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adrynalyne    8,156
1 hour ago, trag3dy said:

For me it's not the thumbs down that bothers me but when a specific user goes through an entire thread and down votes every post you make without leaving any sort of response to any of it that bothers me.

 

I've even had posts where someone made a good point and I'd reply with something as innocuous as "fair enough" or something similar and even that gets thumbed down without a response. At that point they're not doing it because they disagree they're doing it because they have some sort of weird vendetta and it feels extremely childish.

 

I feel like if you're going to go through an entire thread an down vote every post a person makes a reason should be required otherwise why are you there? If you're not adding anything to a conversation then it amounts to being a low caliber troll at that point.

 

This is true, it becomes an a way of trolling that has no repercussions. They should at least reply with some substance. The fact that the notifications are within seconds of each other shows it is just an personal attack for them. They don’t read they fast!

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Circaflex    3,018
37 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

This is true, it becomes an a way of trolling that has no repercussions. They should at least reply with some substance. The fact that the notifications are within seconds of each other shows it is just an personal attack for them. They don’t read they fast!

100% agree with what you have said. The fact that this "feature" can be used to troll, or bring back arguments from months ago, without repercussions is disappointing. This thread is a little ironic, but I had it happen to me the first day they went active. Someone went back to posts from January and disliked a handful of them, from a thread where many arguments had happened, warnings were given out, yet they want to go back and dig it up in order to stir things up. This really showed the immaturity of some here at Neowin. It is a silly feature that does nothing for the community. One can easily see how there are groups of members who "target" each other and will dislike their posts no matter what. Sure, the dislikes don't do anything to your rep(which is pointless in itself), but they do potentially stir things up and if you make a comment like "hey why don't you add to the convo rather than just dislike everything" results in a warning for "calling someone out." Silly feature needs to disappear, but then again with the move to being more like Facebook and doing anything in their power to cater to the new crowd because of clicks and revenue, I doubt anything changes.

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Tuskd    1,457

I support the current reactions (and highly recommend a facepalm reaction :p) . I have not encountered any issues with it (heck, people like whatever I say :laugh:), but yes some people act childish with that dislike. Maybe some checks with the dislike button will be helpful. Something like "more than X dislikes to a particular person in a single thread brings the attention of a mod". 

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Circaflex    3,018
23 minutes ago, Tuskd said:

Something like "more than X dislikes to a particular person in a single thread brings the attention of a mod". 

I mentioned this before, but most web forums that have a rep system are also setup so that you can only +rep someone so many times before you are told to "spread additional reputation around before adding rep to this user again" and similarly to -rep.

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+LimeMaster    14,897

I really don't know why this was reopened since Neobond himself was not keen on changing the system. And it seems the majority agrees too. The thread no longer serves a valid purpose really. It's highly unlikely that the few who supported the change will bring new stuff to bring new stuff to the table.

13 hours ago, Circaflex said:

100% agree with what you have said. The fact that this "feature" can be used to troll, or bring back arguments from months ago, without repercussions is disappointing. This thread is a little ironic, but I had it happen to me the first day they went active. Someone went back to posts from January and disliked a handful of them, from a thread where many arguments had happened, warnings were given out, yet they want to go back and dig it up in order to stir things up. This really showed the immaturity of some here at Neowin. It is a silly feature that does nothing for the community. One can easily see how there are groups of members who "target" each other and will dislike their posts no matter what. Sure, the dislikes don't do anything to your rep(which is pointless in itself), but they do potentially stir things up and if you make a comment like "hey why don't you add to the convo rather than just dislike everything" results in a warning for "calling someone out." Silly feature needs to disappear, but then again with the move to being more like Facebook and doing anything in their power to cater to the new crowd because of clicks and revenue, I doubt anything changes.

Hmm, I made it very clear that was a test several times. The dislikes were quickly removed. But I would like to point oot that you're no better on that matter because you essentially did the same thing. Only difference being that you spread them out through different threads.

 

Anyway, I genuinely apologise for how much grief this has caused you. I hope you can learn to forgive me.

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Emn1ty    3,254

I want to echo a similar sentiment to @Circaflex, there are several users who just downvote every post I make in a thread and even some that simply upvote every post I make in a thread with little contribution. While I think it is a useful tool for those of us to react to things without having to resort to words (not everyone is excellent at getting their opinion across), it is odd when you see the same users regardless of the topic up/downvoting you. It almost feels as if you're being stalked by these users on a daily basis... just going to your new posts and just reacting in their usual pattern to everything in a thread.

