouldn't risk 8 years jail to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gibs Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, DocM said: Doesn't matter who she voted for. That must be why all the REAL examples of voter fraud this election have been found to be republicans, but no I agree...it doesn't matter. 5 hours ago, J. X. Maxwell said: 11 million to go! You realize she isn't an illegal right? She has a green card. --- The thing I'm curious about is how was she able to register to vote? Wasn't there just a simple proof of eligibility check? I mean the lady only had a 6th grade education so she quite likely does not know the difference between citizen and permanent resident, so even though she did mark the form as such...how did it get processed and approved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Fulcrum Subscriber¹ Posted February 13, 2017 Subscriber¹ Share Posted February 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Shiranui said: America just loves locking people up. You'd almost think there was money to be made in doing so. Wait till you find out that prisons can be privately owned in America and have minimum occupancy agreements. KingCracker 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Fulcrum said: Wait till you find out that prisons can be privately owned in America and have minimum occupancy agreements. Have you ever heard of the "kids for cash" scandal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 8 years seems a little much, I think since its federal crime, she would have to do the entire 8 years. (under normal circumstances) +E.Worm Jimmy 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 5 hours ago, DocM said: Deaths from product tampering are also statistically irrelevant, a few a year tops - maybe 1-2, so we shouldn't charge them with murder? Or should the charging decision have a political test? Using that analogy you'd have to charge millions of innocent people with murder and jail them just to get at the few people actually responsible, which any reasonable person would obviously oppose. SecretAgentMan and TPreston 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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