Why vote Republican if your not in the 1% or have a big business? (Without being up Democrats)


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StrikedOut
22 hours ago, Paul1979UK said:

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God/religion and politics should never be mixed. They are not compatible.

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Melfster
36 minutes ago, Euphoria said:

Beg to differ.... your awful job includes: Improved Consumer Confidence, Lowest unemployment in decades especially among African Americans, Strong market, Tax cuts and business stimulus, deregulation, renegotiated export/import tariffs to benefit US companies, defeated ISIS, pushed NATO member countries to increase their contribution, moved US embassy to Jerusalem,  brought NK on the negotiation table for possible peace deal with SK and full nuclear demilitarization...etc.etc.etc.

 

Also, I would give him a full term before judging on the deficit ... What Obama did in 8 years cannot be cancelled and undone in only one year...

 

On that note, Trump just made it easier to fire federal workers.

Source: Trump takes aim at federal bureaucracy with new executive orders rolling back civil-service protections

Finally someone did it. By all accounts, considering all the Media warfare against Trump & negative media coverage and sabotage by the liberal left, he is doing an outstanding job.

Your number don't add up. You think trump defeated ISIS LOL.  We are in terrible place Syria. 

People don't realize just how bad its going to get  we are the calm before the storm and the economy is going south fast.

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Dysphoria
15 minutes ago, Melfster said:

Your number don't add up. You think trump defeated ISIS LOL.  We are in terrible place Syria. 

People don't realize just how bad its going to get  we are the calm before the storm and the economy is going south fast.

Well, they sure dont have the same control of the region as they had under Obama... do they?

Sure, economy going south, end of the days... we heard it all after election day from the media and the DNC.... lets keep all of those conspiracy theories in the Trump Bashing Thread

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trag3dy
3 hours ago, Melfster said:

If Trump did his job correctly I wouldn't care but he is doing awful job.  Has anybody looked the US deficit lately the US and the world are in so much trouble. It looks like the democrats are the party of fiscal responsibly now.

Obama is responsible for inflating the deficit that he inherited from Bush, did you really expect it to be undone in 2 years?

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Paul1979UK
On 5/29/2018 at 5:19 PM, Euphoria said:

I can argue that media has nothing to do with it... actually most media is left leaning. Conservative government is for creating a stable business ecosystem from which all people will benefit. This 1% rich are benefiting from it is a total BS fictional story... You know that many liberals/democrats are part of this top 5% wealthiest people pie... the question than would be why are they not sharing/re-distributing their wealth to the poor, but are gladly proposing to do the same but from the pocket of middle class America.

I think the real problem is the tax system, I've noticed that inequality is less in countries that have higher taxes then the ones that have lower taxes and it does make some sense, higher taxes allows goverments to redistrubut more wealth among the people whereas lower taxes ends up meaning wealth ends up in fewer hands, it's likely what explains the diffrences from the EU and US on that one, in any case, there is more to it then just that, what is clear is that people are not happy across all the west with how things are going and things really need to change, sadly, the changese we are seeing are the wrong kind of changese and are likely to make things worse not better.

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On 5/29/2018 at 5:45 PM, Zag L. said:

Paul, outside of the US, this is likely more accurate. In the US, both sides land up treating the non-haves if you will about the same. The number of people in the country that are living in poverty does not really move much one way or the other regardless of who is running our government. As a foreigner,  you just can't fathom the absolute incompetency both of our parties really have and the lip service they serve to their bases.   Both sides are not in it for their constituents, but for the lobbyists. We truly have the best government money can buy - and that statement covers both parties.

 

It wasn't always this way. The democratic party was a pretty horrible party at times historically. The republicans (of old) were the champions of abolishing slavery and were the first states to support the woman's right to vote. The democrats of old were staunchly against those.  They had their good years but it was the Roosevelt administration after the depression with his 'New Deal' that we see the birth of the modern democratic beliefs with the followup of Lyndon Johnson's 'Great Society' in the mid sixties.  

 

A good example of our reality over here was the previous administrations health care bill. We desperately need to fix our health care process in this country but we just do not have the government to do it. The ACA bill certainly wasn't it. In the end, one of the key things that bill did was a big business republicans dream, force people to BUY insurance, filling the bank accounts of the insurance companies.  Problem was when the 'forced' membership didn't pan out the way the big insured were promised. People were happy with paying the paltry 'fine' and not getting insurance until they actually needed it. So the insurers started jacking up the rates and many eventually bailed from the program. Sure, many individuals and families initially got coverage they may not have otherwise had, but much of it was at the expense of a high deductible plans. Paying a subsidized $40/month premium doesn't help when you when you have a $12,000 deductible. Their great solution to fool the public was to subsidize a lousy, ultimately expensive product. 

