what do you think a goth is?


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My definition of a goth would be a little antisocial, with some pretty interesting ideas on lifestyle, fashion, etc. They're quiet, keep to themselves, I guess what fuels this is their hatred to the world, which would explain their depressive behaviour. I don't know exactly, I basically explained myself from high school (I was considered a goth then, nobody told me but one person asked me about it once) so no flaming here. I just call them the way I see em. It's intreguing the way goths present themselves to the world, as most people see them in dark or darker clothing and makeup and/or tattoos (I have a tattoo btw) Heh, guess I'm still kind of a goth (not really, as I wear more skater or preppy clothing now, and have geeky chic glasses) Yep, guess that's all for me.

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I think south park series 7 episode 14 "Raisins" has a pretty good handle on goths.

hah yeah, that was a good episode

but yeah, i dunno what the deal with goths is. i think its weird as hell, but they keep to themselves. they dont go around killing people and arent really a disruption to society. i'd much rather have a group of goths around than a group of thugs

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okay so now we're all talking in circles. goths are not unique, they are not individuals, they sure are different but not in the way they all say they are. They usually have poor self esteem and surround themselves with others that share the same attributes.

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okay so now we're all talking in circles. goths are not unique, they are not individuals, they sure are different but not in the way they all say they are. They usually have poor self esteem and surround themselves with others that share the same attributes.

so we have low self esteem? please do elaborate.

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what do i think a goth is?

1) somebody with a stupid name like angel with the scabbed wings. or anybody with a name including a heaven and hell oxymoron, like saint dark.

2) anybody who questions the whole black cape and makeup stereotype, these people are usually about 5 times worse than the stereotype but refuse to be labelled goths

then pray tell me elliot wot is a better name? and is yours an homage 2 E.T.?

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i tend to have a fair amount of respect for "goths" as they tend to keep themselves to themselves and are not agressive to others in the normal course of life... they are far less disruptive to society than the groups of "townies" that mug people and, to use a cliche, "loiter with intent". i find that goths are generally very friendly people and although i don't see where they're coming from in any way, and i'm intrigued as to their motivations, they're just another weird branch of society as far as i'm concerned...  :)

your hot.......... :shifty:

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someone who is anti-social, looks at the least positive outcome, dresses mainly in black and listens to rock music w/ many sad/depressive meanings :ninja:

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Goths have a deeper sense of being, of feeling, of love and heartache. Goths read books! Goths listen to not just "gothic" music, but spiritual music, like classical - Beethoven, Bach, Brams, Tzchaikovsky, etc.
OMG! I read books and like classical music! I'm like, so goth!
Why the white makeup, red lipstick, black clothing? To make a statement about being taken as an individual.

Not too original when you all do it, huh?

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Not too original when you all do it, huh?

who sed we all do? we do as we choose, and we choose wot we feel comfortable with.

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who sed we all do? we do as we choose, and we choose wot we feel comfortable with.

The point isn't about the makeup. It is about the notion that th goth culture is so original, yet it is a carry over from the 80's Cure scene. It is no more original than any other culture or subculture.

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"Ignoring historical references to European barbarian tribes and, architectural, literal and art styles, Goth is a subculture."

Wether you like or not "your" subculture has it's origins in those historical references wich cannot be ignored....... and they didn't knew back then that they were Goths.... :)

to me a Goth has more to do with how you feel the world that surrounds you than showing to others how you feel about it..... and when you do feel the need to express yourself in some form of creative art (paintings, writings ...etc) the result, when "analysed" (interpreted sounds better)by someone, causes reactions that are associated with the Gothic Period.

So basically , to me, Goth is more a state of mind, rather than a urban subculture.

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okay angel rainbow wings or whatever you are..

why would you make a thread with this topic and then get all defensive? you asked for it.

We all percieve you as subnormal beings hiding behind a (thick) makeup shell. Yes, you have low self esteem. People who act like you are diagnosed with depression and put on meds. You are not original NOR are you individuals. you are a huge mass of posers that think you look cooler with all your baggy black clothes than you would with something normal and colorful on... and by colorful i mean a nice button down check or striped shirt with a fitting pair of jeans and something besides either those hideous hoochy boots or your dumb combat boots.

you walk around talking about how depressing life is or how empty you feel... or how everybody elses perception of reality is faded or misconcieved, yet if you ask me i think YALL are the ones with the problems.

And if you don't start presenting yourselves differently (attitude and appearance) you're doomed to a dead end job at burger king or with a trashy construction company because the world doesn't care about your issues nor your inability to wear colors other than white, black, and red. All they care about is how you represent their company, and you don't represent anything, including yourselves, in a professional or posative manner.

so if you don't like what anybody's said here, then don't provoke people to state their opinions. You're wrong, the masses are right. get over it, and post again - but with something that won't end up offending you.

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Goth is an aesthetic that involves every kind of art movement, from the influence in literature and other kind of arts of the gothic, romantic, barroque (sorry, dont know how to swrite it in english) era to the punk influence in the late 70's musically speaking that took a base in post-punk.

