Jerry Jones gives Cowboys players ultimatum: Stand for anthem or sit for game


Recommended Posts

techbeck    7,580

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Sunday any player who disrespects the flag will not play.

 

Jones’ comments, the strongest made on the anthem controversy, came after he was asked about Vice President Mike Pence leaving the game in Indianapolis early after several San Francisco 49ers players took a knee during the national anthem.

 

"I know this, we cannot ... in the NFL in any way give the implication that we tolerate disrespecting the flag," he said following the Cowboys’ 35-31 loss to the Green Bay Packers. "We know that there is a serious debate in this country about those issues, but there is no question in my mind that the National Football League and the Dallas Cowboys are going to stand up for the flag. So we're clear."

 

Jones and the rest of the team knelt arm-in-arm before the national anthem before a game against the Arizona Cardinals two weeks ago, days after President Trump reignited the anthem-protest controversy.

 

More....

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/10/09/jerry-jones-gives-cowboys-players-ultimatum-stand-for-anthem-or-sit-for-game.html

 

Good deal.  Detroit Lions owner said that if players stopped kneeling, then she will donate money to organizations to help their cause.  Also, Kaepernick reached bottom and stated that he will stand for the anthem if he is allowed to play again. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
kcbworth    3,481

What does this have to do with politics?

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
1 minute ago, kcbworth said:

What does this have to do with politics?

It is called posting in the wrong forum.  I am in the process of having it moved.   Just a mistake....

Link to post
Share on other sites
NJ Louch    9,652
23 minutes ago, techbeck said:

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Sunday any player who disrespects the flag will not play.

"Disrespects the flag" is such an asinine thing to say.  Some would argue that it's absolutely respectful to the nation, and vehemently patriotic to show a peaceful yet notable act of defiance to the POTUS when he is acting in a way that they deem to be detrimental to (and here's the kicker) THE PEOPLE OF the state.

Edited by Nefarious Trigger
  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
PsYcHoKiLLa    2,598

"I know this, we cannot ... in the NFL in any way give the implication that we tolerate disrespecting the flag,"

 

So does that mean they tolerate innocent black men being gunned down by the police or choked to death for no reason? Cos that's what the protest is about.

 

One guy was shot dead, in his own car, when he went to fetch his licence which the officer asked him to fetch. Apparently black people are supposed to possess the power of telekinesis.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
NJ Louch    9,652
8 minutes ago, techbeck said:

It is called posting in the wrong forum.  I am in the process of having it moved.   Just a mistake....

In fairness, it is politically motivated.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
12 minutes ago, PsYcHoKiLLa said:

"I know this, we cannot ... in the NFL in any way give the implication that we tolerate disrespecting the flag,"

 

So does that mean they tolerate innocent black men being gunned down by the police or choked to death for no reason? Cos that's what the protest is about.

Funny  considering that 2wks ago after Trump said players should be fired there was a rise in the amount of people who knelt during the anthem.  Then a week later, those numbers dropped.  So lots there was just protesting Trump because of his comments.  So there are lots that are just following the crowd. And there are a lot of stats that black people are not the majority of those killed by  cops.

 

People have a right to protest and I am all for that.  But there is a time/place for it and just because you have the right to do something, does not make it the right things to do (protesting at the anthem).  And the anthem was not the proper place to protest.  All it is doing is dividing people more and pissing off a lot of people.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Jim K    16,026

Jerry Jones, as the owner of the Cowboys, has every right to sit players for reasons such as this.  Ultimately, that is where it should lie ... not with the Executive Branch telling organizations (or private individuals) that they cannot express their First Amendment rights.  Note:  You can express your First Amendment rights all you want ... but you also can face consequences from your employer (for example Jones sitting you out the game).  This should have stayed at the "local" level ... let the players, fans and owners handle it ... not have Trump whine about it for weeks and having Pence waste taxpayer dollars attending a NFL game which was just for show.

