Stokkolm Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Is there any version that you have found that doesn't freeze during Gameplay or when the computer comes back from Standby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteraven_Ex Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 ;) bad luck dude, all these issues with ati juz make ati cards sound very lame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Frett Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 You must have some other issue man. I Havn't had a problem myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machima Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 3.6 or 3.7's are supposed to be on a sort of sweet spot. I for one use the 4.1's on my 9600XT and there has been no problems except for CoD locking up once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 ...struggling....to contain....anti ATI sentiments.......... HA HA! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 (edited) snipped Well, I have an NVIDIA...but it's time to be impartial.... ATI does have some modern day driver issues, so does NVIDIA. I remember having a bad situation where my frame rates were reporting into the millions yet the true performance was less than one frame per second. Drivers=software=high chance of bugs, no matter what card you own. Edited January 27, 2004 by silly_walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazgul Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Is there any version that you have found that doesn't freeze during Gameplay or when the computer comes back from Standby? Ummm... sure it's the drivers? If it's -EVERY- version you've tried, I'd highly suspect its something OTHER than the drivers. ATI's drivers are good quality, have been for a while now... I have nothing against Nvidia, I happen to like some of their stuff, but all these nVidia fanboys are really starting to get on my nerves. ATI has better quality hardware AND software at the moment. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Is there any version that you have found that doesn't freeze during Gameplay or when the computer comes back from Standby? In the spirit of impartialness, I shall attempt to help. Are you sure it's the graphics card causing the lockups? I used to have serious issues where after about 5 minutes of playing any 3D game my system would lock. I tried countless versions of the drivers (the card was an NVIDIA, and I've had 3 of them that did it...my GeForce 2, my Geforce 4MX and my GeForce 4 Ti 4800). I found the problem to be much worse during the warm months of summer. So I downloaded Motherboard Monitor, and kept a close eye on my cpu temps. Turned out that the second my CPU hit 60 degrees, my motherboard would lockup (ECS K7S5A, for the curious) So I've purchased myself a Thermaltake Volcano 9, and the only lockup I've seen recently was when my power supply blew up in my face (no joke...that spark had my name on it :blink: ) Hope this helps somewhat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanman Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 LOL, ripgut, if you know how to maintain things and how things work, then I'm sure you'll have less to no problems with either of the 2 manufacturers. There will always be pros and cons about every single product on the face of this planet. Nothing is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioscheine Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 My only problem is with the new 4.1 Drivers. When i go to play NFSU the screen goes white. But then again i had the same problem with my former GeForce4 440MX when playing GTAIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted January 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 24, 2004 You may wan tto read up about any possible incompatibilities with your mobo and the video card. I know alot of ATI card problems wind up being a problem with the mobo and the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Lots of people own ATi, and only a few got nVidia. You are of course extremely wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=SD=- Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Well I have yet to have any ATI or Omega drivers freeze my pc (either this one, my brothers or my old one), all have ATI cards in them. I would believe as others have mentioned as far as overheating, maybe youre overclocking the cpu/memory/ati card too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbob Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 That's just your opinion... I mean, at LEAST ATi doesn't have to make their drivers recompile DX9 code so that it runs decently on their cards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 (edited) That's just your opinion...I mean, at LEAST ATi doesn't have to make their drivers recompile DX9 code so that it runs decently on their cards... If you're going to have an ATI Vs NVIDIA discussion, do some research first. Special codepaths are implemented because of extremely different architecture between the NVIDIA and ATI cards. This is a situation which shall be rectified in the next DirectX release. It does not help that the DirectX9 standard layed down by microsoft was not followed by either ATI or NVIDIA, instead each company worked off their own standard. ATI beat NVIDIA to the market, hence the last DirectX release (9.0b) supports the ATI architecture greater than NVIDIA. If you don't believe me, try to remember the performance of the earlier release DirectX 9 in DX9 games. Or better still restore your system back to the first DirectX 9 version. I too support NVIDIA, but for now ATI has the lead in performance. The balance of power will again be shaken back up when Microsoft release the next version of DirectX (they say version 10 will come out aroung the same time as longhorn, so I'm hoping they release a revision of version 9 first). And don't you dare mention the rumours that "Team DirectX has dropped NVIDIA from it's next release", it is just a bad rumour that started on Gearbox Software's forums. Edited January 25, 2004 by Chode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kioria Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 "when the computer comes back from Standby?" Try finding a solution on Microsoft.com, I remember I downloaded and installed some patch that fixes this problem. Maybe this could solve a part of your problem. And as for ATI, I have no problem at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I think it's more likely a moboard thing still....mine won't come back from Standby, ever. Never has, never will (the board is an ECS K7S5A) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamp2p Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 