Sleeper Veteran Posted January 26, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 26, 2004 I've just getting Deus Ex 2 and it seems to run really slow on my pc and Im puzzled..... I have a AMD 2500 Barton 2 x 256DDR400 in Dual Channel Saphire Radion 9600XT Fireblade I have tried it in every different resolution and different multi sampling but its just dead jerky. Anyone else had these problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidic-e- Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I think just about everyone has had that problem. A friend of mine even tried the xbox version and said it was pure crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 There's a great thread with some tips that worked for me (well, that was on the demo) try here (from the ION STORM forums) Well, I've played the demo and my frame rates haven't been exciteable (around 20-30fps at 640x480 with details at medium) but it was still very fun and very playable. I think the reason for widespread poor performance may be that Ion Storm didn't want to dissapoint their fans the way that VALVE did when they delayed Half Life 2. Perhaps Warren Spector sold his soul, I dunno, but my point is that they got it out on it's due date. At least for Australia/UK they are going overtime with bug fixes, and when it is released here it will have had about 2/3 months more work than the US copy (the fixes been available widely in the upcoming 1.2 patch). It's good that Ion Storm didn't do a Gearbox Software, that is release their product (Halo), only fix a couple of critical bugs with some patches, and do nothing for performance issues (a Microsoft performance FAQ is about as good as you'll get out of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I think just about everyone has had that problem. A friend of mine even tried the xbox version and said it was pure crap. thats a very ignorant friend you got there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterClark Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 runs perfectly on my PC, 1024 res. Btw, what is 'bloom'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 makes things a bit brither thats what i noticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 what is 'bloom'? As far as I can see, it's a type of lighting glare that makes the lights go hazy. If you think the game does not appear sharp/crisp enough, turn it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligen Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 I tried it when it was released and i hated it, but after the new patch they released, they took out that "laggyness" in the movement and i actually liked it. I didn't really follow the story though. I went with the ending where you biomod all humans........ while the other you could destory both groups and go that way without anyone ruling... plus there is another i think, so like 3 endings you can get. But the game got damn hard at the end, plus their are no cheats so i modified my default.ini to help me win... like lots of ammo, less damage when someone shoots me, and more damage when i shoot someone else so it takes less shots. I have no idea how i would had passed it without these cheats.... but hey i just play them for the endings, not to reload my savegame all the time, which takes awhile soemtimes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Geezus, take that spoiler out of there, it don't belong there!!! I haven't played the full thing yet, and I skimmed your post and accidently started reading that spoiler. The fact that it is there means that I am pretty much restricted from this thread for fear of accidently reading the SPOILER! Same with others not wanting to have the game spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligen Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Ok i'd do it but for some odd reason my edit button ain't showing up.. sorry about that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defiantly Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Well, you're first issue is that this game is made in France. Dump it and go buy a game made in a relevant nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted January 30, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 30, 2004 your not the only one that has had problems with the game... i actually gave up trying to play it even after the patch, even at 1024 * 768 it was super laggy, not enjoyable one bit. then to top it off i was getting graphical corruption everywhere after awhile (floor textures swapped with head textures and vice versa, really actually funny to look at). my comp is more thn adeqaute as well so i know its not that (i get a 3d mark 03 score of 5880 and i can run most games at 1600 * 1200 no problems at all. so basically deus x 2 = a piece of **** sorry excuse for a game. plain and simple. ill wait for about 3 more patches before i attempt to play it again. by that time i am sure it will be long forgotten in my head. and i wanted to play this game. i heard so much about the 1st one and never got to play it. oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 your not the only one that has had problems with the game... i