Why vote Republican if your not in the 1% or have a big business? (Without being up Democrats)


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Mockingbird
On 5/30/2018 at 1:28 AM, trag3dy said:

It's not surprising that you would be the first one to bring up racism.

 

On 5/30/2018 at 5:39 AM, Euphoria said:

Although I can see that you are obsessed with "racial" topics, race has nothing to do with voting Republican... You have racists in both sides Democrat and Republican, but just because CNN sells Trump as racist doesnt mean that he is and that all Republican are racist.

I hate when people take race as an excuse for things not going their own way.... BTW, Obama's mother was white.... if he did his job right I wouldnt have cared if he is a descendant of an Amazonian tribe

I hate to tell you, but Trump is racist.

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trag3dy
11 minutes ago, Mockingbird said:

 

I hate to tell you, but Trump is racist.

You're right. I'm convinced by the extremely robust and flawless logic you've presented in your argument.

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+Raze
12 minutes ago, trag3dy said:

You're right. I'm convinced by the extremely robust and flawless logic you've presented in your argument.

I'm not saying Trump is a racist, but instead of responding with sarcasm, tell us why he isn't.  Present a flawless, logical argument.     ?

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trag3dy
7 minutes ago, Raze said:

I'm not saying Trump is a racist, but instead of responding with sarcasm, tell us why he isn't.  Present a flawless, logical argument.     ?

Usually it falls on the person making a claim to back it up. Usually.

 

Also, I like sarcasm.

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2 minutes ago, trag3dy said:

Usually it falls on the person making a claim to back it up. Usually.

 

Also, I like sarcasm.

True.

 

You're good at it too.     ?

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wakjak

I'll give a couple of easy examples. 

 

Wouldn't rent to POC. 

 

Central park 5. 

 

Birther. 

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PGHammer
On 7/27/2018 at 1:03 PM, Paul1979UK said:

The real problem is labour cost and that is something both the EU and US can't really compete with cheap labour markets like China and as China is going high tech with cheap labour, it's more of an advantage to them over us.

 

At the end of the day, consumers are key and as long as they can get goods cheaper of the same quality from the likes of China, consumers will continue to do so, if the likes of the US goverment forces companies to move back to the US then all that will do is make thoes products more expensive to US consumers and if this was done on mass, it would lower the standard of living for Americans.

 

The truth is, westerners are addicted to cheap goods and good luck any US or EU goverment taking that away from them without a major backlash because we all know that companies wont take the hit and will just pass on the cost to consumers, thats the reality of the world we are in.

 

In any case, it might not matter much over the next few decades because robotics and A.I. is likely going to take over most of the labour and that will make it hard for humans at any labour cost to compete with, still that does't help the job market.

Paul1979UK - have you not heard me refer to the "drive for cheap", and especially in terms of electronics in general (and in terms of Huawei and ZTE in particular before both companies got slapped over their respective sanctions-related stupidities).  How loud was the outcry over Toshiba getting a similar slapping by the US over their sale of six-axis milling machines to the Soviet Union that got them the same treatment that ZTE got? (Note that Toshiba didn't complain - they simply took their "medicine" without a quibble.)  Listen to the complaints over Iran getting slapped by the UN over their own shens (again, MORE of the "drive for cheap") The "drive for cheap" - (and catering to it) is exactly why trade fairness is necessary (and it's not either new OR news - didn't I point to Doha and Bill Clinton?) and the continued squabbling over Boeing, even  AFTER the WTO ruled on the subject (Airbus lost).

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PGHammer
On 7/27/2018 at 3:21 PM, VultureTX said:

Ever wonder why the left are pessimists?  Why they have no knowledge of history (historical trends to be precise)

And they repeat the claim that the US is going to get us all killed or enslaved or burnt up.   And these present levels of hysteria,  the Japanese see it as "8th grader syndrome" in Adults like they are emotionally stunted.

I sometimes want a 1930's Depression Era Democrat to give them a dose of reality.   But they don't want that since FDR actually did internment camps, DEM Speaker of the House (Cactus Jack) was an absolute racist, and socialists used to lie in newpaper editorials about soviet union by urging americans to stay out of European Affairs and Wars while the Jews were being scapegoated.

 

 

/Bizarre

VultureTX - I was the Neowinian that pointed out the interment camps under FDR (I was still a Democrat at the time), and the miniseries covering them (based in part of the testimony of the now-late Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI) aired on NBC while I was a teenager.  Another part of the antiwar hysteria DID infect the Democrats (via the New German Bund) which even caused issues for no less than the American Conservative Union of the period - and specifically Patrick J. Buchanan (Buchanan at the time could be considered an FDR Republican).