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
9 minutes ago, Jim K said:

  This should have stayed at the "local" level ... let the players, fans and owners handle it

They were not handling it well and was just serving to divide people more and more.   Want to protest, do so in a way that is not disrespectful.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Jim K    16,026
11 minutes ago, techbeck said:

They were not handling it well and was just serving to divide people more and more.   Want to protest, do so in a way that is not disrespectful.

It isn't the Executive Branch's place to dictate when/how people (or their employers) express their First Amendment rights (when done so peacefully).  "Divide people more and more" ... hmmm ... that is very subjective.  If fans didn't like players kneeling ... they could have expressed that with their pocket books.  If owners didn't like players kneeling ... they could have set them out.  You didn't need Trump flapping his gums condemning their actions (though ironically he has been quiet regarding the white nationalists in Charlottesville this weekend).  

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
Just now, Jim K said:

It isn't the Executive Branch place to dictate when/how people (or their employers) express their First Amendment rights (when done so peacefully).  "Divide people more and more" ... hmmm ... that is very subjective.  If fans didn't like players kneeling ... they could have expressed that with their pocket books.  If owners didn't like players kneeling ... they could have set them out.  You didn't need Trump flapping his gums condemning their actions (though ironically he has been quiet regarding the white nationalists in Charlottesville this weekend).  

What, Trump does not get an opinion either?  And dictate what?  He didn't order the owners to fire players, he said they should be fired.   There are also a lot of people boycotting and expressing their distaste with they pocket books.  NFL ratings are down and the NFL has dropped to the least popular professional/college sport.

 

You want to protest, peacefully, I am all for it.  But again, doing so during the national anthem sends the wrong message.  That  really is my main gripe with the whole protesting at the anthem.

  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Jim K    16,026
11 minutes ago, techbeck said:

What, Trump does not get an opinion either?  And dictate what?  He didn't order the owners to fire players, he said they should be fired.   There are also a lot of people boycotting and expressing their distaste with they pocket books.  NFL ratings are down and the NFL has dropped to the least popular professional/college sport.

 

You want to protest, peacefully, I am all for it.  But again, doing so during the national anthem sends the wrong message.  That  really is my main gripe with the whole protesting at the anthem.

He has been going on for weeks about this...

 

Also, yes, he can have an opinion but a POTUS' opinion carries a lot of weight ... even those opinions which are in stark contrast to the First Amendment (which as a POTUS you should be defending).  These are peaceful "protest" by some players...don't like it ... don't watch.  If the NFL collapses because of this ... so be it.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
1 minute ago, Jim K said:

Also, yes, he can have an opinion but a POTUS' opinion carries a lot of weight ...

Of course....and glad he said something.   People were just getting more upset and angry and causing more issues.
 

Quote


These are peaceful "protest" by some players...don't like it ... don't watch. 

 

Peaceful, sure, right time/place, no.  Also, I am curious how many of these players are actually doing something outside if the NFL and not just 2min per week as a "look at me" stunt.  Kaepernick didnt do anything at first, but now he is and I applaud him for it.  Standing around accomplishes very little, if anything at all.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Jim K    16,026
35 minutes ago, techbeck said:

Of course....and glad he said something.   People were just getting more upset and angry and causing more issues.
 

Peaceful, sure, right time/place, no.  Also, I am curious how many of these players are actually doing something outside if the NFL and not just 2min per week as a "look at me" stunt.  Kaepernick didnt do anything at first, but now he is and I applaud him for it.  Standing around accomplishes very little, if anything at all.

Right, I'll probably defer future political comments to the other thread.  Anyway, like I said originally this should have always been a NFL/players/fan issue...not an Executive Branch issue.  Their duty is to uphold the Constitution ... not suggest firing of citizens because they expressed (peacefully) their First Amendment rights (that is the employer's job).

 

Though, I did want to touch on this ....

 

52 minutes ago, techbeck said:

What, Trump does not get an opinion either?  And dictate what?  He didn't order the owners to fire players, he said they should be fired.   There are also a lot of people boycotting and expressing their distaste with they pocket books.  NFL ratings are down and the NFL has dropped to the least popular professional/college sport.

 

You want to protest, peacefully, I am all for it.  But again, doing so during the national anthem sends the wrong message.  That  really is my main gripe with the whole protesting at the anthem.

