FatCat Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 oh and for those who care this is fake until valve says otherwise , this is from a gameplay rep: From the Gameplay sales [Communal_Toilet]: its not official date or anything, no extra news [Communal_Toilet]: just our system, we've set it to sept as the date is still TBC [Communal_Toilet]: we should be sending a mail out to explain it [Communal_Toilet]: its just so the next change we make should be the actual date from Vivendi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedogg Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 ,Jan 20 2004, 23:11] 1.- neither I, but I choose to take this in a more mature way...2.- but you are not that firm, and since you dont like this kind of games i cant see why your reaction I fail to see the immaturity in my posts. I've been speaking strictly from a business standpoint from the beginning. If I was made CEO of Valve, heads would roll for all of the BS happening, especially when its for a game as critical to the company's future as HL2...as bant apparently pointed out, it seems like all their eggs are riding in this basket and they've got agreements with major affiliates involved... @Fatcat: its not hate man, I really dont care all that much about what happens with HL2 or valve, I do care about the attitude and mentality in general where software delays and bugs and security issues are all becoming standard and expected. This ticks me off... I think companies with poor track records (yes including Microsoft..maybe especially MS) should be held accountable and shape up. If they say something will be completed and finished (this means bug/error free) by a certain date, it should be. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kak Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 The computer industry has no "word" like every other industry does. People have come to accept the 'when it's done' slacker-talk. It's poor work ethic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwanders Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 What I find humorous is the relationship between Valve, the rumor mill that is the internet, and the general public. Valve works on HL2 and last september decides that the game is not ready for release, so they put off releasing the game. Various 'news' outlets all over the web promptly make numerous allegations as to when HL2 will eventually be released. Valve makes a press release concerning the more popular of these reports to say, "No, we're not releasing it then...We've said nothing of the release date" The general public then cries, "OMFG! They delayed the game again!" This process repeats for 4 months. All of a sudden Valve is accused of delaying the game every week, because of some BS reports about its release date. You guys are priceless with your comments. And it is true...no matter when the game comes out, you guys won't be happy. Either it'll be too long until release or there'll be too many bugs. And those who are making accusations about Valve failing as a business, either show me your degree or show me a quoted source by some reputable source, and then perhaps i'll believe you. Until then, just sit down and wait patiently like good little sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csabo2 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 i dont care anymore, i have the leak, its enough, painkiller is going to be a much better game anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomis_nehc Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 this is bs, by the time the game comes out, duke4ever will be out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l77Il7H Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 i want my game on april and not a month later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuka_t Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 this sucks i just got a 9600xt and by the time the game comes out it will be obsolete. ill just stare at teh coupon for 9 months. i dnot believe it though ive never heard of that site and when it leaked it was pretty much finished. they are jsut going over the game to make sure that the guy that stole it didnt screw with it and put bugs and cheats and other crap on purpose. ide rather wait a while than get hacked by some loser that cant spare 50 dollars for a game and cant wait a couple months to play it. ######. *looks at csabo2* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteraven_Ex Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 :crazy: ahh, noo, i was looking foward to it, oh well, gonna be sweet when it comes out though, by then they shud have made sum improvments with the game engine, cause i got a fx :wacko: , shud still work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csabo2 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Hey i pay for my games, but HL2 isnt that great anyway. its just eyecandy. they werent anywhere near done 99% of it isnt even textured. if you havent seen it, you have no right to say anything about the completness. what he took is what valve HAD DONE. nothing more.. and it may have been a hacker but the retards didnt run windows update. thats there own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kak Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Painkiller hardly qualifies as being a game. It's barely playable for any period of time over five minutes. Welcome to ten years ago with point and shoot, minus plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csabo2 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 umm i dont think we are talking about the same game.. if we are your nucking futs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kak Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Yeah, painkiller. You go around blasting around stupid knights that swing swords at you. My 6 year old cousin could beat that game due to lack of strategy. He may give up to boredom though, it's rather repetitive [aka, Prince of Persia?]