the evn show Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 The first one is darwin 7.2.0 compiled Dec 11 which should make it 10.3.2 I noticed you've got dreamweaver running and I wonder if that has anything to do with it. I've found mx 2004 to be very slow and memory hungry, but she hasn't crashed. It does have an installer so if you haven't repaired permissions since you installed it then that might be a good idea. Broken permissions can cause all sorts of crap just like this. Verifying permissions after installing flashmx2004 and the update found half a dozen errors so there is a precedent for macromedia breaking things a bit (at least on my machine). Darwin 5.5 is Mac OS X 10.1.5. EDIT: the little flag is for language settings. If you set your keyboard to be CSA or some other non-us format it should appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
session Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Sorta like this one? :unsure: oh thats awesome :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Frett Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I've had that exact same thing happen plenty of times on linux in x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Darwin 5.5 is Mac OS X 10.1.5.EDIT: the little flag is for language settings. If you set your keyboard to be CSA or some other non-us format it should appear. Thanks for clearing those two up. That's what I thought. What does "CSA" mean? The only CSA that I know of is Confederate States of America :) LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I thought macs weren't supposed to crash? Not trying to flame or anything, but I am considering one, but I thought that was one of their selling points? Ever since the release of Windows 2000, and then XP, through various upgrades of my system, I have only had one problem with windows crashing, and that was an incorrect setting on my motherboard when I upgraded it about 6 months ago. (had to remove 100 jumpers because I was using SDRam, lol) After fixing this it has since then never crashed again. I thought because macs were standardised hardware they were able to make it 100% stable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I thought macs weren't supposed to crash? The very fact that this crash was posted should point out to you the *rarity* of crashes on OS X. How many people would bother to post a picture of a BSOD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macster Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I thought macs weren't supposed to crash?Not trying to flame or anything, but I am considering one, but I thought that was one of their selling points? Ever since the release of Windows 2000, and then XP, through various upgrades of my system, I have only had one problem with windows crashing, and that was an incorrect setting on my motherboard when I upgraded it about 6 months ago. (had to remove 100 jumpers because I was using SDRam, lol) After fixing this it has since then never crashed again. I thought because macs were standardised hardware they were able to make it 100% stable? A OS can still get screwed when a user or developer does something stupid (like bad coding or installing beta programs) Yes i heard that DW MX 2004 is very buggy. Waiting for an update (i hope) before upgrading full time to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I thought macs weren't supposed to crash?No computer is _supposed_ to crash. I think what you meant is that you thought Mac OS X machines rarely crashed: this is true.but I thought that was one of their selling points? It is. Like roadwarrior said: the fact that we're all here marvelling at the screenshots of a system that locked up hard should be evidence that it's rare. Its like seeing a freak at a circus or something. Ever since the release of Windows 2000, and then XP, through various upgrades of my system, I have only had one problem with windows crashing, and that was an incorrect setting on my motherboard when I upgraded it about 6 months agoWe're glad for you: nobody likes to see others facing computer problems (unless they're evil but that's another thread). Windows NT5.x is a huge improvement over the 9x line and it's noticably more stable. I don't want to argue if it's in the same league as *NIX systems one way or the other (again that's another thread), but there is no denying that it's certainly possible to configure a Windows machine so it will be very reliable.I thought because macs were standardised hardware they were able to make it 100% stable? Even computers that control aircraft and medical equipment aren't 100% stable. OS X is very reliable (I can count the number of annecdotes of crashes of unmodified installations on one hand). The first crash is on a system with core components replaced (apache, php), while that _SHOULDN'T_ be a problem I think it's understandable for mass-market computers. The second one is OS 10.1.5. That's two versions obsolete and we've had some major changes to everything since then. These days you can take your powerbook, un plug it from the wall, close the lid, turn it over, pull out the battery - wait a couple minutes, plug the battery back in and open the lid: you won't even lose your uptime. OS X isn't perfect - but my opinion is that it's pretty close. Other selling points are that it has no viruses to speak of, nor worms, nor trojan horses, or any of that other cruft that other OS's are prone to (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I had a KP like that in Jaguar once, using SNES9x. I later found out those KPs were due to bad memory, so it didn't have anything to do with the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autoexec Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 :D i've offended you? oh well, i don't care.while i