actually gave up trying to play it even after the patch, even at 1024 * 768 it was super laggy, not enjoyable one bit. then to top it off i was getting graphical corruption everywhere after awhile (floor textures swapped with head textures and vice versa, really actually funny to look at). my comp is more thn adeqaute as well so i know its not that (i get a 3d mark 03 score of 5880 and i can run most games at 1600 * 1200 no problems at all. so basically deus x 2 = a piece of **** sorry excuse for a game. plain and simple. ill wait for about 3 more patches before i attempt to play it again. by that time i am sure it will be long forgotten in my head. and i wanted to play this game. i heard so much about the 1st one and never got to play it. oh well... 1) Bet you overclocked your computer. If so, then quit whinging about graphics corruption. 2) A 3D mark is a way of ranking computers against one another, not of determining how a game will run. Up your hardware then try again. You did not mention what hardware you had, so try again. 3) Wait for the next patch, massive fixes in it. 4) It's something rare in the last while, a game that came out on it's release date without been delayed. 5) If you never played the first one, then of course you don't understand the second one :rolleyes: There was a large group of people who hated the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miran Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Well, you're first issue is that this game is made in France. Dump it and go buy a game made in a relevant nation. Great comment.... Really adds something to the topic.. Now, in terms of the game, I find it hellishly slow on my computer (which isn't that good but come on, we haven't seen resolutions of 640x480 required for a long time).. I can play games such as Unreal 2 no problems so I wonder whether making the release date is really that great of an accomplishment when you consider the results. I'm not bashing the game, and I'm sure it will get better in later patches, but still - sucks for those of us who bought it thinking it might actually give half-decent FPS.. Oh well, let's hope they don't do the same with Thief III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeper Veteran Posted January 30, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted January 30, 2004 Im going to say i have to agree with peoples comments about whats the point in hitting the deadline of releasing the game if the majority of people can't play it, and the fact that in the demo pixel shaders where not required but in the release you had to have a 100% fully compliant DX9 videocard. Surely the whole point of the demo is for people to see what the game is like and whether it runs on there pc's before they go and purchase it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) Im going to say i have to agree with peoples comments about whats the point in hitting the deadline of releasing the game if the majority of people can't play it, and the fact that in the demo pixel shaders where not required but in the release you had to have a 100% fully compliant DX9 videocard. Surely the whole point of the demo is for people to see what the game is like and whether it runs on there pc's before they go and purchase it. Well, I dunno what demo you're talking about.... But my old GeForce 4 MX would not run the demo because it does not have....Pixel Shaders :D The lowest I will go with any game is at least 25 fps at 640x480. I manage 30fps in the unoptimised/unpatched demo using only an Athlon XP 1700+, 512MB RAM, and a GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (which is only DirectX 8.1 shaders). I remember when Quake III came out and I was lucky to pull off 20 frames per second on my old computer. Or how well Doom I would pull off maybe 15 frames per second, giving a lot of people motion sickness. High frame rates are necessary when there is a lot of action happening at once (aka, 200 bad guys running at you whilst you are mowing them down with an UZI). Deus Ex can be played as an action game, but the player is always pushed towards a stealthy covert approach, which lower frame rates are okay for. I played the demo, I liked the demo (though it was very short) and when it's out here in Australia I'm buying the game based off what I saw in the demo. Well, I'll be honest. When I played the demo for Deus Ex 1, I didn't like it. In fact, I hated it, what with it running in software mode and causing the sound to be horrible in order to keep frame rates playable. I didn't like how I was thrown in the deep end, with about 40 bad guys patrolling the map and all I had was 1 or 2 guns in order to try take them all on with. For months PC Powerplay kept raving about how great this game was, and I was bored and noticed some magazine cover CD had a patch for the demo to add the second level as well. I had recently gotten my new TNT2 (:D ) and decided to give the game another chance. I spent about a week of my life playing that 2 level demo, and went out and got me the full thing. The truth is when I first fired up the Deus Ex 2 demo my first thought was "Oh my god, what the heck have they done to this? This is