(mac) Panther Finder Crashing


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My finder will crash and restart a lot when I select two or more files and try to move them somewhere. This usually happens with images or other files on the desktop and then I just click and drag a line selecting them all. As soon as I click and move the mouse to try to move the files somewhere, they all just disappear, the finder quits and then it restarts. It will do this indefinitely until I just move the files one by one. What the heck is up with my finder? Anyone else experience this?

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:ninja: I had a similar situation with 7B59, but the final release is stable as hell for me...have you tried to reinstall to alleviate the problem? Extreme, for sure, but I bet it works. :ninja:

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i have the same problem... everytiem i drag files (i think pictures) the just disapear and finder restarts... once, (think 10.3.1) it loged me off too... panther has some problems still...

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Thank you for your help skywalker but that looks like a pretty sketchy app. Not only is it made for 10.2 but the two comments on the download page talk about people not being able to login after they use it and loosing their file type associations with apps. Doesn't seem worth the risk to try it and from the description it doesn't sound like it was made to address the specific problem that we are all having. Do you have personal experience with this?

It is comforting in some way though to know that I am not the only one with the problem. It is mainly when dragging more than one image file from the desktop. It has also been happening with me from 10.3.0 to 3.2 in each one.

Anyone know what could be causing this?

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The reason for your problem seems to be that one (or more) of your Finder related preference files got corrupted. Dragster deletes them, so that they're being rebuilt by the Finder. You may use any other utility which is able to delete your preferences (Tinkertool System should do etc.)

Don't forget to backup your ~/Library/Preferences folder ...

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post your crash logs

Ok, I think I found it but it is really long. It was in the console under crash logs and then finder.crash.log

It was extremely long so I just put it into a text file. If I am not mistaken it looks like it has something to do with APE. Could someone verify this?

Crash_Log.txt

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it looks like it is, to double check go to ape manager under preferences, then hit the big information tab, click disable temporarily, then logout, log back in and see if the same thing happens

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Hmmm... nope. Still crashes. This is the last page in the crash log now.

Command: Finder
Path:    /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
Version: 10.3 (10.3)
PID:     529
Thread:  0

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0xc891b854

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   <<00000000>>  0xc891b854 0 + 0xc891b854
1   <<00000000>>  0x91b847a8 0 + 0x91b847a8
2   <<00000000>>  0x91b8332c 0 + 0x91b8332c
3   <<00000000>>  0x935f9f1c 0 + 0x935f9f1c
4   <<00000000>>  0x935fb18c 0 + 0x935fb18c
5   <<00000000>>  0x91568eec 0 + 0x91568eec
6   <<00000000>>  0x91565720 0 + 0x91565720
7   <<00000000>>  0x9156569c 0 + 0x9156569c
8   <<00000000>>  0x915653d8 0 + 0x915653d8
9   <<00000000>>  0x927df104 0 + 0x927df104
10  <<00000000>>  0x927df238 0 + 0x927df238
11  <<00000000>>  0x927e47d0 0 + 0x927e47d0
12  com.apple.finder                0x0000e6b8 0x1000 + 0xd6b8
13  com.apple.finder                0x0000cab8 0x1000 + 0xbab8
14  com.apple.finder                0x00077aa4 0x1000 + 0x76aa4
15  com.apple.finder                0x000320c8 0x1000 + 0x310c8
16  com.apple.finder                0x00077828 0x1000 + 0x76828
17  com.apple.finder                0x00077338 0x1000 + 0x76338
18  com.apple.finder                0x0002fcc4 0x1000 + 0x2ecc4
19  com.apple.finder                0x0005b990 0x1000 + 0x5a990
20  com.apple.finder                0x0005b7e4 0x1000 + 0x5a7e4
21  com.apple.finder                0x0005b7a4 0x1000 + 0x5a7a4
22  com.apple.finder                0x0005b68c 0x1000 + 0x5a68c
23  com.apple.finder                0x0005b030 0x1000 + 0x5a030
24  com.apple.finder                0x0000f884 0x1000 + 0xe884
25  com.apple.finder                0x000218c0 0x1000 + 0x208c0
26  com.apple.finder                0x00009fa8 0x1000 + 0x8fa8
27  com.apple.finder                0x0000c984 0x1000 + 0xb984
28  <<00000000>>  0x927d2384 0 + 0x927d2384
29  <<00000000>>  0x927d25f8 0 + 0x927d25f8
30  <<00000000>>  0x927e4a88 0 + 0x927e4a88
31  <<00000000>>  0x927f3208 0 + 0x927f3208
32  <<00000000>>  0x927e8b24 0 + 0x927e8b24
33  <<00000000>>  0x927e3028 0 + 0x927e3028
34  <<00000000>>  0x927d2440 0 + 0x927d2440
35  <<00000000>>  0x927d25f8 0 + 0x927d25f8
36  <<00000000>>  0x927e4a88 0 + 0x927e4a88
37  <<00000000>>  0x927e8980 0 + 0x927e8980
38  <<00000000>>  0x92805c6c 0 + 0x92805c6c
39  <<00000000>>  0x927fbb08 0 + 0x927fbb08
40  com.apple.finder                0x000356c8 0x1000 + 0x346c8
41  com.apple.finder                0x00033fc0 0x1000 + 0x32fc0
42  com.apple.finder                0x0003306c 0x1000 + 0x3206c
43  com.apple.finder                0x00032ee0 0x1000 + 0x31ee0

