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LilSnoop40    6

good morning i have thinking about updating to 1gig RCN internet, how do i know if my Orbi router will support all that speed?  can anyone advise if i have the right router for these kinds of speed?

 

Thank you

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+Danielx64    517

Do you know what model router you have?

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LilSnoop40    6

Yes i have the Netgear Orbi Home WiFi System AC3000 its a router and 1 extra satellite

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+The Evil Overlord    17,776

I think you're ready, but I'll page @sc302 or @BudMan, as they'll know for sure. 

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LilSnoop40    6

yeah, not really seeing an exact answer when trying to google it.  thanks for everyone's help

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Stokkolm    281

You'll need a DOCSIS 3.1 compliant cable modem, but I assume RCN would provide that. Your WiFi setup should to be more than adequate. 

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LilSnoop40    6

ok, thanks i saw i needed the DOCSIS 3.1 as they won't allow you to provide your own at this time so you have to rent the one they provide.

 

Thanks again!

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+BudMan    2,921

What is your upload speed going to be.. docsis 3.0 can do gig down and 200 up..

 

So if your upload is 200 or less then you could bring your own modem.  From their website they say they just do not allow you to bring your own 3.1 but 3.0 is fine.

 

How much are they charging you to rent?  Most likely you would pay for the 3.0 modem in less than a year with rental fees.  I looked I could not find what their upload is on their gig plan..

 

I looked at the orbi routing speeds and looks like low 900's for a wired connection.. So yeah should be fine.. But don't expect to see that wireless ;)  I am not aware of any wave2 clients off the top of my head.. What wifi devices do you have?  So the best you could expect is 2 streams of 802.11ac at 80mhz channel is 866.7 PHY... So realistically /2 that or 430Mbps.. If all the stars are just right and nobody else on the wifi you might get 60% of that.. Or 519Mpbs..  But wouldn't get your hopes up.. Right on their performance page http://www.netgear.com/orbi/performance.aspx

 

They only list 223Mbps..

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LilSnoop40    6

they told me the download would be a 1 gig download and 20 upload, they told me i must get a new modem.  they charge $10 a month to rent the modem, i currently have the sb6142 or sb6141 that i bought.  my devices are ipad mini 2 and 4, ipad air, chromeboxes, 2 laptops, ps4 and xbox 1, a mi box and a wii.  are you saying it pointless to go up to 1gig speed as nothing i have will support it and would be better to just upgrade to the 330 ?  i currently have the 150 download.

 

Thank you!

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+BudMan    2,921

SB6142 is docsis 3 but its only 8 channels (343 Mbps)... So no it can not do gig.. Docsis 3 is capable of gig down and 200 up.. But it needs to have the appropriate number of channels.

 

If all of your devices are wifi.. There would be little reason to do gig to be honest.  What is the cost difference between their 300 and gig plan.. What is the upload on the 300 plan?  With the 300 plan you wouldn't need to buy a new modem either.

 

To be able to see gig or real world low 900's you would need to be on a wired device.  Your not going to be able to see anywhere close to gig with those devices..  I have an ipad air2  and I have 500/50... It gets 240ish Mbps down..  And does my 50 up no problem.  All comes down to what PHY it connects at.. While it could maybe do better than the 240..   But no it wouldn't even be able to do my 500..   The max PHY air2 is 866 so real world /2 of that.. so its possible could see maybe 400ish..  But then again depends on what else is using the wifi.. And while I have 3 AP in my house all wired.. there are multiple devices connecting to all of them.. Quick count off the top of my head 13+ wifi devices.. And I wire anything can be wired to keep that number down ;)   I have not bothered to do a wifi speed test with all the other wifi stuff off..  The 240 more than enough for my ipad ;)  Where I wanted the speed was my wired devices..

 

I am also always running beta code on the AP.. So sometimes its rocketship and I have tested 400+ wifi (internal before I got my 500/50 internet)..  Sometimes it not.. But I have only had the 500/50 line for a week or so.. So its been all about the wired speeds..  63MBps down from servers in the US have seen as peak real world.  I grabbed a 35GB tar file from a server of mine in the NL.. less then 14 minutes ;)  42MBps -- not too shabby...  And for me I wanted fatter upload.. The 10 I had was like watching paint dry when your uploading gigs and gigs of home movies to the cloud for backup..   ###### freaking flys now...

 

But no your wifi devices are not going to be able to take advantage of gig..  That being said if you had something on 2.4 and another on 5ghz they could both get good speeds that might push it past your 300 plan..  But devices on the same band share the bandwidth...  2.4 is only N... So with 2 channels 40mhz (not really supported on all devices).. max PHY would be 300.. So lets say 150ish.. So in theory you could exceed the 300mbps if you were using devices on 2.4 and 5(n or ac).. But it wouldn't really be that much more than your 330.. If everything was aligned, etc.

 

So unless your going to wire up some stuff I don't see where gig would be cost effective.  Especially if you have to rent their modem for 10$ a month, etc.  Its your money though.  The link I showed on the orbi only lists 223Mbps keep in mind..

 

 

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Mindovermaster    920

^Yeah, I was going to ask, OP, why do you need gig speed? Is your current speed not adequette? If it's wireless that's holding you back, I would look at better wireless cards that have the newest stuff. Or just get AP's if you are in an area far away from router.

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LilSnoop40    6

ok so after all the helpful information i am going to just upgrade to the 330 speeds.  could you recommend the best or good docsis 3.0 modem with 24 channel download and at least 8 upload, i am seeing 2 the SB6190 and the netgear cm700?  they told me to get a modem with at least 24 and 8 channels incase i ever decided to go to the gig speed.  i only have devices that are wifi through out my house nothing is wired, i experience slight lag but mostly solid just wanted to get more speed that's all.