 

I don't pay too much mind to it, but it's really weird behavior that has changed the way I feel about posting on this forum. Whether or not it prevents or results in more crap being slung around remains to be seen. Those being vocal about things typically don't stop at downvotes unless they feel they have nothing to truly add to a conversation anymore.

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+The Evil Overlord    17,778
1 minute ago, Emn1ty said:

I want to echo a similar sentiment to @Circaflex, there are several users who just downvote every post I make in a thread and even some that simply upvote every post I make in a thread with little contribution. While I think it is a useful tool for those of us to react to things without having to resort to words (not everyone is excellent at getting their opinion across), it is odd when you see the same users regardless of the topic up/downvoting you. It almost feels as if you're being stalked by these users on a daily basis... just going to your new posts and just reacting in their usual pattern to everything in a thread.

 

I don't pay too much mind to it, but it's really weird behavior that has changed the way I feel about posting on this forum. Whether or not it prevents or results in more crap being slung around remains to be seen. Those being vocal about things typically don't stop at downvotes unless they feel they have nothing to truly add to a conversation anymore.

I share that sentiment, it a little too lenient here now and trolls are running free.

Ok, to some I am a troll, hell I've admitted it freely in the past, but I try to keep it within certain threads where it's not hurting anyone. It bugs me a little that some trolls do get away with no repercussions to content that would have gotten me warning points in the past, and as such, I feel less enthused to visit.

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Andrew    2,731
21 hours ago, Circaflex said:

I mentioned this before, but most web forums that have a rep system are also setup so that you can only +rep someone so many times before you are told to "spread additional reputation around before adding rep to this user again" and similarly to -rep.

We had a 100 like restriction previously, which was changed to unlimited likes in January. Maybe it should revert?

8 hours ago, LimeMaster said:

I really don't know why this was reopened since Neobond himself was not keen on changing the system. And it seems the majority agrees too. The thread no longer serves a valid purpose really. It's highly unlikely that the few who supported the change will bring new stuff to bring new stuff to the table.

Steve is open to feedback and asked us behind the scenes for info on how much work it has caused since it was introduced. Closing the topic off prevented members from sharing the issues they've seen and went unreported. Since it was closed we've had quite a few reports, mostly generated by the Playboy news this week. The feature might not disappear and could be tweaked. I think it's good to have transparency with the members to help direct the development of the site, which is why I re-opened the topic.

 

I'm not very concerned about how much work it causes for us, that's why we have mods to begin with. It's not just a badge without responsibilities. My worry about it being implemented originally was it would kill off discussion and give people less reason to reply at all. Instead it has turned into a tool for trolling, seemingly. So I would still like for those who have experienced issues to let us know, either in this topic or privately if they wish, and for suggestions or tweaks to be made.

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+LimeMaster    14,897
32 minutes ago, Andrew said:

We had a 100 like restriction previously, which was changed to unlimited likes in January. Maybe it should revert?

Steve is open to feedback and asked us behind the scenes for info on how much work it has caused since it was introduced. Closing the topic off prevented members from sharing the issues they've seen and went unreported. Since it was closed we've had quite a few reports, mostly generated by the Playboy news this week. The feature might not disappear and could be tweaked. I think it's good to have transparency with the members to help direct the development of the site, which is why I re-opened the topic.

 

I'm not very concerned about how much work it causes for us, that's why we have mods to begin with. It's not just a badge without responsibilities. My worry about it being implemented originally was it would kill off discussion and give people less reason to reply at all. Instead it has turned into a tool for trolling, seemingly. So I would still like for those who have experienced issues to let us know, either in this topic or privately if they wish, and for suggestions or tweaks to be made.

Alright, fair enough. I do apologise for sort-of being part of that. My wrongfulness clearly has been @Circaflex's mind for months now, even though I was using it to test how the feature worked. I mostly just picked random reactions, however he seems rather upset when the disagree one was used. His repeated mentioning of it and the Playboy thread are the primary reasons I originally created this thread.

 

@Brandon H's implementation of the feature thing seems pretty neat. It would certainly make reacting to a post more meaningful, and it would reduce mass dislike abuse since it takes much more effort to explain things. 

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Andrew    2,731
24 minutes ago, LimeMaster said:

Alright, fair enough. I do apologise for sort-of being part of that. My wrongfulness clearly has been @Circaflex's mind for months now, even though I was using it to test how the feature worked. I mostly just picked random reactions, however he seems rather upset when the disagree one was used. His repeated mentioning of it and the Playboy thread are the primary reasons I originally created this thread.