I really do not want to pick and choose stats ... or how accurately ratings reflect true viewership (in this day where you can consume media via a host of platforms) ... but there is one simple fact.  NFL revenue has continued to grow despite the "doom and gloom" of the "ratings drop."  They pulled in $14B last year (an increase of 7% from the year prior and $6B more when compared to 2010).  They aren't going anywhere and this kneeling vs. non-kneeling is probably having a minimal effect at best (or worst).

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
1 minute ago, Jim K said:

I really do not want to pick and choose stats ... or how accurately ratings reflect true viewership (in this day where you can consume media via a host of platforms) ... but there is one simple fact.  NFL revenue has continued to grow despite the "doom and gloom" of the "ratings drop."  They pulled in $14B last year (an increase of 7% from the year prior and $6B more when compared to 2010).  They aren't going anywhere and this kneeling vs. non-kneeling is probably having a minimal effect at best (or worst).

Increasing costs have a lot to do with the money the NFL makes as well.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Rippleman    3,851
1 hour ago, Jim K said:

It isn't the Executive Branch's place to dictate when/how people (or their employers) express their First Amendment rights (when done so peacefully).  "Divide people more and more" ... hmmm ... that is very subjective.  If fans didn't like players kneeling ... they could have expressed that with their pocket books.  If owners didn't like players kneeling ... they could have set them out.  You didn't need Trump flapping his gums condemning their actions (though ironically he has been quiet regarding the white nationalists in Charlottesville this weekend).  

They didn't dictate it, the target of your sides obsession gave his opinion. Types like you turned into something more. 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Jim K    16,026
7 minutes ago, techbeck said:

Increasing costs have a lot to do with the money the NFL makes as well.

How much was that?

Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
Just now, Jim K said:

How much was that?

I don't know exactly, but  costs are always rising.  That is just a known fact.  May not make up for the total numbers, but that is part of the reason why they are still making money.

Link to post
Share on other sites
NJ Louch    9,652
57 minutes ago, techbeck said:

People were just getting more upset and angry and causing more issues.

So the POTUS should use his personal opinion with the weight of the office to silence a protest?

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
9 minutes ago, Nefarious Trigger said:

So the POTUS should use his personal opinion with the weight of the office to silence a protest?

No, to make people show respect.  Other and more better ways to protest this than 2min a week.  No one is saying thy cannot protest, just that during the anthem is not the proper place to do so.

Edited by techbeck
Link to post
Share on other sites
Jim K    16,026
15 minutes ago, techbeck said:

I don't know exactly, but  costs are always rising.  That is just a known fact.  May not make up for the total numbers, but that is part of the reason why they are still making money.

Gotcha, and I agree that costs are always rising (such is inflation) ... but my point was that one cannot point to viewership as an indicator of the overall health of the NFL.  Personally, I do not care about the NFL (I like College Football) ... and never have (except when Joe Montana and Jerry Rice were playing).  

 

However, the NFL is still as healthy as they ever were and they aren't falling off due to some players kneeling.  You have recent articles like this which helps to explain their current state (and value).

Quote

NFL owners are minting money thanks to hefty TV contracts and a favorable labor deal with the players. Operating profits (earnings, before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) were a record $101 million per team last season, with every team north of $40 million. The $3.2 billion in league-wide income is $500 million more than the combined earnings of teams in the NBA, NHL and MLB.

 

The Cowboys are the NFL's most valuable team for the 11th straight year and the world's most valuable sports franchise. America’s Team is worth $4.8 billion, up 14%, with profits of $350 million thanks to a booming merchandise business and the revenue opportunities at their new practice facility, The Star.

Full Article at Forbes

 

Edit:  And I'll be watching Monday Football tonight ... just for the Star Wars trailer ... and then turn it off ... haha.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
NJ Louch    9,652
8 minutes ago, techbeck said:

No, to make people show respect.  Other and more better ways to protest this than 2min a week.