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Mindovermaster    920

Unless you are wired, you will never need/use the gig speed...

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+BudMan    2,921

So the sb6190 was listed to having issues with the puma6 chipset, etc.  But I have it been using for a bit have ran the dslreports pum6 test and not seeing any issues with it..

 

Here I just ran a test while I am remote into my home box via teamviewer.. And shows fine..  And your suppose to run the test when nothing else is going on... Which clearly not the case since I am remoted in and for all I know the wife is stream some video on netflix - I didn't bother to check.

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To me they have fixed the issue with the firmware..  Your isp would load the firmware on the modem when you connect to them.. Not something you would do.

 

As to getting gig with wireless.. Yeah being able to do true gig over wireless is a bit off still.. Its coming but not current... When 802.11ad hits - then its a whole new ball game!

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patseguin    1,019

Wow 1 gig? Still limited to 70Mbps here in Buffalo!

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Circaflex    3,018
21 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

Unless you are wired, you will never need/use the gig speed...

Where on earth did you read this? Surely you wont max out the gig speed on wifi, but saying you will never need or use the speed isn't correct.

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+The Evil Overlord    17,776
2 minutes ago, Circaflex said:

Where on earth did you read this?

Not entirely related, but I do stand in some sort of agreement with mind... An average home user doesn't really need 1gps internet.

Those speeds to me would seem more suited in medical/defence sectors, or another sector where data is extremely time sensitive....

If op has the money, then more power to him.

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+Mando    3,667
3 minutes ago, The Evil Overlord said:

Not entirely related, but I do stand in some sort of agreement with mind... An average home user doesn't really need 1gps internet.

Those speeds to me would seem more suited in medical/defence sectors, or another sector where data is extremely time sensitive....

If op has the money, then more power to him.

id kill for Gbps at work, 150 users 26 servers and dual 100mbps mpls lines are pricey enough!

 

Gbps connections are the luxury of datacenters in the UK way too pricey!

 

heck im happy with recently getting FTTC :p

 

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LilSnoop40    6

ok so out of the 2 modems in question would you recommend one over the other since i am only updating to the 330 speed as the 1 gig won't benefit all my wireless connections and no hard wire:

 

SB6190 and the netgear cm700

 

Thanks

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Mindovermaster    920
21 minutes ago, Circaflex said:

Where on earth did you read this? Surely you wont max out the gig speed on wifi, but saying you will never need or use the speed isn't correct.

As a consumer, no. Gig connections are for businesses. 20+ users and 20+ servers as Mando said.

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Circaflex    3,018
31 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

As a consumer, no. Gig connections are for businesses. 20+ users and 20+ servers as Mando said.

For once, think outside of the box and not just piggy back off of someone else's comment. Technology is advancing every day, homes easily have upwards of 3 or 4 devices per person. 4K is attempting to be the norm, with 4K streaming coming shortly after (its already out there). Overkill, maybe, but future proofing and expanding into new areas could easily make for a reason to have 1gig internet. Heck, plenty of companies are offering house hold gig internet, so the idea that 20+ users and 20+ servers is needed, is not correct.

 

Now again, I completely understand that even having multiple devices streaming HD wont max out a 1Gbps connection, and can still be over kill. However, increased download speeds of say video can easily be played back in a few minutes on local devices. You also have the freedom to start computing more in the cloud, your local devices can come equipped with less storage space and just handle the network connection. There can be endless amounts of remote possibilities now. Think outside of the norm, imagine what can be done that we might have thought impossible before. Think about how large game downloads are now, game patches as well, digital purchases on XBOX which can be 8-25gb and even 50gb worth of downloading, done in a just a few minutes.

 

Think about it this way, if we all just thought "overkill" to every new technology, no matter how correct it may be, we would never advance. Ignoring price, why would anyone want or need this? To move technology forward. 15 years ago, we could ask why would anyone need the speeds we have today and could say they were overkill, now we are getting close to saturating those. Real time streaming is another great area where this can help.  The digital future is going to blow our minds.

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+Mando    3,667

oh dont get me wrong id LOVE Gbps at home...if only :D never thought about it until i downloaded forza 7 for PC 100Gb download, was like being back on DSL 1 again on FTTC! took all afternoon!

i work from home a lot and while it was doable on 16mbit it did slow my work rate down, 70mbit is better.....but as you say 1Gbps connection would rock.

 

 

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+The Evil Overlord    17,776

@Circaflex

(I didn't quite as I'm posting from my phone, and didn't want to edit)

<Overkill, for the future> 

Good point, I hadn't thought about it like that, the advancements now do make sense thinking like that, I stopped counting when the wireless devices in my house exceeded 12 just now, not to mention the 5 than run as wired, and I'm order to become a viable competitive alternative, it has to start somewhere.....

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+The Evil Overlord    17,776
24 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

As a consumer, no. Gig connections are for businesses. 20+ users and 20+ servers as Mando said.

I do still share your sentiment, I considered what Circaflex said, it does make sense also.

There was a time when I thought I had something special, as one of the first in the Midlands to have 20meg, all those years ago... 

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+Mando    3,667
2 minutes ago, The Evil Overlord said:

I do still share your sentiment, I considered what Circaflex said, it does make sense also.

There was a time when I thought I had something special, as one of the first in the Midlands to have 20meg, all those years ago... 

heheh i felt the same in the 90s when i took on a second phone line at my parents and went 64kbit ISDN :D whoooosh own phone line in my bedroom ahhh those were the days an apprentice and staying at home still, i was loaded even on a paltry wage :D

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