Weird Internet Issues... A Backbone problem?


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So I have been getting pestered this morning as no one in the house seems to be able to access certain websites such as hotmail.co.uk, which I managed to reproduce on all my systems but strangely this did not affect all other websites or connected devices.  So I turned the Router and VDSL+ Modem off and on, but the issue persisted... However, when I turned on a VPN service on one of my systems, it was able to connect to all the effected websites without issue...

 

Very, very weird this... Its also affecting https://login.live.com, fortunately Ad services like the ones used on the daily mail website to serve crap suggesting articles and connections to the EvE Online Tranquility server

 

I did trace routes both with the VPN off and on:

 

 

VPN Off

Andrews-iMac:~ andy$ traceroute www.hotmail.co.uk
traceroute to dispatch.kahuna.glbdns2.mic... (157.56.198.220), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.764 ms 0.644 ms 0.901 ms

2 * * *

3 * 31.55.186.181 (31.55.186.181) 19.799 ms 24.520 ms

4 31.55.186.188 (31.55.186.188) 22.896 ms 15.598 ms 19.188 ms

5  core3-hu0-16-0-3.faraday.uk... (195.99.127.198) 17.748 ms
core3-hu0-14-0-5.faraday.uk... (195.99.127.38) 13.947 ms
195.99.127.108 (195.99.127.108) 18.854 ms

6  host213-121-193-165.ukcore.... (213.121.193.165) 19.864 ms
peer2-et-2-3-0.redbus.ukcor... (62.172.103.37) 18.985 ms
host213-121-193-165.ukcore.... (213.121.193.165) 11.972 ms

7  bt.lts-96cbe-1b.ntwk.msn.net (207.46.36.250) 12.064 ms
195.99.126.57 (195.99.126.57) 12.239 ms 12.033 ms

8  be-72-0.ibr02.lts.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.9.154) 24.027 ms
be-71-0.ibr02.lts.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.9.152) 22.993 ms
be-62-0.ibr01.lon30.ntwk.ms... (104.44.9.244) 26.889 ms

9  be-5-0.ibr01.dbb.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.5.52) 33.899 ms 32.106 ms 32.750 ms

10 * * *

11  ae11-0.db3-96c-1a.ntwk.msn.net (204.152.141.71) 31.993 ms
ae12-0.db3-96c-1a.ntwk.msn.net (204.152.141.85) 26.025 ms
ae2-0.db3-96c-3a.ntwk.msn.net (204.152.141.93) 25.698 ms

12 * * *

13 * * *

14 * * *

15 * * *
And so on.

 

 

VPN On

Andrews-iMac:~ andy$ traceroute www.hotmail.co.uk

traceroute to dispatch.kahuna.glbdns2.mic... (65.55.118.92), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

1 10.43.10.1 (10.43.10.1) 15.669 ms 12.287 ms 12.356 ms

2  88.202.231.2.static.midphas... (88.202.231.2) 13.338 ms 12.926 ms 12.895 ms

3 83.170.70.233 (83.170.70.233) 13.207 ms

83.170.70.237 (83.170.70.237) 13.520 ms

83.170.70.225 (83.170.70.225) 13.868 ms

4  igbtmdistc7503.msft.net (195.66.236.140) 15.067 ms 13.914 ms

igblmdistc7504.uk.msft.net (195.66.224.140) 13.274 ms

5  be-72-0.ibr02.lts.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.9.154) 89.230 ms

be-72-0.ibr02.lon30.ntwk.ms... (104.44.9.248) 88.038 ms 91.025 ms

6  be-8-0.ibr02.nyc04.ntwk.msn... (104.44.5.28) 87.864 ms

be-2-0.ibr02.lon30.ntwk.msn... (104.44.5.40) 88.536 ms 87.858 ms

7  be-4-0.ibr02.nyc04.ntwk.msn... (104.44.4.29) 88.527 ms

104.44.7.213 (104.44.7.213) 87.962 ms 87.989 ms

8  be-3-0.ibr01.nyc04.ntwk.msn... (104.44.4.35) 90.674 ms

ae71-0.bl2-96c-1b.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.8.173) 87.194 ms

be-4-0.ibr02.nyc04.ntwk.msn... (104.44.4.29) 87.868 ms

9 * be-1-0.ibr01.was05.ntwk.msn... (104.44.4.18) 89.343 ms 87.684 ms

10  ae67-0.bl2-96c-1a.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.10.53) 88.246 ms * *