 

@Brandon H's implementation of the feature thing seems pretty neat. It would certainly make reacting to a post more meaningful, and it would reduce mass dislike abuse since it takes much more effort to explain things. 

It's fine, you weren't to know how many reports it generated. My request for feedback attracted 3 or 4 reports almost immediately after I commented, and now we have 3 more member's feedback since we re-opened this topic. Keeping it open might generate more feedback.

 

I think the suggestion of providing reasons for reactions is pretty good but not without faults. We don't expect any justification for any other reaction, so it would be singling out those who use Dislike, and then it may even stop them using it because it involves more "effort". We'd may as well remove the reaction if that happened. Plus, it would be just as worthwhile to add the comment to the discussion, rather than a hover-mouse-over bubble.

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+LimeMaster    14,897
20 minutes ago, Andrew said:

It's fine, you weren't to know how many reports it generated. My request for feedback attracted 3 or 4 reports almost immediately after I commented, and now we have 3 more member's feedback since we re-opened this topic. Keeping it open might generate more feedback.

 

I think the suggestion of providing reasons for reactions is pretty good but not without faults. We don't expect any justification for any other reaction, so it would be singling out those who use Dislike, and then it may even stop them using it because it involves more "effort". We'd may as well remove the reaction if that happened. Plus, it would be just as worthwhile to add the comment to the discussion, rather than a hover-mouse-over bubble.

Well I mean, there's no reason it can't be done with all reactions if you feel singling is bad. It's a simple fix to that concern. As for the comment thing, whilst that's true. The reason for the implementation would purely exist to stop abuse/complaints. If a member was using the system properly, they would have a reason for clicking the reaction. Typing a small sentence shouldn't be a problem if that's how they actually feel.

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+FloatingFatMan    13,401

A suggestion, if I may.  Like and dislike both have connotations that could raise people's ire, especially in emotive threads.  However, changing them to Agree and Disagree do not, at least for me anyway.  Perhaps changing them to that would stop people abusing them?

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TAZMINATOR    12,125

@LimeMaster,

 

Same thing to the rating system on other sites ... which lot of people leave bad ratings or false ratings.  

 

Especially that people go to other websites to leave bad comments or ratings, something like this:

 

Ford fans visits the Chevy website and leave comment like "Chevy sucks!" 

 

That has been going for many years since the rating and comment came out.

 

Nothing you could do about it unless admins decide to remove/disable the features to prevent from abuse and/or ban those abusers.

 

 

The features are used to let you know how visitors feel about said products or person's thoughts..  something like that.

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+LimeMaster    14,897
5 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

A suggestion, if I may.  Like and dislike both have connotations that could raise people's ire, especially in emotive threads.  However, changing them to Agree and Disagree do not, at least for me anyway.  Perhaps changing them to that would stop people abusing them?

I like this idea, It would make a lot more sense too, because Neowin is a tech site.

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shockz    3,041

I'd be great if I could react to news comments as well.

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Steven P.    8,826
7 minutes ago, shockz said:

I'd be great if I could react to news comments as well.

I agree.

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Draconian Guppy    12,649
7 minutes ago, shockz said:

I'd be great if I could react to news comments as well.

x1000 on that!

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Draconian Guppy    12,649
1 minute ago, Steven P. said:

I agree.

:wacko:

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Steven P.    8,826
11 minutes ago, Draconian Guppy said:

:wacko:

:s ?

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+LimeMaster    14,897

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Draconian Guppy    12,649
41 minutes ago, Steven P. said:

I agree.

 

27 minutes ago, Steven P. said:

:s ?

above :p

24 minutes ago, LimeMaster said:

5vbX70R.gif?

h8ter! 

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+LimeMaster    14,897
2 minutes ago, Draconian Guppy said:

h8ter! 

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+warwagon    9,946
59 minutes ago, Steven P. said:

I agree.

I still want to be able to post photos in comments again like we use to be able to do for a short time.  :D

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Draconian Guppy    12,649
4 minutes ago, warwagon said:

I still want to be able to post photos in comments again like we use to be able to do for a short time.  :D

What sorcery is this you speak of? show us!

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+LimeMaster    14,897
6 minutes ago, warwagon said:

I still want to be able to post photos in comments again like we use to be able to do for a short time.  :D

You still can. Use:

<img src="Insert URL here" />

 

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