 

Some then would say we need a single payer solution. Works in other counties so it should work here.   If you want to see what that would look like here, look at the version of it we DO have. Take your pick, Medcare or the VA hospitals. Both are horribly managed, can't care for the members and are rampant with fraud.

 

I guess in the end, I'd suggest the OP reword his question to be, "Why would anyone vote for Republican or a Democrat." because in this country, the difference isn't always that different for the lower class.   

 

  

I think we could really do in the UK and US with something like whats happening in France, a new party takes over and tries to push through some drastic reforms even thought in the long run, the public will hate the goverment for it because most of the time the public doesn't like change even if it's good for them, in any case, it's clear for all to see that real change is needed and all over the west across the EU and US because people are not happy with how things are, either goverments listen to that or the public are going to get more crazy and vote for the likes of Trump, Brexit and even worse then them in the longer run.

22 hours ago, trag3dy said:

It's funny because the majority of the big media companies in the US lean far more to the left than they do to the right. So basically the opposite of what you're saying.

It's the ones that shout the loudest and most effective that counts and the right wing media have been better at that but that could be changing now thanks to Trump and Brexit, it's really doing harm to the right wing movment now.

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Melfster
21 minutes ago, trag3dy said:

Obama is responsible for inflating the deficit that he inherited from Bush, did you really expect it to be undone in 2 years?

Obama did that to save the economy republicans cut taxes  but the deficit climbing at such an alarming rate that its not sustainable. That is why along with numerous other factors US is in big trouble.

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trag3dy
33 minutes ago, Melfster said:

Obama did that to save the economy republicans cut taxes  but the deficit climbing at such an alarming rate that its not sustainable. That is why along with numerous other factors US is in big trouble.

So is it Trump not doing his job correctly or Obama? Because this goes against your original statement.

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wakjak
1 hour ago, trag3dy said:

Obama is responsible for inflating the deficit

And Trump is on track for inflating it another 10+Billion.

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Dysphoria
38 minutes ago, Melfster said:

Obama did that to save the economy republicans cut taxes  but the deficit climbing at such an alarming rate that its not sustainable. That is why along with numerous other factors US is in big trouble.

Ok, so Obama saved the economy by doubling the deficit and creating fake governmental jobs?

He didnt do anything to address the issues and challenges businesses are facing, instead he created several other governmental departments to offer services overseeing newly created regulations... in one way he invested in bureaucracy, which is why everyone in DC likes him.

EU liked him because of his apology tour and promise to stay away from their business and they to stay away from his as long as US is paying the bills for NATO, UN and other globalist initiatives.

In other words he did nothing to improve the middle class and everything to create more governmental dependents.

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Dysphoria
55 minutes ago, Paul1979UK said:

I think the real problem is the tax system, I've noticed that inequality is less in countries that have higher taxes then the ones that have lower taxes and it does make some sense, higher taxes allows goverments to redistrubut more wealth among the people whereas lower taxes ends up meaning wealth ends up in fewer hands, it's likely what explains the diffrences from the EU and US on that one, in any case, there is more to it then just that, what is clear is that people are not happy across all the west with how things are going and things really need to change, sadly, the changese we are seeing are the wrong kind of changese and are likely to make things worse not better.

The reason I will never live in Europe... you truly believe that EU governments are redistributing the wealth to other people?

In reality you are paying much higher taxes to get "free" services such as healthcare, education, etc... now I highlighted here "free" as it is not really free, it all comes away from your paycheck and the government decides how it gets spent.

The problem with governmental managed and funded systems is that they are poorly managed... It's a bottomless pit in which money are being thrown and no one is being incentivized to optimize efficiency and provide better service... at the end you end up paying more and more in taxes... while the government officials get richer and richer

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wakjak
11 minutes ago, Euphoria said:

Obama saved the economy

Compared to when he took office. You're god damn right he did.

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Dysphoria
1 hour ago, Paul1979UK said:

I think the real problem is the tax system, I've noticed that inequality is less in countries that have higher taxes then the ones that have lower taxes and it does make some sense, higher taxes allows goverments to redistrubut more wealth among the people whereas lower taxes ends up meaning wealth ends up in fewer hands, it's likely what explains the diffrences from the EU and US on that one, in any case, there is more to it then just that, what is clear is that people are not happy across all the west with how things are going and things really need to change, sadly, the changese we are seeing are the wrong kind of changese and are likely to make things worse not better.

BTW, this just popped up on twitter. Finally giving options to patients in the US to use other options to get better. Democrats would have never done this, as they want to regulate, restrict and make money out of it.

 

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Dysphoria
6 minutes ago, wakjak said:

Compared to when he took office. You're god damn right he did.

Go back to your cave...

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Paul1979UK
On 5/30/2018 at 6:53 PM, Euphoria said:

The reason I will never live in Europe... you truly believe that EU governments are redistributing the wealth to other people?