write my book on tweaking osx through the terminal, you should write a book on all your uber-hacker-1337 skills with winxp. :no: Silly Boy. Or i could write a book on my linux boxes http://www.jtechnical.net/Images/screenshot.jpg http://www.jtechnical.net/Images/screenshot2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isus Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 wow, you even know how to take a screenshot. imagine that! that's TWO, count 'em TWO whole things you can do. but imagine this: there are people on this planet besides you who don't know how to turn off auto reboot and don't know how to take a screenshot. poor boy that i am, you offer no information in your profile. as far as i am concerned, you are a 12 year old trying to show off your uber 1337 hax0r skills with windows and linux in the mac forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 Come on! isus and Autoexec...give it a rest! If you two want to continue to fight over childish things, do it via pm so the rest of us don't have to know about it. When I come in here, I want to read about this "KP", not see two kids making themselves look like fools. Back on topic... This system failure is quite interesting. May have to start up Dreamweaver and mess around a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 Roadwarrior: CSA is what os x calls the canadian language keyboard. I'm not sure exactly what it stands for (Candian Standard Architecture maybe?) or who uses it. Here in the West, english speaking part of Canada we use standard American keyboard layout. I'm guessing CSA is used in Quebec where french is as common as english: CSA makes it easier to type and avoid all those OPTION+key combinations. Here's an image that shows the different keys and locations. Moster are the same, but some things are moved and a few keys have been swaped for new letters. http://homepage.mac.com/chinesemac/LatinEx...s/Canadian.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macman87 Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 u can see a another crash simply by dragging the system folder into the trash... (don't empty it) and restarting ur mac... yes, thats how stupid i was...dragging the system folder into the trash thinking mac os x would say no or something...but it did let me put it in (provided that u have the admin password) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autoexec Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 wow, you even know how to take a screenshot. imagine that!that's TWO, count 'em TWO whole things you can do. but imagine this: there are people on this planet besides you who don't know how to turn off auto reboot and don't know how to take a screenshot. poor boy that i am, you offer no information in your profile. as far as i am concerned, you are a 12 year old trying to show off your uber 1337 hax0r skills with windows and linux in the mac forum. wish u knew how stupid u look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isus Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 wish u knew how stupid u look. better for me to look stupid than to be stupid like you. give up already, this is a mac thread, nobody really cares that you can turn off auto reboot. what i said about windows and the auto reboot was called sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryonhowley Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 :D i honestly hope you don't feel special about that. anybody can do that, it doesn't take any reg editing or hex editing... it's a checkbox right there in the system properties.but the fact is, that windows, on a regular install, sets "auto reboot" to default on. i think auto restart was invented so that ms could say xp didn't bsod anymore. in fact, it screws up the troubleshooting process, bc instead of being able to write down the error message to troubleshoot, your computer just reboots. now that's ms innovation :rolleyes: You could look in the Event Viewer for the info after the restart to. Allthough I have not had a BSOD since Windows XP went RTM (build 2600). Most BSOD's on Windows XP are just bad drivers. Plus the average user will just hit the reset instead of writing any info down anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Did we really need to bring back this 2 week dead thread for that? Browsing neowin feels like I've been driving my delorean around at 88 miles/hour a little too long. So as not to be totally off topic. Most BSOD's on Windows XP are just bad drivers. You spend how much for your software, and how much for your hardware and you're willing to ignore instability as "It's just bad drivers"? I figured at $300/copy windows users would expect a little more for their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moRU Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 I had this happen to me when I was trying to boot from CD once and was holding down the wrong key combo. I was holding Apple + C or Apple + Option + C....tried everything but C. Late nights will cause to to forget the simplest things. MOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redestium Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Did we really need to bring back this 2 week dead thread for that? Browsing neowin feels like I've been driving my delorean around at 88 miles/hour a little too long.So as not to be totally off topic. You spend how much for your software, and how much for your hardware and you're willing to ignore instability as "It's just bad drivers"? I figured at $300/copy windows users would expect a little more for their money. You can expect all you want it's not going to change anything...not with MS anyway. I agree with what you're saying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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