Respect to whom or what?  Don't say something ridiculous like "The flag" or "The anthem" - they are pawns in this and kneeling at such a point is exactly what the protest is - not against those items themselves, but the way they are a focal point to represent the issues within the nation.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
Just now, Nefarious Trigger said:

Respect to whom or what?  Don't say something ridiculous like "The flag" or "The anthem" - they are pawns in this and kneeling at such a point is exactly what the protest is - not against those items themselves, but the way they are a focal point to represent the issues within the nation.

if you cannot understand what that means to the men and women that fought for this country and which allowed these players to make the money they are making, then goodbye.  It started off as a protest to police injustice but now it has turned in to something else.  Needs to stop.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Jim K    16,026
2 minutes ago, techbeck said:

if you cannot understand what that means to the men and women that fought for this country and which allowed these players to make the money they are making, then goodbye.  It started off as a protest to police injustice but now it has turned in to something else.  Needs to stop.

...and who turned it into something else?

 

Trick question.  :) 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
techbeck    7,580
3 minutes ago, Jim K said:

...and who turned it into something else?

 

Trick question.  :) 

The men and women (veterans) who got ###### off for people standing and who took offense to it.    This has been going on before Trump opened his big mouth and people were getting more and more frustrated.  Trump just made things come to a head quicker than they would haven.  And again, funny how 200+ NFL players protested after Trump opened his mouth and then the next week after, the numbers were way down.  Meaning they were just protesting Trump and his comments...not the issues at hand.

  • Haha 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Jay Bonggolto
      NFL will virtually bring fans into stadiums via Microsoft Teams
      by Jay Bonggolto

      Microsoft announced today that it will provide virtual game day experiences to NFL fans using Teams as part of efforts to observe health standards amid the COVID-19 pandemic. The NFL will display spectators on LED screens in stadiums and on broadcast during key games.

      Fans will be featured via a virtual feed called Fan Mosaic, where the home team can invite them to watch games together through a VIP Teams meeting. They will also see the live game alongside a gallery view of other spectators in a dual screen display. Audio from the Teams meetings will be mixed with augmented crowd noise tailored for each stadium.

      The NFL will also install LED screens at each end zone in key games to let the players celebrate moments with fans when they score a touchdown. For each touchdown celebration, players can see the Fan Mosaic on the LED screens and connect with fans through the Bud Light Showtime cam.

      Teams will also be used by the league to manage operations throughout the season every week as the number of representatives onsite will be reduced. The NFL staff will use the videoconferencing tool for communication, document collaboration, and reporting, among others.

      Microsoft and NFL have been working since 2013 on many initiatives to provide support to coaching staff and referees as well as improve the fan experience. That partnership was extended earlier this year.

    • By Rich Woods
      Microsoft is extending its Surface deal with the NFL
      by Rich Woods

      Image via AP Today, Microsoft announced a multi-year extension of its partnership with the NFL, which has provided Surface hardware to the league since 2013. While there have been hiccups in the partnership over that time, such as with announcers calling them iPads or Patriots coach Bill Belichick ranting about them, it seems that those hiccups were exactly that.



      Aside from that extension, the partnership will also include Microsoft Teams, the company's collaboration service. Teams will be able to use Teams (pun intended) for general collaboration, for drawing up plays with Whiteboard integration, and more. In fact, several teams are already using Teams.

      "Since 2013, Microsoft has helped transform the NFL through technology around our game. Microsoft Surface has quickly become an authentic tool to the game of football and is vital during all NFL games for coaches, players, and NFL officials.," said Renie Anderson, Chief Revenue Officer and Executive Vice President of NFL Partnerships. "And now by working together to integrate Microsoft Teams across the League, together we aim to improve on communications and collaboration in a modern way."

      The Miami Dolphins used Teams to plan Super Bowl LIV at Hard Rock Stadium, the New York Jets use it for their football and business operations, including the draft, and the Kansas City Chiefs use it to coordinate scouts.

      "In Microsoft Teams we can easily collaborate on files, manage shared calendars, host meetings, and utilize existing integrations," said Kim Rometo, Vice President and Chief Information Officer for the Miami Dolphins. "Teams made cooperation with the NFL possible throughout the regular season and with Super Bowl planning."