No telling that, goth were not supposed to be a bunch of winny vampires, depressed all the time, Tilo wolff imitators, that gives a bad name to the aesthetic.

What goth, as a recent part of our world wide culture, really is: phylosophy, romanticism, a form of expression, a reason to shout that there is no normality, there is no normal people nor freaks, just different, we all are different, even those who feel similar to each other in certain group, why the use of a label? because the same reason why some call themselves rappers, punks, etc. because, according to the human nature, sometimes they need to belong to certain group, of course, gothic inspired people choose to be very representative of that (makeup, velvet clothes, etc.) but how is this different to, for example, the excessive bling bling in rappers, the eternal fashion club in poppers, the anarchism and careless way in punks, etc... gohic is the facculty to see beautiness even in the most bizarre things, to find the bright side even on the darkness, if you ask me, thats priceless, a goth, a propper one, can be more optimistic than anyone.

Saying that, I dont consider myself a goth anymore, I felt not comfortable with the label, I belong to myself, not to a movement, but a lot of of my friends can be called "goths" and I admire that aesthetic, hey, at least they are more open to literature, to art, to phylosophy, to ask those essential question in life, ok, some of them choose just to read Lovecraft and Rice and then they think that they are cultured people, well, those are the ones who gives a bad name to the rest of them, but there are black sheeps in every popular and cultural movement, right?

just my 2 cents, invest them :)

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[saint Dark] - i admire your attitude, your comments, and your thoughts.

Goth (what it's supposed to be) is lost. it's now owned by these hords of adolescent lost souls who are looking for an excuse to be what i like to call losers. Low self esteem whiney scared lonely losers. if so many of you weren't trying to be such attention ######, i probably wouldn't view Goth (in general) this way.

I love classical music, i read all the time. I love and partake in art, literary works, and am well versed in philosophy and philosophical subjects. I however, am not a Goth. And niether are 99% of the people who say they are. Just because you try (poorly) to look like one doesn't make you one. If i stand in a garage it does not make me a car.

Angel, your attitude seems to be different and i think it's highly possible that you could very well be a true Goth. But stop sticking up for these losers that are making your name something other than respectable.

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Omg everyones flaming angel for admitting he's a goth, I listen to heavy and death metal, I read, I am creative but guess what? I don't wear black, what does that make me?

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I personally see goth as a way of thinking more than anything. I don't think someone has to dress in black, hate the world, and listen to metal music to be goth. I've been called goth myself, as I wear a black leather trenchcoat and am a long haired freak, although I don't see myself as goth. I do share some of the same ideals as many goths. I'd rather be different than be like everyone else.

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best of d best, I thankyou for your acknoledgement, and retract the opionions I was forming of you, which thankfully I did not post, and I acknoledge u r correct, in this much, only a small percentage of people who claim 2 be goth actually r, and I now c how ur definition is justified wen based on them, I however wld like 2 thnk I ahere more closely to the original essence of the gothic subculture, as it was.

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Omg everyones flaming angel for admitting he's a goth, I listen to heavy and death metal, I read, I am creative but guess what? I don't wear black, what does that make me?

a human?

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[saint Dark] - i admire your attitude, your comments, and your thoughts.

Goth (what it's supposed to be) is lost. it's now owned by these hords of adolescent lost souls who are looking for an excuse to be what i like to call losers. Low self esteem whiney scared lonely losers. if so many of you weren't trying to be such attention ######, i probably wouldn't view Goth (in general) this way.

I love classical music, i read all the time. I love and partake in art, literary works, and am well versed in philosophy and philosophical subjects. I however, am not a Goth. And niether are 99% of the people who say they are. Just because you try (poorly) to look like one doesn't make you one. If i stand in a garage it does not make me a car.

Angel, your attitude seems to be different and i think it's highly possible that you could very well be a true Goth. But stop sticking up for these losers that are making your name something other than respectable.

thanks for your words :happy:

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You're Welcome (Y)

i would like to believe that im not an overly critical or judgemental person. but so many people claim to be something they're not and end up unintentionally killing something due to poor judgement and actions. Understand that i was not judging you as an individual nor was i bashing Goth (for what it's supposed to be), but rather the millions of people aimlessly dressing up like a cross between dead bodies and military personnel whom act depressing and hateful in order to recieve attention that i assume they lacked as small children.

Do not wander the world attempting to represent something you are not, but rather just be yourself and be happy, and applaud yourself if you get the classification that i can say you deserve. Goth was as much an era (a time) as it was all these other things. Because one part of the whole has passed nobody can ever truly be Gothic again, but can uphold the beliefs and traits of that era and remind us all of that time.

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man... i was sounding halfway intelligent... time to watch some TV ;) and rot some of that thing call a BrAiN

and if i were you Angel i'd just drop this thread from here on out. Watch it if you must, but don't justify anything to anybody as you need not defend yourself to anybody if you are truly being YOU. And for God's sake don't fight the lost cause for all these other misguided people who will always want to be but never be able to be Gothic.

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