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5K Monitors. Anyone have one?

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DevTech    1,517

While doing some research into 4K monitors for a recent thread here, I came across 5K monitors which are a widened version of a 4K.

 

I did not think the concept worked out very well back when the 1920 x 1080 monitor was spread out, but with 5K there is so much pixel real estate that they seem like a good idea this time around.

 

The devil is always in the details, so I'm curious to know if anyone has tried one out.

 

Here is an LG example:

 

https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-34WK95U-W-ultrawide-monitor?returnFlag=Y

 

34wk95u-w.thumb.jpg.75234861a8af8134a43787eabdf5f4ac.jpg

 

 

 

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Mindovermaster    1,872
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Few of us has $1,500. That's like asking if any of us has a Ferrari...

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DevTech    1,517
50 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

Few of us has $1,500. That's like asking if any of us has a Ferrari...

Seriously? Have you been hanging out at the same forums?

 

Go back over the last year and look at the rigs some people have built - crazy top end stuff...

 

I don't hold it against them. Maybe some of them own sports cars, but I suspect most people save up money over time to support a hobby they really like and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

Personally, one of my ASUS ProArt monitors just died TODAY and so I need to come up with a plan for something and then save the bucks to make it happen just like everyone else.

 

Meanwhile that used Dell UltraSharp I bought for $25 that I mentioned in some other thread, will fill the gap for a while and it is a glorious IPS Panel that beats out any eyestrain headache inducing TN panel... Will some used equipment I found in a store die in a few months? Maybe...

 

So, the time clock is ticking and I need to research some options!

 

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Mindovermaster    1,872
3 minutes ago, DevTech said:

Seriously? Have you been hanging out at the same forums?

 

Go back over the last year and look at the rigs some people have built - crazy top end stuff...

IIRC, most of them were budget builds. Yes, we did have a few big ones, BUT that does not say for 90% of the low-bowlers.

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DevTech    1,517
2 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

IIRC, most of them were budget builds. Yes, we did have a few big ones, BUT that does not say for 90% of the low-bowlers.

Of course there is a range of new builds and upgrades to builds and so on...

 

Many countries in the world have difficult sources of supply and nasty currency exchanges so there are lots of opportunities to challenge our creativity  and come up with innovative ideas.

 

Focusing on low end stuff is of course very helpful to many people which is why I started the thread about finding a formula for a $300 Gaming PC:

 

 

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Jason S.    1,495

it's worth noting that DevTech was just pointing out an example. Not all 5k monitors will be at the same price point.

 

before talking monitors, though, we'd have to talk cables and GPUs. do you have the horsepower to run it? does your OS properly support it? do you have the proper HDMI/DP revision that supports it? i'm sure 5k is old news at this point, but you should check all the boxes first.

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Daniel F.    571

LTT 5K monitor review

 

heres a vid if it helps?

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Yeah the cost of the monitor is besides the point... Be 50$ or 50K$ this forum has people from all levels of income..

 

The higher the cost of the item, the less % of the user base that will have budgeted for such expensive item..

 

It think 1500 is a bit much for a monitor... But as pointed out, you need the other hardware required to even use it... So its even more that... What GPU supports that res, and what do they cost...

 

But cost is always relative... To some $1500 is like your 15$ or 150$  Would you spend $150 on shiny new 5k monitor to play with for your hobby... I would ;)

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DevTech    1,517
6 hours ago, Jason S. said:

i'm sure 5k is old news at this point

I would have thought that since I just came across what I thought was a random example while trying to see what was "New" in 4K monitor specs.

 

I just searched Newegg.com and the ONLY available 5K monitor there is the "example" I came across:

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAD6H8AA2932

 

It is $100 less than the retail price which is not the most encouraging thing.

 

I will check Amazon and other sites to see if we can expand the list of available 5K monitors.

 

4K at 60 hz and 10 bit color is currently at the limit of cable and interface chip bandwidth and any attempts at 4K gaming over 60 hz plays dirty tricks with color rendition so I would guess that the Thunderbolt 3 interface on the LG 5K is essentially a necessity.

 

I will also try to figure out the least expensive video card to drive 5K monitors for non-gaming scenarios, since it looks like a hugely productive work surface for Dev and Gfx professionals... For gaming, the first thought that comes to mind is running it at 1/2 resolution. 