      Microsoft says it will continue supporting the Surface Sideline Viewing System and the Surface Instant Replay, and it will continue to develop new solutions for teams and for the league.

    • By LoneWolfSL
      BioWare says Anthem's core systems are being reinvented, halts seasonal updates
      by Pulasthi Ariyasinghe

      BioWare's online action RPG Anthem released just under a year ago, giving players a brand new alien world to explore using Iron Man-like exosuits. However, overall reactions to the title haven't been positive from both critics and players alike since then. The game's lead producer Ben Irving also departed from the studio in August last year.

      Today, BioWare general manager Casey Hudson took to the studio's official blog to reveal what the game's future looks like as the one year anniversary approaches. In the coming months, the studio will be working on a fundamental "longer-term redesign of the experience," as it has come to the conclusion that the game's shortcomings in the loot experience, progression, and end game aspects cannot be fixed using just updates or expansions.

      The studio will be "working to reinvent the core gameplay loop with clear goals, motivating challenges and progression with meaningful rewards – while preserving the fun of flying and fighting in a vast science-fantasy setting." Hudson said that unlike the work that was done previously, now there will be a team that will take its time to "test and iterate, focusing on gameplay first."

      However, pivoting the development team to making a new experience like this means that Anthem's current seasonal update approach is coming to an end. Events, store refreshes, and repeats of previous seasonal content will be the only pieces of content the current edition will see while behind the scenes work is being done to revitalize the game.

    • By LoneWolfSL
      Anthem joins EA Access and Origin Access Basic subscriptions
      by Pulasthi Ariyasinghe

      BioWare's most recent action RPG, Anthem, is now available on all subscription services that EA offers across PC, Xbox One, and PlayStation 4. Origin Access and EA Access subscribers can now play the Standard Edition of the live service-focused title without any restrictions.

      Previously, only those enrolled in the more expensive Origin Access Premier tier service on PC had the game available to them, with other subscriptions only getting a 10-hour trial. It's not a secret that the game has had a troubled journey. The game's lead producer Ben Irving also left BioWare recently. Hopefully, its injection to all of the Access services should pump up the player numbers by quite a margin for a while.

      Alongside Anthem, EA also announced seven more games for the Origin Access services on PC, with two of them being Premier exclusive. Note that some of the Basic additions were on the Premier tier previously. Here's the full list:

      Origin Access Premier

      FIFA 20 (September 19) Plants vs. Zombies: Battle for Neighborville Founder's Edition Origin Access Basic + Premier

      Anthem Ultimate Chicken Horse Yooka-Laylee Out of the Park Baseball 20 The Escapists 2 Vambrace: Cold Soul Origin Access and EA Access services cost $4.99 a month, while the PC exclusive Origin Access Premier service comes in at $14.99 per month. All services give subscribers unlimited access to a massive collection of games, discounts on EA titles (across all games on Origin), and trials for upcoming games. The Premier variant adds on access to all newly released EA games and some other third-party recent releases on top of all that.

    • By LoneWolfSL
      Anthem Lead Producer Ben Irving is departing BioWare
      by Pulasthi Ariyasinghe

      Anthem Lead Producer Ben Irving revealed today that he is leaving BioWare for a position in another company. The move comes after an eight-year stint at BioWare, with Irving previously working on the MMORPG Star Wars: The Old Republic also as the lead producer.

      The announcement arrived via a series of tweets made by Irving, where he described BioWare as "the dream place" to work at. Regarding Anthem, he said the action RPG has a "bright future" and "a great team working on it." It's unknown for now who will be stepping up to take the Lead Producer position now that Irving has left the scene.

      Following the less than ideal fan reception the RPG has garnered since launch, Anthem received its Cataclysm update last week after months of delays. We will have to see how the game progresses now that a new lead will be dropping in. Hopefully, it won't follow in the footsteps of Mass Effect: Andromeda.

      Don't forget that this is not the only project BioWare has cooking, as it's already confirmed that the next Dragon Age game is also under development.