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59 dead after shooting on Las Vegas Strip; suspect ID'd

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JoseyWales    566

I'm with you. I don't know what to make of it all either.. Things just don't add up and there looks to be a lot more going on than they are letting on to.

 

The fog of war is a bitch and this one is a prime example of it. All we have is pieces of the puzzle and it's no fun trying to make sense of it all. Seeing things like this and how fast they put out an "official" story it's troublesome. By morning their entire narrative was in place. I don't see conspiracy but an attempt to downplay what really happened as to not freak out the entire country..

 

Why give ISIS the satisfaction when you can put it out that it was something else as not to bolster their support, pretty much.. It does makes me wonder it the "calm before the storm"  comment President Trump made is tied to this incident though.

 

Speculation, not conspiracy..

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patseguin    1,328

Please do not challenge the decisions of the moderators. This topic in particular can get wildly out of control with conspiracy theories and we have forums for that. Thanks.

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Slugsie    1,238
7 hours ago, JoseyWales said:

Watch and learn..

 

So a video by 'Natural News', a website dedicated to dietary supplements and alternative therapies, and a promoter of fake science news articles, and conspiracy theories (chem trails, really?). Not a great start. This guy is from CWC Labs, a company that specialises in soil sampling. Also not a great start for the subject matter.

 

Half way through and for the most part his analysis seems reasonably sound, although with some potential holes. Like he seems to forget that sound echos. An echo would arrive at an unexpected time, and could overlay the ground strikes in such a way as to make accurate analysis very difficult. He's also admitted that his analysis is of .223 rounds travelling at 975m/s. A quick google shows that some .223 rounds can travel at up to 1145m/s which would have a flight time nearly 0.1 seconds less. From what I can gather Paddock was found to have weapons other than the AR-15, so he may have had access to even higher velocities.

 

 He's also now going on as if the FBI and local law enforcement haven't done this sort of analysis, does he have any evidence they haven't? Nothing presented so far.

 

18 minutes in he openly admits he has not training in 'Forensic acoustic analysis'. I.e. he doesn't actually know what's required, or how to undertake the analysis in a professional and accurate manner.

 

19 minutes in, Ad hominem attacks on FBI/media. Always a great way to bolster your argument. :wacko:

 

22 minutes in, finally mentions echoes, but dismisses them *with no evidence*. As he's admitted he has no training in acoustic analysis his dismissal holds little water. He's now saying about a lot of Law Enforcement agencies don't know how to do this forensic analysis, so he's giving them the benefit of his lack of training. :rofl:

 

NO ONE IS CLAIMING HE CAN TELEPORT EXCEPT YOU.

 

I'm pretty damn sure that the FBI has people who know EXACTLY about audio analysis, ballistics, etc. and will run your analysis into the ground.

 

24 minutes. The fact that the FBI hasn't pinpointed the exact location of a second shooter should probably tell you something.

 

I can't be bothered listening to the last few minutes of this guy wittering on.

 

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JoseyWales    566

So are you saying that the ballistic analysis is conspiratorial or the woman's interview? Or was it the NYP article stating that ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack? As for the FBI, to put out that they have it all figured out day one is the conspiracy. Their story has changed several times this week since they told us "what happened".. None of what I have posted is anything even remotely conspiratorial. Just the opposite in fact, a search for the truth..

 

In a rigged system no less..

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Slugsie    1,238
3 hours ago, patseguin said:

Please do not challenge the decisions of the moderators. This topic in particular can get wildly out of control with conspiracy theories and we have forums for that. Thanks.

Oops, sorry if my analysis of the video JoseyWales posted over steps the mark. I started typing it up before you posted but got interrupted so came back to it much later.

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JoseyWales    566
2 minutes ago, Slugsie said:

So a video by 'Natural News', a website dedicated to dietary supplements and alternative therapies, and a promoter of fake science news articles, and conspiracy theories (chem trails, really?). Not a great start. This guy is from CWC Labs, a company that specialises in soil sampling. Also not a great start for the subject matter.

 

Half way through and for the most part his analysis seems reasonably sound, although with some potential holes. Like he seems to forget that sound echos. An echo would arrive at an unexpected time, and could overlay the ground strikes in such a way as to make accurate analysis very difficult. He's also admitted that his analysis is of .223 rounds travelling at 975m/s. A quick google shows that some .223 rounds can travel at up to 1145m/s which would have a flight time nearly 0.1 seconds less. From what I can gather Paddock was found to have weapons other than the AR-15, so he may have had access to even higher velocities.

 

 He's also now going on as if the FBI and local law enforcement haven't done this sort of analysis, does he have any evidence they haven't? Nothing presented so far.

 

18 minutes in he openly admits he has not training in 'Forensic acoustic analysis'. I.e. he doesn't actually know what's required, or how to undertake the analysis in a professional and accurate manner.

 

19 minutes in, Ad hominem attacks on FBI/media. Always a great way to bolster your argument. :wacko:

 

22 minutes in, finally mentions echoes, but dismisses them *with no evidence*. As he's admitted he has no training in acoustic analysis his dismissal holds little water. He's now saying about a lot of Law Enforcement agencies don't know how to do this forensic analysis, so he's giving them the benefit of his lack of training. :rofl:

 

NO ONE IS CLAIMING HE CAN TELEPORT EXCEPT YOU.

 

I'm pretty damn sure that the FBI has people who know EXACTLY about audio analysis, ballistics, etc. and will run your analysis into the ground.

 

24 minutes. The fact that the FBI hasn't pinpointed the exact location of a second shooter should probably tell you something.

 

I can't be bothered listening to the last few minutes of this guy wittering on.