horrible!!!!", and I uninstalled it. Then I noticed the demo was on my new PC Powerplay (love that magazine) and decided to try it again....after reading through Ion Storm's forums a bit and tweaking the demo as much as was humanly tweakable, it grew on me. Now I love it :) Give it a chance, tweak it a little, settle on lower graphic options....you may yet like it. Edited January 30, 2004 by Chode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeper Veteran Posted January 30, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted January 30, 2004 Well, I dunno what demo you're talking about....But my old GeForce 4 MX would not run the demo because it does not have....Pixel Shaders :D The lowest I will go with any game is at least 25 fps at 640x480. I manage 30fps in the unoptimised/unpatched demo using only an Athlon XP 1700+, 512MB RAM, and a GeForce 4 Ti 4800 (which is only DirectX 8.1 shaders). I remember when Quake III came out and I was lucky to pull off 20 frames per second on my old computer. Or how well Doom I would pull off maybe 15 frames per second, giving a lot of people motion sickness. High frame rates are necessary when there is a lot of action happening at once (aka, 200 bad guys running at you whilst you are mowing them down with an UZI). Deus Ex can be played as an action game, but the player is always pushed towards a stealthy covert approach, which lower frame rates are okay for. There is about 5 lads I work with who have slightly old video card who managed to play the demo fine, but when they tried to install the release of it they got the error about pixel shaders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 What were the cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted January 30, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 30, 2004 1) Bet you overclocked your computer. If so, then quit whinging about graphics corruption.2) A 3D mark is a way of ranking computers against one another, not of determining how a game will run. Up your hardware then try again. You did not mention what hardware you had, so try again. 3) Wait for the next patch, massive fixes in it. 4) It's something rare in the last while, a game that came out on it's release date without been delayed. 5) If you never played the first one, then of course you don't understand the second one :rolleyes: There was a large group of people who hated the first one. i would first like to say politely did you really read anything i said???? you really have all of the answers but you couldnt be further off. 1) NO OVERCLOCK. yes i now Overclock. however trying this game was before my overclock (which is very modest at that). besides, give me some credit and realize i would never run an overclock if i saw even the smallest hint of graphic corruption or lack of stability anywhere. i am smart enough to run my overclock to where my machine is stable. very stable. never had any graphical corruption ever. besides like i said it is a moot point. i was not overclocking anything at all when i tried this game. 2) yes 3Dmark03 is a way of ranking your computer against others, but isnt this also somewhat a way in turn determine how well a game will eventually run on your comp because of your hardware???? can a rational human being sit back and say because they have a higher score in a benchmarking application geared towards 3d graphics, that in turn they expect game to run well a a result?? is this so far fetched to believe??? (thats a rhetorical question by the way no need to answer) And i did not mention my hardware cause it is in my sig, but you more than likely have sigs off. the basics you need to know are i have an athlon 3000 barton, an asus a7n8x-x, a Asus GeForceFX 5900 Ultra 256, and an Audigy 2. And to anybody out there willing to go there, dont give me any crap that its because I don't have an ATI card. The game has "Nviida, the way its meant to be played" on it. 3) if the next patch fixes it. I will be glad to try the game out, as I was interested in seeing what it was about and I did not uninstall it just in case. however I am not holding my breath. 4) Your not serious are you? This is THE PERFECT example of a game that should have been delayed. Maybe I am one of the last people left that do not mind a delayed game if it means the company will get it right. I would much rather see a delay. obviously when playing games first impressions mean alot to me. I was not impressed by this game, and everything had to do with the bugs I encountered. 