In reality you are paying much higher taxes to get "free" services such as healthcare, education, etc... now I highlighted here "free" as it is not really free, it all comes away from your paycheck and the government decides how it gets spent.

The problem with governmental managed and funded systems is that they are poorly managed... It's a bottomless pit in which money are being thrown and no one is being incentivized to optimize efficiency and provide better service... at the end you end up paying more and more in taxes... while the government officials get richer and richer

But in the end it benefits all and the ones that need it the most from the poor to the average whereas higher taxes seem to benefit the rich more then anyone, but I do agree that goverments need to optomize effiieiency a lot more but given the choice from that and busisness led healthcare, I would pick Europes system anyday over what the US have at the moment.

 

In any case, I think much of Europe and America could learn a few things from the likes of Norways, Sweden and Finland that seem to be doing so many things better then the rest and have some of the highest standards of living in the world whiles also having some of the highest taxes and lowest inequality, clearly they are doing something right that we can learn from.

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DPyro
On 5/30/2018 at 1:53 PM, Euphoria said:

The reason I will never live in Europe... you truly believe that EU governments are redistributing the wealth to other people?

In reality you are paying much higher taxes to get "free" services such as healthcare, education, etc... now I highlighted here "free" as it is not really free, it all comes away from your paycheck and the government decides how it gets spent.

The problem with governmental managed and funded systems is that they are poorly managed... It's a bottomless pit in which money are being thrown and no one is being incentivized to optimize efficiency and provide better service... at the end you end up paying more and more in taxes... while the government officials get richer and richer

People in countries with higher taxes have a higher chance per-capita of becoming millionaires. Less poverty and higher education gives you a greater chance of becoming successful. Who knew?

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Dysphoria
5 hours ago, DPyro said:

People in countries with higher taxes have a higher chance per-capita of becoming millionaires. Less poverty and higher education gives you a greater chance of becoming successful. Who knew?

Hahahaaaa. :) I am going to quote this joke 

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34 minutes ago, Euphoria said:

Hahahaaaa. :) I am going to quote this joke 

When you can't construct a well-reasoned response make a snarky one instead.  Now that's the real joke and a pathetic one to boot.

 

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Dysphoria
11 minutes ago, Raze said:

When you can't construct a well-reasoned response make a snarky one instead.  Now that's the real joke and a pathetic one to boot.

 

It is not my fault you can’t read my previous 10 posts, but thanks for trolling me through threads. I can see someone has been rubbing off of you ???

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Just now, Euphoria said:

It is not my fault you can’t read my previous 10 posts, but thanks for trolling me through threads. I can see someone has been rubbing off of you ???

No trolling here.  As usual the same expected type of response, so predictable.   <insert your favorite emoji here>

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DPyro
1 hour ago, Euphoria said:

Hahahaaaa. :) I am going to quote this joke 

The only joke here is your president.

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Without being up Democrats

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Jazmac
On 5/29/2018 at 1:01 AM, ThaCrip said:

I tend to sum up conservatives and liberals more from a general morality standpoint in which those who can't even get the abortion issue right (i.e. that abortion is immoral as it goes against God) it's not surprising they(liberals) will be backwards in many other areas to. basically when it comes to abortion, liberals put a persons 'choice' higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around.

 

Conservative values just work better long term simply because they are more inline with God (i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)), with abortion being one of the major issues as it's a basic life issue which the liberals sugar-coat as a 'choice' so they don't look bad. but when you cut through the BS, the truth of the matter is that their 'choice' is choosing whether a child lives or dies. I don't want someone making important decisions who can't even get that one correct as once that line is crossed human life becomes of less value to those who don't see a problem with abortion and then they support other immoral things like euthanasia/gay agenda etc etc. where does it end?

 

Trump 2020.

When was the last time you attended church?

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On 5/29/2018 at 11:06 AM, VultureTX said:

 

Well congrats we all know you are a socialist just by making that statement.  Capitalism says a business succeeds by making a profit, the employees work there because it benefits them in some way.   You obviously think there is one employer (aka socialist govt) and don't get competition is motivation.

 

/this whole thread is based on a bunch of misleading statements with assumptions that ignore historical facts.

I have to wonder - how many socialists have seen the 1950s-era cartoons explaining  exactly how capitalism works? (Not kidding - they were produced by Warner Brothers and were based on the Brothers Grimm fairytale of the shoemaker and the elves - with Elmer Fudd as the King of the Elves, and Sylvester as the shoemaker's pet cat. Except for certain humorous elements, the entire outline presented by Fudd to the shoemaker could have come from  Business 101 = and yes; the shoemaker was, in fact, weaned off the elves and modernized his business.  (According to you, that should have been impossible - remember, he was not paying the elves.)  Is it on YouTube?

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