sebaz Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Check it out guys, these guys here are porting WINE to work with mac. Pretty cool hopefully a better alternative than VirtualPC http://darwine.sourceforge.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett C Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Jesus H. That's nifty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Heard about this but I never saw it. That's great. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted January 28, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 28, 2004 Wow, that's almost as cool as the kOffice ports :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monofonik Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 So you can run Mac, Mac OS Classic, Linux AND Windows software, almost natively now. The compatibility alone makes me want to switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Looking at their sourceforge site makes it look like this is a pretty new project. If they can get this working with about as much support as WINE has now on linux systems then I'd consider buying a boxed copy or a half-dozen t-shirts or something. I don't really care for direct x support (but I wouldn't complain), but being able to run all those dumpy windows-only applications that you encounter would be godsend. Like Tim I'm still more hyped about the kOffice port, but this is a close second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac15 Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 It has along way to go, with the current support they have (3 developers) they'd get some decent results in 2-3 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isus Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 the only problem is, is that it can't run .exe's. they are working on x86 emulation though, which is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMasamune Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Wow, that's cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling3k12 Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Apple should invest into this like they did KHTML... KHTML was quite far into it's development and this isn't, but if they got it to work, it would be awesome. Natively (well, through X11) run those pesky Windows applications that don't have OS X versions yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac15 Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 If they could, Mac OS X would be the most compaitble system there is to date. Windows, linux, unix and everything else under the sun :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted January 28, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 28, 2004 But you know MS would sue them somehow. I bet you they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus- Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 (edited) dont know too much about OS X but since from my understanding couldnt you just run wine since its a linux dealio and OSX runs linux programs or errr is there something more to it that im missing :unsure: Edited January 28, 2004 by divertom15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Divertom15: Wine is a re-implimentation of Windows libraries/functions/etc so that you can run Windows binaries on *NIX systems. If certain libraries haven't been ported then you can actually use files from a windows installation to get that functionality. All that is great except for one thing: you're dealing with binaries -> compiled programs that are designed to run on an x86 processor. All modern macintosh systems use PowerPC processors which are not compatible with the x86 instruction set. What you would need is a way to translate the x86 instructions to (an) equivalent PPC instruction(s) as the program runs or an x86 emulator running below WINE. You could install something like VirtualPC and then run linux, and then run WINE but then you might as well just install Windows on VPC and be done with it. This project is particularly interesting because the programs running in WINE run right along side the other Mac OS X, Classic, and X11 applications: they're not trapped inside an emulation window. Hope that clears things up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted January 28, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 28, 2004 Actually, they are getting some emulation going, only it's more transparent. They're kind of turning it from WINE to WIE. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus- Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 @the evn show : duh! thats what i forgot the dirrence in the cpu architechture. if i woulda remebered that i wouldnt have asked a dumb question like that . Thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Actually, they are getting some emulation going, only it's more transparent. They're kind of turning it from WINE to WIE. :p I kinda figured they were running above an emulator (EDIT: yes, they're using bochs). IMO this could be the next best thing to rootless virtual pc. Now all they need is a recursive acronym: DARWINE: Darwine actually runs windows in nifty emulation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted January 28, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 28, 2004 Damn! Already it's Really Working In Non Emulated mode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsbury Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Bochs and VirtualPC will always be a better solution for running the apps that there's no OSX substitute for... And Bochs is free as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbalsh Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Awesome, this is going to be one great year! with KOffice in the works and now this! makes you kinda proud to be a Macintosh user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle-dude Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Now they just need some mac programmers as contributors to the bochs project to work on G4 and G5 optimizations to the emulator code. Perhaps they could look at some kind of JIT to convert between Intel and PPC machine code. Also, an emulation layer between the gfx card and emulator would be cool too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling3k12 Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 Bochs and VirtualPC will always be a better solution for running the apps that there's no OSX substitute for...And Bochs is free as well... I'm going to guess this will be a lot better than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Dorr Veteran Posted January 28, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 28, 2004 This is going to make use of bochs to run native Windows apps (like Office) directly on OSX. It's required to use emulation, because they can't compile Office from source. They only have those demo applications running becuase the source is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsbury Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 I'm going to guess this will be a lot better than that... Better how? In that it will be just as slow? That it will be less compatible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsbury Posted January 28, 2004 Share Posted January 28, 2004 This is going to make use of bochs to run native Windows apps (like Office) directly on OSX. It's required to use emulation, because they can't compile Office from source. They only have those demo applications running becuase the source is available. Why would you run Microsoft Office for Windows using Wine on a platform that has a native version that costs the same, is going to run better and includes Virtual PC for the same cost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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