You are of course extremely wrong Well Mr. Chode, we meet yet again. I noticed that you made a rather foolish assumption: you cited a X-bitlabs.com article which summarizes market share of graphics/integrated graphics comanies (and their relative change in the latter) and drew a comparison to Neowinians. Do you really believe what you said? I think that you underestimate the average Neowinian. I think that most of us do not have integrated graphics. As a matter of fact, I am sure that most of us are part-time (at least) gamers. I cited a Neowin poll because I think that we are a rather well educated group when it comes to computers and associated hardware. I mean, for one thing, the latest hardware news is posted on Neowin.net daily, so I would not go around thinking that most of us have integrated graphics; I personally know that the only Neowinians who use integrated graphics are those who are forced to (usually a laptop for school). I have a piece of advice for you. Why don't you go around reading signatures and you will find that about seven out of ten Neowinans have ATi cards. I am by no means pledging allegiance to ATi forever. However, I do plegde allegience to remaining objective: I will only make a judgement after reviewing the evidence. And the evidence is, chode, ATi is the current leader in the graphics card hardware and software world by a mile. I will quote Anandtech again for you just in case you forgot the horrible conundrum nVidia are in for now: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1890 You?ve been living too perfect of a life if you?ve never used the phrase ?it?s been a long day,? and for NVIDIA it has most definitely been a very long day. Just over two weeks ago the graphics industry was shook by some very hard hitting comments from Gabe Newell of Valve, primarily relating to the poor performance of NVIDIA cards under Half Life 2. All of the sudden ATI had finally done what they had worked feverishly for years to do, they were finally, seemingly overnight, crowned the king of graphics and more importantly ? drivers. There were no comments on Half Life 2 day about ATI having poor drivers, compatibility problems or anything even remotely resembling discussions about ATI from the Radeon 8500 days.Half Life 2 day was quickly followed up with all sorts of accusations against NVIDIA and their driver team; more and more articles were published with new discoveries, shedding light on other areas where ATI trounced NVIDIA. Everything seemed to all make sense now; even 3DMark was given the credibility of being the ?I told you so? benchmark that predicted Half Life 2 performance several months in advance of September 12, 2003. At the end of the day and by the end of the week, NVIDIA had experienced the longest day they?ve had in recent history. Some of the more powerful accusations went far beyond NVIDIA skimping on image quality to improve performance; these accusations included things like NVIDIA not really being capable of running DirectX 9 titles at their full potential, and one of the more interesting ones ? that NVIDIA only optimizes for benchmarks that sites like AnandTech uses. Part of the explanation behind the Half Life 2 fiasco was that even if NVIDIA improves performance through later driver revisions, the performance improvements are only there because the game is used as a benchmark ? and not as an attempt to improve the overall quality of their customers? gaming experience. If that were true, then NVIDIA?s ?the way it?s meant to be played? slogan would have to go under some serious rethinking; the way it?s meant to be benchmarked comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Eighty Eighth Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 your comment isn't a fair one it may be biased, but it's true. i haven't heard of one problem with nVidias, despite their performance being a little under ATis. VaL - i hope you like reading. becuase this post has 1261 replies all concerning the 9600 freezing. http://hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/8596/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eXclusive Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Well, then its ****ing settled. Some like nVidia, some like ATi ATi is fast and got some "minor" flaws And nVidia is perfect ( Ya right :rolleyes: ) Lets just end it here, and if you actually wanna discuss this **** any further you just plain suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Eighty Eighth Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Well, then its ****ing settled.Some like nVidia, some like ATi ATi is fast and got some "minor" flaws And nVidia is perfect ( Ya right :rolleyes: ) Lets just end it here, and if you actually wanna discuss this **** any further you just plain suck. no, i doubt there are so many ATi cards that are just plain duds. it's either a drivers issue, or ATi cards are extremely picky on what devices it is incompatible with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteraven_Ex Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Well, then its ****ing settled.Some like nVidia, some like ATi ATi is fast and got some "minor" flaws And nVidia is perfect ( Ya right :rolleyes: ) Lets just end it here, and if you actually wanna discuss this **** any further you just plain suck. nivida may not be perfect but atleast they dont have as much issues as ati, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=SD=- Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 nivida may not be perfect but atleast they dont have as much issues as ati, I really don't want to get in on this fanboy action but that claim is false/unjustified. There is no way you can back that claim, youre just stating your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Eighty Eighth Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 hey VaL, i read that 2 people got their cards working by uninstalling the control panel, and only using the driver. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteraven_Ex Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 (edited) I really don't want to get in on this fanboy action but that claim is false/unjustified. There is no way you can back that claim, youre just stating your opinion. :crazy: well it seems every one been posting there opinions here, why should i not do the same, most of this board is opinions, that is your opinion to my opinion, but with that being said why is it then that there are always issues with ATI cards that need help and no nvidia? Edited January 27, 2004 by silly_walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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