Thread 1:
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x90018ce8 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 0x8
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x9000e888 _pthread_cond_wait + 0x268
2   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore  0x90295f2c MPWaitOnQueue + 0xe0
3   <<00000000>>  0x90919044 0 + 0x90919044
4   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore  0x902c6f3c PrivateMPEntryPoint + 0x4c
5   libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x900247e8 _pthread_body + 0x28

Thread 2:
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x900075c8 mach_msg_trap + 0x8
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x90007118 mach_msg + 0x38
2   libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x9004e67c thread_suspend + 0x5c

Thread 3:
0   <<00000000>>  0x935e8230 0 + 0x935e8230
1   <<00000000>>  0x9361558c 0 + 0x9361558c
2   <<00000000>>  0x93718608 0 + 0x93718608
3   <<00000000>>  0x9363f4ec 0 + 0x9363f4ec
4   <<00000000>>  0x9362d508 0 + 0x9362d508
5   <<00000000>>  0x9363f390 0 + 0x9363f390
6   <<00000000>>  0x93605814 0 + 0x93605814
7   <<00000000>>  0x93628c9c 0 + 0x93628c9c
8   <<00000000>>  0x9366f674 0 + 0x9366f674
9   <<00000000>>  0x935dc1d4 0 + 0x935dc1d4
10  <<00000000>>  0x91b81914 0 + 0x91b81914
11  <<00000000>>  0x91b83264 0 + 0x91b83264
12  <<00000000>>  0x935eeb74 0 + 0x935eeb74
13  com.apple.finder                0x0013e600 0x1000 + 0x13d600
14  com.apple.finder                0x001859e0 0x1000 + 0x1849e0
15  com.apple.finder                0x00185d38 0x1000 + 0x184d38
16  com.apple.finder                0x000752a8 0x1000 + 0x742a8
17  libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x900247e8 _pthread_body + 0x28

Thread 4:
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x90017048 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 0x8
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x9000e890 _pthread_cond_wait + 0x270
2   com.apple.finder                0x0020b4dc 0x1000 + 0x20a4dc
3   com.apple.finder                0x00185fd4 0x1000 + 0x184fd4
4   com.apple.finder                0x000752a8 0x1000 + 0x742a8
5   libSystem.B.dylib             	 0x900247e8 _pthread_body + 0x28

PPC Thread State:
  srr0: 0xc891b854 srr1: 0x4200f030                vrsave: 0x00000000
    cr: 0x44028228  xer: 0x20000004   lr: 0x91b81f98  ctr: 0xc891b855
    r0: 0x91b81f98   r1: 0xbfffc910   r2: 0xa1b805a3   r3: 0x006d2400
    r4: 0x006f5960   r5: 0x43918000   r6: 0x43650000   r7: 0x42800000
    r8: 0x41700000   r9: 0x04a08a30  r10: 0x00000000  r11: 0xa1b802ec
   r12: 0xc891b855  r13: 0x00000000  r14: 0x00000000  r15: 0xbfffcb70
   r16: 0xa1b80644  r17: 0xbfffcb74  r18: 0x006f5960  r19: 0x00000000
   r20: 0x00676f70  r21: 0xa1b81d40  r22: 0xa1b80644  r23: 0x00000000
   r24: 0xbfffc950  r25: 0x00000327  r26: 0x00000000  r27: 0x04a08a30
   r28: 0x00000000  r29: 0x006fda90  r30: 0x04a08a80  r31: 0x91b81d40