. mouse1, mouse1, mouse1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedogg Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 And those who are making accusations about Valve failing as a business, either show me your degree or show me a quoted source by some reputable source, and then perhaps i'll believe you.Until then, just sit down and wait patiently like good little sheep. a) did they not have an agreement to release HL2 along with ATI's new card? b) did they not have a 'security breach' where the source supposedly got 'leaked'? c) did they not announce that this would result in delays affecting ATI's release? You do not need my CMU degree to know this, these are all facts. Whether the 'leak' was really an act of subterfuge to create an excuse for delay or an act of security negligence, ATI could still find them in breech of contract and could sue their ass. They are on a very thin line regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 a) did they not have an agreement to release HL2 along with ATI's new card?b) did they not have a 'security breach' where the source supposedly got 'leaked'? c) did they not announce that this would result in delays affecting ATI's release? You do not need my CMU degree to know this, these are all facts. Whether the 'leak' was really an act of subterfuge to create an excuse for delay or an act of security negligence, ATI could still find them in breech of contract and could sue their ass. They are on a very thin line regardless. Don't forget their share prices today compared back before April. Just remember that companies that have been doing better have closed down. Shame nVidia got so upset about their performance, that they forced a re-work of the GFX Engine to make nVidia GPU's perform better. Complete and utter tripe. If Valve rework their GFX engine to better support NVIDIA, it will be their own doing in order because as many people use NVIDIA cards as ATI. If they released a game that had unplayable performance on all NVIDIA GPU's, then that would be approximatly half the gaming community elminated from their market share. It would be like saying Doom III will not support AMD processors, completely ridiculous. Valve are treading dangerous ground trying to push gamers into using only their partners cards for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machima Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I just can't believe this community. Most of you are little whining bitches who don't deserve to play games. Just because they've delayed it ONE TIME, doesn't mean that the game is crap/vapourware etc. Look at Doom 3, they announced that what? MacWorld '01? And they said it would be out 2002. Guess what? It didn't come out. Then they say 2003, and it doesnt come out again. If they're lucky they might hit '04, but who knows. Look at Blizzard, they have a reputation to delay games over and over and over again. But when they release it, people still lap it up and praise their name. You people need to get over the fact that it will be done when it's DONE. Until then, please, play the plethora of other games avaliable now, and in the near-future. And keep shut about HL2. EDIT: Oh yeah, can a mod change the thread title please? The info isn't official so it's wrong, and that means more "OMG ITS DELAYED???!!!" posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 (edited) I just can't believe this community. Most of you are little whining bitches who don't deserve to play games. Just because they've delayed it ONE TIME, doesn't mean that the game is crap/vapourware etc. Look at Doom 3, they announced that what? MacWorld '01? And they said it would be out 2002. Guess what? It didn't come out. Then they say 2003, and it doesnt come out again. If they're lucky they might hit '04, but who knows.Look at Blizzard, they have a reputation to delay games over and over and over again. But when they release it, people still lap it up and praise their name. You people need to get over the fact that it will be done when it's DONE. Until then, please, play the plethora of other games avaliable now, and in the near-future. And keep shut about HL2. EDIT: Oh yeah, can a mod change the thread title please? The info isn't official so it's wrong, and that means more "OMG ITS DELAYED???!!!" posts. dude, take a chill pill. Delayed twice, if this is official delay. Remember the original date was September 30th 2003. Also, the reason we tolerate other games delays are that their marketting shows them to be a future game...many games are shown at E3 many years before they become an actuality...Valve's marketting scheme planned to show it to the world and have people purchase their product near out of shock that the game had actually been developed and released. Also, Gabe Nawell insisted that the Radeon 9600xt and 9800xt were the best cards to play the game with. People have gone out and purchased them, but come September this year these cards shall already be dated, and the game will perform better on even newer hardware. So it is the fault of