While there wasn't as much in the way of public fears in German circles about the US sticking their oar in - that was certainly not the case in Japan!  We (as in the United States) had ALREADY stuck our oar in once (the Nanking Incident) and Japan got a big fat slapdown from the League of Nations because of it (which the United States - which was NOT a League Member! enforced); what hurt worse was a warning from their own navy about taking on the United States - the "sleeping giant speech".  They KNEW that Yamamoto was far from stupid; in fact, despite that speech, they promoted him anyway. (I called Yamamoto the "Robert E. Lee of Japan" - I would rather that the American action had captured Yamamoto than killed him).  Antiwar movements are not based on either common sense OR logic - and those of World War II - or since - prove the point.

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PGHammer
On 7/27/2018 at 12:36 PM, Melfster said:

I now vote all Democrat because I don't like where the Republican party is going I think the US really going down.   Republican party is focused on short term more so then democratic party but it is hurting medium term and long term opportunities.

Melfster - it sounds like you are voting all-Democratic due to social issues - look at the policies the Democratic party espouses and see if implementing them actually does what you want them to. (Claimed impact vs. actual impact.)

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VultureTX
4 hours ago, PGHammer said:

VultureTX - I was the Neowinian that pointed out the interment camps under FDR (I was still a Democrat at the time), and the miniseries covering them (based in part of the testimony of the now-late Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI) aired on NBC while I was a teenager.  Another part of the antiwar hysteria DID infect the Democrats (via the New German Bund) which even caused issues for no less than the American Conservative Union of the period - and specifically Patrick J. Buchanan (Buchanan at the time could be considered an FDR Republican).

While there wasn't as much in the way of public fears in German circles about the US sticking their oar in - that was certainly not the case in Japan!  We (as in the United States) had ALREADY stuck our oar in once (the Nanking Incident) and Japan got a big fat slapdown from the League of Nations because of it (which the United States - which was NOT a League Member! enforced); what hurt worse was a warning from their own navy about taking on the United States - the "sleeping giant speech".  They KNEW that Yamamoto was far from stupid; in fact, despite that speech, they promoted him anyway. (I called Yamamoto the "Robert E. Lee of Japan" - I would rather that the American action had captured Yamamoto than killed him).  Antiwar movements are not based on either common sense OR logic - and those of World War II - or since - prove the point.

Are you a typical Leftist? ( I don't know the players except for the pro-2nd amendment crew)

I am talking in general about the left, as in their ignorance of history and their blank spot when it comes to the Soviet Union. 

American Socialists (you could group them as CPUSA supporters) wrote opinion pieces in the the late 30- early 40's  in an organized effort to keep the US out of conflict in Europe.

 

But this is not just Anti-War it's anti-West, since the Left claims all conflicts post WWII  are the USA's fault.  They even go so far as to include the total body counts of ALL sides of a conflicts as being caused by the USA then turn around show other countries as only military casualties caused by their soldiers.  'cause you know Stalin only killed 600,000 people, the rest was done by others is the communist story.

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Melfster
7 hours ago, PGHammer said:

Melfster - it sounds like you are voting all-Democratic due to social issues - look at the policies the Democratic party espouses and see if implementing them actually does what you want them to. (Claimed impact vs. actual impact.)

No I used vote Republican at least 50% of the time but now I don't.   If look over time you can see Republican party further and further to right.   The crazy right has overpowered the more reasonable republican party.   

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ACTIONpack
On 7/28/2018 at 10:00 AM, VultureTX said:

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Yeah Dollars spent is noise, GDP % shows it differently.  Still not a complete economic answer but shows that NYT article was pure bias.

Just showing the numbers does not show the full picture. You got to look at the changes what would laws, acts and polices. Just because one president is out of office does not means the polices expires with it.  

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Mockingbird
On 7/28/2018 at 2:52 PM, wakjak said:

I'll give a couple of easy examples. 

 

Wouldn't rent to POC. 

 

Central park 5. 

 

Birther. 

Don't forget:

 

calling Mexican, rapists

 

said that a judge can't be impartial because he's Mexican

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kcbworth
On 7/29/2018 at 4:03 PM, Melfster said:

the more reasonable republican party.   

The names usually given to these people by the cultists are:

  • Liberals
  • Democrats
  • The Left
  • Left wingnuts
  • The Enemy
  • Enemies of the people
  • Crazy
  • etc

The prominence of extremism (bizarrely in an era of prosperity, peace, and global efficiency) is totally unexplainable.

 

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Paul1979UK
On 7/28/2018 at 9:50 PM, VultureTX said:

since when ? 20th century onward says otherwise WWI Haiti, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Libya, Syria are DEM

sure Grenada ,Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq are GOP off the top of my head, but cost wise it's a DEM problem.

I was talking more recent times like with the Iraqi war and now with Trump, over the last 30 years, it always felt more civil when the Democrats are in power.