Binary Images Description:
    0x1000 -   0x2a0fff com.apple.finder 10.3	/System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
  0x5e1000 -   0x5e3fff com.apple.textencoding.unicode 1.6.4	/System/Library/TextEncodings/Unicode Encodings.bundle/Contents/MacOS/Unicode Encodings
0x81b30000 - 0x81b3bfff com.apple.agl 2.4 (AGL-2.4)	/System/Library/Frameworks/AGL.framework/Versions/A/AGL
0x82410000 - 0x824d9fff com.apple.PowerPlant 1.0.3	/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/PowerPlant.framework/Versions/A/PowerPlant
0x8b0c0000 - 0x8b70efff com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component 6.5	/System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeComponents.component/Contents/MacOS/QuickTimeComponents
0x8c390000 - 0x8c3d1fff com.apple.QuickTimeFirewireDV.component 6.5	/System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeFirewireDV.component/Contents/MacOS/QuickTimeFirewireDV
0x8e990000 - 0x8ea21fff com.apple.QuickTimeMPEG4.component 6.5	/System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeMPEG4.component/Contents/MacOS/QuickTimeMPEG4
0x8fe00000 - 0x8fe4ffff dyld  /usr/lib/dyld
0x90000000 - 0x90122fff libSystem.B.dylib  /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
0x90190000 - 0x9023dfff com.apple.CoreFoundation 6.3 (299)	/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation
0x90280000 - 0x904f9fff com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 10.3.2	/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Versions/A/CarbonCore

All I did was copy some photos to the desktop and then try to copy them back. Still crashed and APE was totally disabled.

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That's what I was going to suggest as well. Check to see if there are any updates you are missing. Any of you guys happen to be running any themes? It's a long shot, I know, but better safe than sorry.

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I repaired permissions just a little while ago when I was dealing with another unrelated issue, just some files I had moved over I only had read access to. So I used cocktail and took care of that.

I am not missing any updates, I just did the iCal one yesterday and nothing else is on the board. I am running Milk in dlta format, not with shapeshifter, however, I had this problem with the original Panther install, without any themes, so my guess is that is not it. What about everyone else having this issue, notice anything weird?

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Did your Mac come with Panther or did you upgrade?

Did you do a clean install?

Did you install any application from an Apple application&system restore CD/DVD prior to 10.3, afterwards?

This may be far fetched but a while ago (when installing Panther the very first time) I encountered a similar problem when adding some applications (like iDVD and OS9 support) from the 10.2.7 restore DVD that came with my Powerbook. I guess that either the restore helper application or the OS9 support did harm my Panther installation.

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My finder will crash and restart a lot when I select two or more files and try to move them somewhere. This usually happens with images or other files on the desktop and then I just click and drag a line selecting them all. As soon as I click and move the mouse to try to move the files somewhere, they all just disappear, the finder quits and then it restarts. It will do this indefinitely until I just move the files one by one. What the heck is up with my finder? Anyone else experience this?

this happened to me, but then I fixed it! (or it fixed itself) what you do is, when the next software update comes out (right now we have 10.3.2) which is 10.3.3, install it via software update, and the problem is most likely fixed. My problem appeared after I did a software update, and when I did another software update It was fixed. The problem was just gone. before that I tried everything (well not everything) but everything that any Mac use would do right away. (Repair Permissions, repair disk) but none of those helped me. If you havent done thins yet you should do them. And before and after every software update you should do those too.

Ok my explanation is bad, someone else can translate it.

Rock On, -YsK

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this happened to me, but then I fixed it! (or it fixed itself) what you do is, when the next software update comes out (right now we have 10.3.2) which is 10.3.3, install it via software update, and the problem is most likely fixed. My problem appeared after I did a software update, and when I did another software update It was fixed. The problem was just gone. before that I tried everything (well not everything) but everything that any Mac use would do right away. (Repair Permissions, repair disk) but none of those helped me. If you havent done thins yet you should do them. And before and after every software update you should do those too.

Ok my explanation is bad, someone else can translate it.

Rock On, -YsK

Welcome to Neowin and thank you.

The problem is that I have had this issue through every software update so far.

My powerbook came with 10.2, however I did a clean install of 10.3 when I bought it. I have not installed any other programs from 10.2 or anything like that.

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then, did you ever gat a kernal panic? Specifically for mine, it happened after a software update and a kernal panic following it, THAT was the cause, but if i JUST got a kernal panic, and didnt do a software update, most likely there would have been no problem. But Im not sure on that part, im just guessing though because the kernal panic was caused by the software update when the system called upon a newly installed system update driver and caused a panic the the UNIX Subsystem and blah blah blah.

Rock On, -YsK

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