 

Just because the guy is out there a bit does not make his presentation wrong. Like I said, it would be easy enough to disprove if incorrect so why dismiss it out of hand. He is a sound annalist for his day job..

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Slugsie    1,238
1 minute ago, JoseyWales said:

So are you saying that the ballistic analysis is conspiratorial or the woman's interview? Or was it the NYP article stating that ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack? As for the FBI, to put out that they have it all figured out day one is the conspiracy. Their story has changed several times this week since they told us "what happened".. None of what I have posted is anything even remotely conspiratorial. Just the opposite in fact, a search for the truth..

 

In a rigged system no less..

Why shouldn't the FBIs story of events change? As they get more information things can change. In the immediate aftermath I watched several interviews with LEOs who said the situation was very fluid and that there had been plenty of breakdowns in communications.

 

Given that it'd be odd if their story stayed constant despite new information, and as they pinned down the order of events.

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JoseyWales    566
Just now, Slugsie said:

Why shouldn't the FBIs story of events change? As they get more information things can change. In the immediate aftermath I watched several interviews with LEOs who said the situation was very fluid and that there had been plenty of breakdowns in communications.

 

Given that it'd be odd if their story stayed constant despite new information, and as they pinned down the order of events.

Fog of war, my point with it all is not to take anything for granted.. Some of it is compelling and worth a second look. Most just want to take the FBI at it's word and to be frank, their word doesn't mean a lot these days.

Funny as how the same ones pissing all over these things and taking the FBI at it's word are the same ones calling cops pigs and all that.. Nice little double standard there wouldn't you say?

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Slugsie    1,238
16 minutes ago, JoseyWales said:

Just because the guy is out there a bit does not make his presentation wrong. Like I said, it would be easy enough to disprove if incorrect so why dismiss it out of hand. He is a sound annalist for his day job..

It also doesn't make it right. How do you know the FBI hasn't done the analysis and found it wanting? They have stated that they aren't looking for a second shooter; that suggests that they probably have investigated the matter and dismissed it. He admitted that he isn't trained in audio analysis right there in the video. He works for a company that specialises in soil sample analysis.

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JoseyWales    566
11 minutes ago, Slugsie said:

It also doesn't make it right. How do you know the FBI hasn't done the analysis and found it wanting? They have stated that they aren't looking for a second shooter; that suggests that they probably have investigated the matter and dismissed it. He admitted that he isn't trained in audio analysis right there in the video. He works for a company that specialises in soil sample analysis.

missed that, thought it was a sound whatever company or some such. Still easy enough to verify by a qualified tech and easily proved or disproved.

 

Look, there are way to many things out of place with all this and there is something bigger going on than what they want to let on. I want it figured out no matter how f,n stupid it might seem. To many things have been buried in the past and we are at a point in history were that does not need to be the case anymore. They can't hide things like ISIS claiming responsibility or that woman's interview.. Even the cabby video for that matter. I listened to and watched many hours of it and as an vet I can say it did not sound like just one shooter.. But I was not there so I can not state anything for sure.. But I could pick out two shooters in the sound.

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1 hour ago, JoseyWales said:

missed that, thought it was a sound whatever company or some such. Still easy enough to verify by a qualified tech and easily proved or disproved.

 

Look, there are way to many things out of place with all this and there is something bigger going on than what they want to let on. I want it figured out no matter how f,n stupid it might seem. To many things have been buried in the past and we are at a point in history were that does not need to be the case anymore. They can't hide things like ISIS claiming responsibility or that woman's interview.. Even the cabby video for that matter. I listened to and watched many hours of it and as an vet I can say it did not sound like just one shooter.. But I was not there so I can not state anything for sure.. But I could pick out two shooters in the sound.

No you could not. You are lying. 

 

This isn't a conspiracy. One man killed 59 and wounder hundreds more with rifles that could should at near full auto. 

 

End of story. Nothing you say will change the actual facts. Anything you say that is conspiratorial, is worth nothing. 

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JoseyWales    566
49 minutes ago, wakjak said:

No you could not. You are lying. 

 

This isn't a conspiracy. One man killed 59 and wounder hundreds more with rifles that could should at near full auto. 

 

End of story. Nothing you say will change the actual facts. Anything you say that is conspiratorial, is worth nothing. 

Ah, so the results of the investigation are in and you just got the report. OK... Thanks for proving my point..

 

FYI, he mentions what he did in the vid. I seem to have mistaken soil annalist with sound annalist when he said it so bite me.. I bet his results are repeatable, sound annalist or not. Prove it wrong big talker, if you can..

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JoseyWales    566

To be clear, I'm not saying anything other than that guy did this. I just find all of the other things to be very troubling and that in this day and age we should not take anything for granted. Some of this stuff is very compelling and not in a conspiratorial way. This is nothing like the 911 and JFK crap we have all heard. We have good vids and eyewitness testimony to things that do give the appearance of something being amiss.. What, we may never know but I for one would like to find out the truth about what really happened that night.

 

It may very well be nothing more than a brilliant mad man, but the again there might be some credence to some of this stuff we are seeing coming to light. It is way more than what you would normally see for a bunch of conspiracist to have cocked up.

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CrashG    439
On 10/6/2017 at 11:24 AM, The Evil Overlord said:

The media want copycats. Look at all the free exposure they offer.

We all agree on that.

Yup, the band Disturbed has a song about that very thing:

Stop giving them the fame they so desire. If they only went out like a fart in the breeze.

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dipsylalapo    1,895

All, there have been two previous warnings re. the discussions in this topic.

 

We have specific forums for discussing conspiracies, so please use those.  If you feel this is unfair, please PM a Mod or Supervisor and we can discuss. 

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