Valve's marketting, they pumped the game at e3 and told us it was mere months away, and what they were showing us they showed us as a next to finished product. The delays don't bug me, because I follow nothing Valve says. I will play the game when it comes out, and then I may still be running my GeForce 4 Ti 4800, and I don't give a care in the world. No game developer tells me what hardware to use, their job is to develop it for all modern hardware, if they wan't a larger market share. What Valve have showed us is an example of how NOT to develop a computer game. Even Duke Nukem Forever is been developed better. But I look forward to STALKER a lot more than Half Life 2. Reminds me of a ruralised Deus Ex for some reason. EDIT accidently wrote the wrong date Edited January 21, 2004 by Chode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForkliftDude Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 whose original release date was april 2003? halflife2? if so, impossible because they only announced it on the e3 which was in may. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ficman Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Looks like HL2 has hired the Duke Nukem "Forever" Team... Great call... :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 (edited) whose original release date was april 2003? halflife2? if so, impossible because they only announced it on the e3 which was in may. woopsies, I had the wrong date. I've fixed it now.... don't know where I pulled April from....I think that was when the first magazine images started appearing. Anyways, and if you want all the official dates and such... I got this from here August 23, 2001 Half-Life 2 Still Not Announced April 21, 2003 Half-Life 2 at E3 May 14, 2003 E3 2003: Half-Life 2 Teaser July 02, 2003 Half-Life 2 Answers at halflife2.net forums July 11, 2003 Half-Life Movie News July 14, 2003 New Half-Life 2 Screens (G-Man) July 14, 2003 New Half-Life 2 Footage July 16, 2003 More Half-Life 2 Screens July 17, 2003 Half-Life 2 Pics July 25, 2003 Half-Life 2 AA discussed July 28, 2003 Half-Life 2 "Traptown" demo movie. July 28, 2003 Half-Life 2 Screens July 29, 2003 Half-Life 2 Not in September (officially declared by Vivendi, who stated Holidays 2003 as the release time) July 30, 2003 Tunnels movie released August 12, 2003 Barricade movie released September 03, 2003 Half-Life 2 Release method discussed, specifically the Steam delivery system. September 11, 2003 Source Engine DirectX 9 Demo Movie released September 19, 2003 Half Life 2 previews appear in Tokyo September 23, 2003 Valve confirm delay until "Holidays 2003" September 30, 2003 Half-Life 2 for "Free" with 9600/9800 Xt cards October 02, 2003 Half-Life 2 Source Code Stolen confirmed by Valve October 07, 2003 Half-Life 2 Delayed 'Til April 2004, (officially declared by Vivendi president) January 05, 2004 Brand New Half-Life 2 Screens Hope that clarifies some dates for you....interesting to note that VALVE themselves apparently never confirmed the September delay, they just let the game go unreleased :huh: Also, if this rumour of a delay is true, that will make it the 3rd delay. Edited January 21, 2004 by Chode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxicfume Veteran Posted January 21, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 21, 2004 Honestly speaking, I have almost already lost most of the interest I had of this game and to me it's charm is over now. I'm not saying they shouldn't make mistakes or anything, they are humans too...but there comes a point where you get frustrated of such delays and inactivity from the company(to the public atleast, hopefully they are working within) that you've totally lost interest from the game, and that point is nearing me soon I fear. I still have some hopes for this game..hopefully the storyline will be as good as HL1 was, but to me games like Far Cry even Doom 3 have taken the throne off of HL2...yes just because of such delays, just like the producers are humans and thay can make mistakes, they must realize that the consumers are humans too, and many don't have eternal patience. Either ways, I guess I am going to enjoy the other games being released while I wait for hl2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machima Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 dude, take a chill pill.Delayed twice, if this is official delay. Remember the original date was September 30th 2003. Also, the reason we tolerate other games delays are that their marketting shows them to be a future game...many games are shown at E3 many years before they become an actuality...Valve's marketting scheme planned to show it to the world and have people purchase their product near out of shock that the game had actually been developed and released. Also, Gabe Nawell insisted that the Radeon 9600xt and 9800xt were the best cards to play the game with. People have gone out and purchased them, but come September this year these cards shall already be dated, and the game will perform better on even newer hardware. So it is the fault of Valve's marketting, they pumped the game at e3 and told us it was mere months away, and what they were showing us they showed us as a next to finished product. The delays don't bug me, because I follow nothing Valve says. I will play the game when it comes out, and then I may still be running my GeForce 4 Ti 4800, and I don't give a care in the world. No game developer tells me what hardware to use, their job is to develop it for all modern hardware, if they wan't a larger market share. What Valve have showed us is an example of how NOT to develop a computer game. Even Duke Nukem Forever is been developed better. But I look forward to STALKER a lot more than Half Life 2. Reminds me of a ruralised Deus Ex for some reason. EDIT accidently wrote the wrong date Ok, 1. In fact it's only been delayed once, this can't be called a delay because Valve never actually set a date, they just said maybe around now if we're lucky. 