5), I never played the 1st one but read so much positive praise about it thats why i wanted to play the 2nd one. that is all i was saying. i never said "i dont understand anything about the game" not once did i say that anything even remotely along those lines in my post. Sorry to burst your bubble but I am not the type to get confused by playing a video game. so in closing, again, it is in my opinion that Deus X 2 was the main game I saw last year that had the most problems with it. plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 like i said before i'm getting about 30-40fps on medium setting in 1280x1024 and its looks and plays very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 1) NO OVERCLOCK. yes i now Overclock. however trying this game was before my overclock (which is very modest at that). besides, give me some credit and realize i would never run an overclock if i saw even the smallest hint of graphic corruption or lack of stability anywhere. i am smart enough to run my overclock to where my machine is stable. very stable. never had any graphical corruption ever. besides like i said it is a moot point. i was not overclocking anything at all when i tried this game.2) yes 3Dmark03 is a way of ranking your computer against others, but isnt this also somewhat a way in turn determine how well a game will eventually run on your comp because of your hardware???? can a rational human being sit back and say because they have a higher score in a benchmarking application geared towards 3d graphics, that in turn they expect game to run well a a result?? is this so far fetched to believe??? (thats a rhetorical question by the way no need to answer) And i did not mention my hardware cause it is in my sig, but you more than likely have sigs off. the basics you need to know are i have an athlon 3000 barton, an asus a7n8x-x, a Asus GeForceFX 5900 Ultra 256, and an Audigy 2. And to anybody out there willing to go there, dont give me any crap that its because I don't have an ATI card. The game has "Nviida, the way its meant to be played" on it. 3) if the next patch fixes it. I will be glad to try the game out, as I was interested in seeing what it was about and I did not uninstall it just in case. however I am not holding my breath. 4) Your not serious are you? This is THE PERFECT example of a game that should have been delayed. Maybe I am one of the last people left that do not mind a delayed game if it means the company will get it right. I would much rather see a delay. obviously when playing games first impressions mean alot to me. I was not impressed by this game, and everything had to do with the bugs I encountered. 5), I never played the 1st one but read so much positive praise about it thats why i wanted to play the 2nd one. that is all i was saying. i never said "i dont understand anything about the game" not once did i say that anything even remotely along those lines in my post. Sorry to burst your bubble but I am not the type to get confused by playing a video game. so in closing, again, it is in my opinion that Deus X 2 was the main game I saw last year that had the most problems with it. plain and simple. 1) Ok, sorry. Just sounded like an overclocking problem to me...geez, graphical corruption...never even heard of it in this engine :blink: 2) Unfortunately, 3Dmark03 is an abstract benchmark. It gives a good ranking of a card's power, but it is still an abstract value that may not truly reflect a card's handling of a game. It's like when they test cars during the development, no matter what they throw at it, it would be impossible to test every situation the car may come across. My point is, that there are more factors than how a single benchmark shows the speed of your hardware. It's a good indication but not gospel truth. I mean, the requirements for a game don't normally list a 3Dmark score. Go the NVIDIA, check my Avatar. I'm the proud owner of a GeForce 4 Ti 4800, and I love it. 3) Hope for the high, aim for the low. Good tactic :) 4) Honestly, I feel that if this game was delayed then it would come out 6 months later with even higher requirements meaning it would run even slower on the average person's computer. I don't feel the problem with this game is buggy code, I think it's just a resource hog. :( 5) If you can tolerate the original Unreal engine for more than 5 minutes without breaking down in tears (at the dated graphics, in other words), then I highly recommend playing Deus Ex 1. It did introduce it's own style of gameplay, and does give an excellent background for Deus Ex 2's gameplay style. Whatever blows your hair back, hey? Everyone has their own opinions in game. Some people tell you the first one sucked, some tell you Half Life 1 sucked, some tell you Daikatana was an excellent game ( :shifty: )....and my brother absolutely despises System Shock 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted January 31, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 31, 2004 1) Ok, sorry. Just sounded like an overclocking problem to me...geez, graphical corruption...never even heard of it in this engine :blink: 2) Unfortunately, 3Dmark03 is an abstract benchmark. It gives a good ranking of a card's power, but it is still an abstract value that may not truly reflect a card's handling of a game. It's like when they test cars during the development, no matter what they throw at it, it would be impossible to test every situation the car may come across. My point is, that there are more factors than how a single benchmark shows the speed of your hardware. It's a good indication but not gospel truth. I mean, the requirements for a game don't normally list a 3Dmark score. Go the NVIDIA, check my Avatar. I'm the proud owner of a GeForce 4 Ti 4800, and I love it. 3) Hope for the high, aim for the low. Good tactic :) 4) Honestly, I feel that if this game was delayed then it