 

 

My Attempt to Explain Why This Might Be Revolutionary For PC Gaming

(As briefly as possible)

 

What is really tempting for me from a gaming perspective is the "Wideness" combined with state of the art Color and Resolution. Since the 1990's there has always been this anticipation of the glorious impact of photorealism in gaming and we are finally seeing the dawn of that age with 4K/5K HDR and Game Engines that support a HDR + PBR render path. The current fetish for GSYNC and it's enormous bandwidth issues is perhaps distracting from the fact that maybe, just maybe photorealism has arrived. But of course, there is the Uncanny Valley issue...

 

Reference:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_based_rendering

https://www.allegorithmic.com/games (Adobe Substance used to generate PBR assets for games has some example AAA titles)

https://blogs.unity3d.com/2018/03/16/the-high-definition-render-pipeline-focused-on-visual-quality/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photogrammetry

https://blogs.unity3d.com/2018/03/12/photogrammetry-in-unity-making-real-world-objects-into-digital-assets/

https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/FontainebleauDemo/releases/download/v0.0.0/Fontainebleau_Win.7z (Short demo using Unity PBR)

https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/FontainebleauDemo/releases/download/v0.0.0/Fontainebleau_MAC.7z

https://google.github.io/filament/Filament.md.html (Google released this "Native PBR" Game Engine to OSS for Desktop and Mobile)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley (when things get too real with human characters, they get unreal)

 

 

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Mindovermaster    1,872

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Matthew S.    931

>.> My iMac 27" has a 5k panel in it, tis a beauty.

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DevTech    1,517
1 hour ago, Matthew S. said:

>.> My iMac 27" has a 5k panel in it, tis a beauty.

https://www.apple.com/mac/compare/results/?product1=imac-retina-27&product2=imac-pro

 

It seems like Gaming would be impossible with the iMac 5K? But maybe the iMac Pro would work?

 

 

iMac 27-inch with Retina 5K display

 

3.0GHz, 3.1GHz, or 3.7GHz 6-core Intel Core i5 or 3.6GHz 8-core Intel Core i9 processor
Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz

 

8GB, 16GB, 32GB, or 64GB memory

 

1TB, 2TB, or 3TB Fusion Drive; or up to 2TB SSD2

 

Radeon Pro 570X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory, Radeon Pro 575X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory, Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory, or Radeon Pro Vega 48 with 8GB of HBM2 memory

 

 

 

iMac Pro with Retina 5K display

 

3.2GHz 8-core, 3.0GHz 10-core, 2.5GHz 14-core, or 2.3GHz 18-core Intel Xeon W processor
Turbo Boost up to 4.5GHz

 

32GB, 64GB, 128GB, or 256GB memory

 

Up to 4TB SSD2

 

Radeon Pro Vega 56 with 8GB of HBM2 memory, Radeon Pro Vega 64 with 16GB of HBM2 memory, or Radeon Pro Vega 64X with 16GB of HBM2 memory

 

 

 

 

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DevTech    1,517
2 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-49WL95C-W-ultrawide-monitor

 

That is an older unit that has a 1440 vertical resolution. LG names it as a 5K monitor but...

 

For whatever reason, that is normally being classified in most places as NOT a 5K monitor, for which 2160 and up is the cutoff point for 5K

 

I would have to see the two side by side to understand this distinction which is probably an offshoot of the clearly defined vertical resolution for 4K monitors... i.e. To get the 5K designation, it should be a clear enhancement over 4K and not some in-between hybrid - to be clear, that is just my attempt to interpret the marketing material I am seeing...

 

 

 

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Matthew S.    931
28 minutes ago, DevTech said:

https://www.apple.com/mac/compare/results/?product1=imac-retina-27&product2=imac-pro

 

It seems like Gaming would be impossible with the iMac 5K? But maybe the iMac Pro would work?

 

 

iMac 27-inch with Retina 5K display

 

3.0GHz, 3.1GHz, or 3.7GHz 6-core Intel Core i5 or 3.6GHz 8-core Intel Core i9 processor
Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz

 

8GB, 16GB, 32GB, or 64GB memory

 

1TB, 2TB, or 3TB Fusion Drive; or up to 2TB SSD2

 

Radeon Pro 570X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory, Radeon Pro 575X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory, Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory, or Radeon Pro Vega 48 with 8GB of HBM2 memory

 

 

 

iMac Pro with Retina 5K display

 

3.2GHz 8-core, 3.0GHz 10-core, 2.5GHz 14-core, or 2.3GHz 18-core Intel Xeon W processor
Turbo Boost up to 4.5GHz

 

32GB, 64GB, 128GB, or 256GB memory

 

Up to 4TB SSD2

 

Radeon Pro Vega 56 with 8GB of HBM2 memory, Radeon Pro Vega 64 with 16GB of HBM2 memory, or Radeon Pro Vega 64X with 16GB of HBM2 memory

 

 

 

 

Mines the late 2015 model, and yes I've actually gamed on it, on macOS at that... 

