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Russia Bans Jehovah’s Witnesses As An "Extremist Organization"

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Russians will no longer have to dread the doorbell.

 

On Thursday, Russia's Supreme Court ruled that Jehovah's Witnesses was an "extremist" organization after the justice ministry applied for an order to shut down the group's national headquarters near St Petersburg, Russian TASS news agency reported. Russian authorities had put several of the group's publications on a list of banned extremist literature, and prosecutors have long cast it as an organization that destroys families, fosters hatred and threatens lives, a description the organization says is false.

 

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In its lawsuit the Justice Ministry mentioned various violations, exposed by a snap check of the organization’s activities, including those of the federal law on resistance to extremist activities. The Justice Ministry wanted the organization and its 395 local chapters to be declared as extremist and outlawed and its properties to be confiscated.

 

The Administrative Center of Jehovah’s Witnesses told TASS it found this affair very worrisome, because a future decision would concern 175,000 practicing believers. ACJW spokesman Ivan Bilenko said the organization was prepared to seek protection of its rights in courts of any instance.

A court in Moscow on October 12, 2016 warned Jehovah’s Witnesses over what it ruled was extremist activities. Under Russian legislation the religious organization in question is to be closed down if it fails to eliminate the exposed violations within the required deadline or if new evidence of its extremist activities come to light. The Moscow City Court on January 16, 2017 upheld the warning over extremism handed to Jehovah’s Witnesses.

 

The Jehovah’s Witnesses group in Russia has said it will appeal against the court’s ruling.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-20/russia-bans-jehovah’s-witnesses-extremist-organization#comments

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Hmmm, i'd say the JW's are the least extreme of the religions.. little bit loopy yes, but extreme? no.

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1 minute ago, wakjak said:

Hmmm, i'd say the JW's are the least extreme of the religions.. little bit loopy yes, but extreme? no.

Their policy of shunning can be detrimental and I have met families torn apart by this. But yeah, I am at a bit of a loss on the idea of banning an organization. I am curious as to what things the Russian government asked the JW to change to remain in Russia however? Just for example, Mormons are quite different than most christian groups but they are not banned in Russia, why JW?

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Hopefully, they'll ban Scientology next. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mirumir said:

Hopefully, they'll ban Scientology next. 

That one, at least, is a blatantly fake religion and cult.  

 

Still, I worry about this practice of banning "fake" religions.. Where will it stop? Russia once banned ALL religion... Is it heading down that road again?

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ban JW but allow Islam?   huh

 

i wonder what the stats are of JW's commiting violent acts vs muslims

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7 minutes ago, Buttus said:

ban JW but allow Islam?   huh

 

i wonder what the stats are of JW's commiting violent acts vs muslims

Just as JW's are an organization within the belief of Christianity, certain branches  with in the belief of Islam is indeed banned as well.

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29 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Russia once banned ALL religion... Is it heading down that road again?

Nope, major religions are well supported.

3 hours ago, Mirumir said:

Hopefully, they'll ban Scientology next. 

 

 

as every country should

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3 hours ago, Mirumir said:

Hopefully, they'll ban Scientology next. 

 

 

While it is definitely crazy, it is very sad that it has more chance of being true then the other existing claims of magic. :)

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A friend of mine belonged to the Jehovah’s Witnesses. He was African American and a very nice polite young man at that. He went on a trip and got sick. He made it back to our town and went to the hospital. The problem he had was one that mainly affect African Americans. I don't recall the name of it. The doctors said he would probably be OK but needed a blood transfusion. His wife, also a  Jehovah’s Witnesses refused for him to have a transfusion. Needless to say he died the next day or so because the doctors hands were tied.

 

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"Extremist" organization?!?!  LMAO.

 

Hmm...I had one of these "extremist" knock on my door a few weeks ago ... politely told them I was atheist while declining her pamphlet.  She thanked me for my time and left.  Wow ... that was "extreme."  Also have had those dudes who bike everywhere (Mormon's?) come a knocking ... they've also politely left.

 

Also, for those that want other "religions" banned (like "Scientology") ... where does it end?  People should be able to believe in whatever they want ... without being shut down (like Russia is doing to JW) ... as long as it doesn't incite civil unrest/violence/etc.  Religions don't bother me ... what I do not want is for governments to just shutting down religions and what not ... because (as I said) where does it end?

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1 hour ago, FloatingFatMan said:

That one, at least, is a blatantly fake religion and cult.  

 

Still, I worry about this practice of banning "fake" religions.. Where will it stop? Russia once banned ALL religion... Is it heading down that road again?

All religions are fake and to some extent a cult but they shouldn't be "banned". People should just keep their beliefs to themselves like how I don't expound on what porn I masturbate to and how.