2. Ok, ok, so Valve's plan failed. But really, is it that big a deal that we didn't get it at the time we thought? Is our lives that much different because of the hype that the game had and lost? We're no worse off (Apart from Ati, but not really as people scooped up their cards by the bucket). Products have unexpected delays, deal with it. 3. This is a bad thing, but hey, look on the upside. I went and got a 9600XT, sure I can't play HL2, but it gives me the hardware to play the other games coming out before it (STALKER hopefully, Doom3, Far Cry) at nice FPS. It seems as if ATi is no worse off, and neither should gamers as long as they're playing new games, if not then they'd be ****ed. But I dont know anyone who bought an ATi card just for HL2, they're buying it for all new games. 4. They aren't telling you to use an ATi card, they're just saying that ATi cards will run the game better as they've coded for the Radeon's superior DX9 capabilities. And you know, they have developed it for all modern hardware, a TNT2 can run the game you know (Even though it will look absolutely horrendous and like HL1). 5. What is so bad huh? Oh ****, they missed a release date, that must mean that the ENTIRE game is absolutely horrendous. Blizzard, buddy. Yeah, DNF is being developed better even though they haven't released any screenshots this millenium (Or was it 2001, maybe, correct me if i'm wrong), thats a great way to develop hype indeed. 6. I too look forward to STALKER, but I still want HL2. Maybe STALKER might cure my deep dissapointment with DX2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Ok, 1. In fact it's only been delayed once, this can't be called a delay because Valve never actually set a date, they just said maybe around now if we're lucky. 2. Ok, ok, so Valve's plan failed. But really, is it that big a deal that we didn't get it at the time we thought? Is our lives that much different because of the hype that the game had and lost? We're no worse off (Apart from Ati, but not really as people scooped up their cards by the bucket). Products have unexpected delays, deal with it. 3. This is a bad thing, but hey, look on the upside. I went and got a 9600XT, sure I can't play HL2, but it gives me the hardware to play the other games coming out before it (STALKER hopefully, Doom3, Far Cry) at nice FPS. It seems as if ATi is no worse off, and neither should gamers as long as they're playing new games, if not then they'd be ****ed. But I dont know anyone who bought an ATi card just for HL2, they're buying it for all new games. 4. They aren't telling you to use an ATi card, they're just saying that ATi cards will run the game better as they've coded for the Radeon's superior DX9 capabilities. And you know, they have developed it for all modern hardware, a TNT2 can run the game you know (Even though it will look absolutely horrendous and like HL1). 5. What is so bad huh? Oh ****, they missed a release date, that must mean that the ENTIRE game is absolutely horrendous. Blizzard, buddy. Yeah, DNF is being developed better even though they haven't released any screenshots this millenium (Or was it 2001, maybe, correct me if i'm wrong), thats a great way to develop hype indeed. 6. I too look forward to STALKER, but I still want HL2. Maybe STALKER might cure my deep dissapointment with DX2. read my last point dude, it was an edit and it will clarify many of your points. Also, we won't see S.T.A.L.K.E.R. until September. Yeah, it got delayed, but people aren't as dissapointed as they are with Half Life 2. Which is interesting, because according to IGN.com, more people are looking forward to STALKER than Half Life 2. Also, the performance of Half Life 2 on NVIDIA cards is interesting as the official benchmarks were using a version of the NVIDIA drivers that had poor Direct X 9 support. Heck, Valve eveb refused to use a pre-release version that NVIDIA themselves were offering them. It's like comparing the ATI catalyst drivers of about 3 releases ago with the current ones (or something like that...I don't know ATI's drivers). And some did buy the cards just for HL2, the coupon inside that is :p But this is not an NVIDIA vs ATI thread. The point is that Valve may no longer rightfully possess the crown of great development they once earned with the original Half Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbob Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Ok...VALVe has had it's messups obviously, but VALVe doesn't "owe" people anything (unless of course you bought an 9800XT or 9600XT)! I was especially ****ed when the guy that leaked HL2 made a big deal out of lying to fans. They can do what they want with it, it's their game, not his. I am anticipating the release of it, but the longer they have the better it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatCat Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 hahaaha It's all starting to make sense why they didn't announce this game 5 years ago.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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