would come out 6 months later with even higher requirements meaning it would run even slower on the average person's computer. I don't feel the problem with this game is buggy code, I think it's just a resource hog. :( 5) If you can tolerate the original Unreal engine for more than 5 minutes without breaking down in tears (at the dated graphics, in other words), then I highly recommend playing Deus Ex 1. It did introduce it's own style of gameplay, and does give an excellent background for Deus Ex 2's gameplay style. Whatever blows your hair back, hey? Everyone has their own opinions in game. Some people tell you the first one sucked, some tell you Half Life 1 sucked, some tell you Daikatana was an excellent game ( :shifty: )....and my brother absolutely despises System Shock 2. cool fair enough on all points made (Y) every point made is valid and completely makes sense. i would definitely love to give the original deus x a try. and i have been trying to locate a copy for awhile now and i have not been able to find it anywhere. see i am definitely more concerned about gameplay then the graphics when playing a game, although i will also admit i do like good graphics but who doesn't right?. i think thats what frustrated me the most about deus x 2. i was gladly willing to part with my usual "max settings" on everything, because i heard so much good about the 1st versions gameplay, concept, and style, but i literally could not play it due to poor performance. ill keep my eye out for the patch and hopefully it does come out soon as i do want to give the game a try. and system shock 2? never heard of it is it any good?? i am still virtually a noob (see below) to windows based gaming, hence why i never played deus x 1. i was gaming, just not on a pc... i am 30 year old "old school" console gamer from atari to every console to date. i used / still use a mac for the past 6 years (i do design and its what i learned on) so i never got into computer based gaming that seriously (not to many great games out for apples, but i did play what was there) until i got a windows machine about 2 years ago, and then I really got into pc gaming (have hardly touched my consoles since actually) once i built my first comp thats in my sig this past august. so any other modern day pc classics that were not "blockbusters" or "mainstream" that i might not have gotten to play by all means recommend away (Y) again all valid points and as you said we all have our opinions and thats what makes the world go round and i respect yours for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 and system shock 2? never heard of it is it any good?? In a way, it is a prelude to Deus Ex (well, gameplay wise that is). It is the same sorta role playing combined with choosing your method for completing goals as well as an apparently seamless massive environment... it was made by Looking Glass Studios (may they rest in peace), many employees of whom became proud members of Ion Storm after Looking Glass closed down. (Ion Storm = Deus Ex ;) ) If you feel like an uber-immersive game with a frickin huge environment (in this case, it is the inside of a giant starship....and I mean, GIANT!) then try out System Shock 2....I've never tried System Shock I so can't comment on it.....but you can still join us fans still praying to dark gods for System Shock 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted February 1, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 1, 2004 In a way, it is a prelude to Deus Ex (well, gameplay wise that is). It is the same sorta role playing combined with choosing your method for completing goals as well as an apparently seamless massive environment... it was made by Looking Glass Studios (may they rest in peace), many employees of whom became proud members of Ion Storm after Looking Glass closed down. (Ion Storm = Deus Ex ;) )If you feel like an uber-immersive game with a frickin huge environment (in this case, it is the inside of a giant starship....and I mean, GIANT!) then try out System Shock 2....I've never tried System Shock I so can't comment on it.....but you can still join us fans still praying to dark gods for System Shock 3 im defintely going to try to check this one out. i was trying to see if bgames had it as i got alot of credt there, and i couldnt find it on their site. i have a feeling since it is older i may have some diificulties (i have also been trying to find deus x 1 and also no luck.) any suggestions as to where one could get older games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 im defintely going to try to check this one out. i was trying to see if bgames had it as i got alot of credt there, and i couldnt find it on their site. i have a feeling since it is older i may have some diificulties (i have also been trying to find deus x 1 and also no luck.) any suggestions as to where one could get older games? I have countless suggestion but none are legal :shifty: With Deus Ex there was a special edition of the first one....don't remember what was so special....I have no clue where to find an original copy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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