 

Noticing that the VPN trace route was going to a different IP, I tried again to that IP

 

Andrews-iMac:~ andy$ traceroute 65.55.118.92

traceroute to 65.55.118.92 (65.55.118.92), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

 1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  0.673 ms  0.535 ms  0.419 ms

 2  * * *

 3  31.55.186.177 (31.55.186.177)  11.286 ms  11.061 ms  10.906 ms

 4  31.55.186.184 (31.55.186.184)  11.978 ms  11.760 ms  11.517 ms

 5  195.99.127.58 (195.99.127.58)  11.536 ms

    195.99.127.94 (195.99.127.94)  11.243 ms  11.580 ms

 6  peer1-xe0-0-0.faraday.ukcore.bt.net (213.121.193.161)  11.784 ms  11.367 ms  11.559 ms

 7  195.99.126.57 (195.99.126.57)  12.323 ms

    bt.lts-96cbe-1b.ntwk.msn.net (207.46.36.250)  12.121 ms  12.260 ms

 8  be-71-0.ibr02.lts.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.9.152)  87.833 ms

    be-71-0.ibr02.lon30.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.9.246)  87.269 ms

    be-72-0.ibr02.lts.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.9.154)  87.232 ms

 9  be-2-0.ibr02.lon30.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.5.40)  88.734 ms  88.668 ms  86.644 ms

10  be-4-0.ibr02.nyc04.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.4.29)  88.286 ms  88.043 ms

    be-8-0.ibr02.nyc04.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.5.28)  86.803 ms

11  be-4-0.ibr02.nyc04.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.4.29)  86.764 ms

    ae71-0.bl2-96c-1b.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.8.173)  85.933 ms  85.616 ms

12  * ae62-0.bl2-96c-1a.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.8.171)  86.506 ms

    be-1-0.ibr01.was05.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.4.18)  88.106 ms

13  ae61-0.bl2-96c-1a.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.8.169)  86.324 ms

    ae67-0.bl2-96c-1a.ntwk.msn.net (104.44.10.53)  86.446 ms  86.298 ms

14  * * *

15  * * *

16  * * *

17  * * *

 

And so on

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It could be a DNS issue with your ISP's DNS servers, you could try using Googles DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4)

 

The traceroute will be different when using a VPN as your connecting to Hotmail from a different location on the internet, so in theory will end up with a Hotmail server closer to the location of your VPN.

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Thanks Nutter,

 

I should have added that I have tried different DNS servers as suggested, the router is configured to use open DNS but I have tried the Google DNS servers and the same issue is prevelant. Also BT Support is unobtainable :(

 

Andrews-iMac:~ andy$ traceroute support.bt.com

traceroute to resolve.bt.com (62.239.186.96), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

 1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  0.709 ms  0.523 ms  0.495 ms

 2  * * *

 3  * * *

 4  31.55.186.180 (31.55.186.180)  11.545 ms  10.973 ms  13.787 ms

 5  195.99.127.110 (195.99.127.110)  11.099 ms  11.285 ms

    core3-hu0-1-0-1.faraday.ukcore.bt.net (195.99.127.34)  11.113 ms

 6  * 62.6.201.146 (62.6.201.146)  15.153 ms

    62.6.201.144 (62.6.201.144)  11.421 ms

 7  * * *

 8  * * *

 9  * * *

10  * * *

 

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It could be a routing issue on your ISP's network in that case, I remember the other year Virgin Media had a similar issue.

 

I wasn't able to get on certain websites such as Ebay, however tunneling my internet though a dedicated server I had allowed me to browse the internet as normal.

 

The trouble there was Virgin blamed Ebay and Ebay blamed Virgin, this went on for a few days, however eventually the issue was resolved after a lot of people reported the issue.

 

I'd suggest opening a support ticket with BT via your VPN, your likely not the only person with the issue.

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1 hour ago, InsaneNutter said:

It could be a DNS issue with your ISP's DNS servers, you could try using Googles DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4)

 

The traceroute will be different when using a VPN as your connecting to Hotmail from a different location on the internet, so in theory will end up with a Hotmail server closer to the location of your VPN.

I was going to say this as well. I've found that a lot of issues get resolved with DNS.

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Vpn successfull connect vs non vpn successfull connect. 

 

Are the resolution ips the same?  What happens when you try to trace the vpn ip resolve on the non vpn connection. Does it go through?  

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