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Paul1979UK
On 7/28/2018 at 11:00 PM, PGHammer said:

Paul1979UK - have you not heard me refer to the "drive for cheap", and especially in terms of electronics in general (and in terms of Huawei and ZTE in particular before both companies got slapped over their respective sanctions-related stupidities).  How loud was the outcry over Toshiba getting a similar slapping by the US over their sale of six-axis milling machines to the Soviet Union that got them the same treatment that ZTE got? (Note that Toshiba didn't complain - they simply took their "medicine" without a quibble.)  Listen to the complaints over Iran getting slapped by the UN over their own shens (again, MORE of the "drive for cheap") The "drive for cheap" - (and catering to it) is exactly why trade fairness is necessary (and it's not either new OR news - didn't I point to Doha and Bill Clinton?) and the continued squabbling over Boeing, even  AFTER the WTO ruled on the subject (Airbus lost).

It was a diffrent time and we wasn't living in a internet age where we see almost everything that happens like we do now so it's was much harder to kick up a fuss back then.

 

In any case, it doesn't matter much, countries do have to becareful with doing these things because if they do it too much, it ends up making thoes countries more risky to invest in.

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Astra.Xtreme
On 7/28/2018 at 1:29 PM, Paul1979UK said:

I don't know, but every time the Democrats are in power, things seem more peaceful but when the Republicans get into power, all hell brakes loose lol.

Not sure what you mean by "peaceful", but if you mean all the whining in the media, then you should understand that the major majority of the media is extremely biased left.  All they do is bitch and complain about the presidency they lost.  They'll spend every last second trying to dig up dirt on Trump and hope all their negativity is going to magically gain them supporters.  Get your popcorn ready for the next presidential election.

 

In reality..... the country is booming and doing better than it has in a longgg time.  What should people value?  Economic expansion and the improving state of the population, or butt-hurt media reporters that complain for the sake of complaining?  Sadly the latter gets more exposure than they deserve.

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Jason S.
On 7/28/2018 at 4:24 PM, adrynalyne said:

What have you noticed that has improved because of Trump?

my paycheck went up

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wakjak
1 hour ago, Astra.Xtreme said:

In reality..... the country is booming and doing better than it has in a longgg time.

Thanks Obama!

 

1 hour ago, Astra.Xtreme said:

All they do is bitch and complain about the presidency they lost.

Mmmm nope. That's fake news.

 

1 hour ago, Astra.Xtreme said:

hey'll spend every last second trying to dig up dirt on Trump and hope all their negativity is going to magically gain them supporters

Wrong again. Not hard to dig up dirt when the dirt is on the surface.

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adrynalyne
18 minutes ago, Jason S. said:

my paycheck went up

Now explain how that is because of Trump?

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Jason S.
11 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

Now explain how that is because of Trump?

The trump tax plan that took affect in January 2018 which temporarily lowered the income tax brackets for 5 years. Lower tax brackets mean higher paychecks.

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adrynalyne
14 minutes ago, Jason S. said:

The trump tax plan that took affect in January 2018 which temporarily lowered the income tax brackets for 5 years. Lower tax brackets mean higher paychecks.

How much did it raise your paycheck?

Ive not seen diddly squat in tax changes. 

 

Saw my 401k nosedive with his tarrif crap though. Yay Trump?

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PGHammer
On 7/28/2018 at 11:38 PM, VultureTX said:

Are you a typical Leftist? ( I don't know the players except for the pro-2nd amendment crew)

I am talking in general about the left, as in their ignorance of history and their blank spot when it comes to the Soviet Union. 

American Socialists (you could group them as CPUSA supporters) wrote opinion pieces in the the late 30- early 40's  in an organized effort to keep the US out of conflict in Europe.

 

But this is not just Anti-War it's anti-West, since the Left claims all conflicts post WWII  are the USA's fault.  They even go so far as to include the total body counts of ALL sides of a conflicts as being caused by the USA then turn around show other countries as only military casualties caused by their soldiers.  'cause you know Stalin only killed 600,000 people, the rest was done by others is the communist story.

No - I'm not a typical leftist - which has, in fact, gotten me no end of grief.  What is amusing is that I was raised AS a typical American Democrat (which I pointed out); my *crime* was that I didn't stay there.  Why I didn't stay there has to do with what you just pointed to - the failure of the liberal position to pass the logic test.  If a position is not logical, in what universe am I bound to stick to it?  If anything, I am an anti-liberal - not necessarily pro-Trump; I am lumped in WITH the Trump supporters largely BECAUSE I am anti-liberal.  If the liberal position had a logical basis, maybe I wouldn't be beating up so hard on it (which I have been doing since Bill Clinton was President)?

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VultureTX
20 hours ago, ACTIONpack said:

Just showing the numbers does not show the full picture. You got to look at the changes what would laws, acts and polices. Just because one president is out of office does not means the polices expires with it.  

you left out my disclaimer

"Yeah Dollars spent is noise, GDP % shows it differently.  Still not a complete economic answer but shows that NYT article was pure bias."

 

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VultureTX
37 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

How much did it raise your paycheck?

Ive not seen diddly squat in tax changes. 

 

Saw my 401k nosedive with his tarrif crap though. Yay Trump?

so you only compare your 401Ks to last month?  Did you bother to compare to when Trump took office or maybe you invested in Chinese growth funds?

 

The market is right back to where it was June15th, which is still net net gains.

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