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3 hours ago, Jim K said:

People should be able to believe in whatever they want ... 

Double edged sword. While they should be able to,  I wish they wouldn't. Take Islam and Christianity for example, each have a claim that neither can prove, but they DO encourage cross-belief validation in who the (alleged to be true) big guys side is on. Example: if i said the blue fairies are the best but you said the red ones are; this would help validate others who believe in fairies even if they don't believe in blue OR red.  If every single human on earth DID NOT believe in the supernatural EXCEPT for muslims , Islam would start to disappear very rapidly. Same would goes for Christianity, same goes for Hinduism and on and on.

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12 minutes ago, Rippleman said:

Double edged sword. While they should be able to,  I wish they wouldn't. Take Islam and Christianity for example, each have a claim that neither can prove, but they DO encourage cross-belief validation in who the (alleged to be true) big guys side is on. Example: if i said the blue fairies are the best but you said the red ones are; this would help validate others who believe in fairies even if they don't believe in blue OR red.  If every single human on earth DID NOT believe in the supernatural EXCEPT for muslims , Islam would start to disappear very rapidly. Same would goes for Christianity, same goes for Hinduism and on and on.

Not really a double edged sword...IMO.  Wishing they wouldn't believe in something is almost akin to forcing your beliefs onto others.  I'd rather have people believe in whatever they want ... I just don't believe (as is my right..as it should be their right to believe)

 

...though I believe further discussion is better suited for the religious thread. :) 

 

I still find it hilarious that somehow Russia decided that JW is an extremist organization...also worrisome.  

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2 hours ago, Jim K said:

I still find it hilarious that somehow Russia decided that JW is an extremist organization...also worrisome.  

It's likely based on their belief that blood transfusions are evil, and people dying because of it.

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11 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

That one, at least, is a blatantly fake religion and cult.  

 

Still, I worry about this practice of banning "fake" religions.. Where will it stop? Russia once banned ALL religion... Is it heading down that road again?

It's not about banning fake religions, but banning those that disseminate extremist views and ideas in their literature. 

 

The freedom of religion is a guaranteed constitutional right in Russia. 

 

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Article 28

Everyone shall be guaranteed the freedom of conscience, the freedom of religion, including the right to profess individually or together with other any religion or to profess no religion at all, to freely choose, possess and disseminate religious and other views and act according to them.

Article 29

1. Everyone shall be guaranteed the freedom of ideas and speech.

We have a bunch of citizens who have been indicating "Jedi" as their religion of choice on their census forms since the USSR collapsed. These Jedi Masters are faced with zero persecution from anybody, including the Sikhs.

 

Three religions are protected by the state in Russia: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Russia is a traditionally conservative country these days. The protection of these three religions takes precedence over allowing a new sect to practice publicly, especially one which holds views conflicting with the beliefs of the big three religions. Buddhism and Shamanism are also recognized at the state level.

 

This is just a guess because I haven't thoroughly familiarized myself with the JW's books, but I suppose the JW's claim, for one, that we are being ruled by Satan would be a pretty extreme point of view in the modern predominately orthodox Russia. The JW's alleged practice of coercion of its practitioners is a big no-no too.

 

14 hours ago, sidroc said:

Just for example, Mormons are quite different than most christian groups but they are not banned in Russia, why JW?

The JW's got banned because of the messages found in their texts.

 

From the Russian point of view, the Mormons would be closer to the Russian Orthodox Old Believers, some Orthodox Jews, or some other Schismatics. The Mormons still believe in the Bible and just have one additional scripture to follow.

 

The JW's, on the other hand, have next to nothing in common with Christianity.

 

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12 hours ago, sidroc said:

Their policy of shunning can be detrimental and I have met families torn apart by this. But yeah, I am at a bit of a loss on the idea of banning an organization. I am curious as to what things the Russian government asked the JW to change to remain in Russia however? Just for example, Mormons are quite different than most christian groups but they are not banned in Russia, why JW?

 

It is nothing new in Europe and IMHO it is a good thing until the government starts usurping those laws. Germany, for instance, can ban any religion or organisation deemed dangerous like they did with Scientology several years ago.

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21 hours ago, Mirumir said:

Hopefully, they'll ban Scientology next. 

The Court of the City of Moscow issued an order on November 23, 2015 by which it compelled the organisation to liquidate within six months starting with July 29, 2016.

Despite being in the state of liquidation, the church is still open, as liquidation does not imply immediate cessation of activities.

They (Scientologists) are also active in St. Petersburg region.

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18 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

 

Still, I worry about this practice of banning "fake" religions.. Where will it stop? Russia once banned ALL religion... Is it heading down that road again?

One can only hope.  

 

In order for us to advance as species, there should be no religions.

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