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DevTech    1,517
26 minutes ago, Matthew S. said:

Mines the late 2015 model, and yes I've actually gamed on it, on macOS at that... 

That earlier model uses NVIDIA instead of AMD I think

 

Do you run the game at a lower resolution?

 

Is it 2D or 3D?

 

Those iMacs are "true" 5K at 5120 by 2880 pixels...

 

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+warwagon    12,949
11 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

Few of us has $1,500. That's like asking if any of us has a Ferrari...

The Dell 30 inch monitor (Dell UltraSharp U3011) I got in 2012 was $1,165.99. I'm typing on it as we speak.

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Matthew S.    931
18 minutes ago, DevTech said:

That earlier model uses NVIDIA instead of AMD I think

 

Do you run the game at a lower resolution?

 

Is it 2D or 3D?

 

Those iMacs are "true" 5K at 5120 by 2880 pixels...

 

It's an AMD card, 3d, at native res.  not 100% sure on settings but I'm pretty sure I got a decent 60fps at medium.

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DevTech    1,517
25 minutes ago, Matthew S. said:

It's an AMD card, 3d, at native res.  not 100% sure on settings but I'm pretty sure I got a decent 60fps at medium.

This is potentially great news for Gamers. Just the sort of hands-on experience I was hoping to hear about in this thread!

 

Would it be possible to know what specific games you tested in this config?

 

Come to think about it, the design of an iMac could be viewed like a PS4 or Xbox where the graphics render path can be custom designed by Apple to get more efficiency out of the hardware chips they are using since it is their hardware and their O/S just like a console! Be interesting to know if they did anything like that.

 

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DevTech    1,517
50 minutes ago, warwagon said:

The Dell 30 inch monitor (Dell UltraSharp U3011) I got in 2012 was $1,165.99. I'm typing on it as we speak.

Yeah, quality monitors keep on ticking which yields great value.

 

You didn't pay a penny more than the people who buy a junk $300 monitor every 2 years!

 

I always wanted one of those 30" Dells but the timing never worked out for me... Actually, I had some thoughts of what it would be like to have a dual monitor setup with those babies...

 

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14 minutes ago, DevTech said:

Yeah, quality monitors keep on ticking which yields great value.

 

You didn't pay a penny more than the people who buy a junk $300 monitor every 2 years!

 

I always wanted one of those 30" Dells but the timing never worked out for me... Actually, I had some thoughts of what it would be like to have a dual monitor setup with those babies...

 

In July 2005 I also bought a Dell Ultrasharp 24 inch monitor for $899.25 which i'm still using today on my 3 monitor workstation. I did have to crack it open last year and replace some caps, but it's still working!

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DevTech    1,517
11 minutes ago, warwagon said:

In July 2005 I also bought a Dell Ultrasharp 24 inch monitor for $899.25 which i'm still using today on my 3 monitor workstation. I did have to crack it open last year and replace some caps, but it's still working!

Right now, I'm looking at that Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP I bought for $25 which I just fired up as a temporary replacement for my dead ASUS ProArt.

 

I'm pretty sure it is whispering to me to go back to a 3 monitor setup!

 

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adrynalyne    11,660
14 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

Few of us has $1,500. That's like asking if any of us has a Ferrari...

Speak for...yourself?

 

That said, I’m not in the market because I’m content with my current one:

https://www.dell.com/hr/business/p/dell-u3818dw-monitor/pd

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DevTech    1,517
28 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

Speak for...yourself?

 

That said, I’m not in the market because I’m content with my current one:

https://www.dell.com/hr/business/p/dell-u3818dw-monitor/pd

Nice Monitor

 

Diagonal Viewing Size: 95.3 cm (37.5 inches)

Aspect Ratio: 21:9

Panel Type, Surface: In-Plane switching Technology (IPS)

Resolution: 3840 x 1600 at 60Hz

Curve radius (if applicable): 2300R

Viewing Angle: 178° vertical / 178° horizontal

Pixel Pitch: 0.229 mm x 0.229 mm

Pixel Per Inch (PPI): 111Color Support:


Color Gamut (typical): 99% sRGB, 99% Rec 709, 78.1% DCI-P3


Color Depth: 1.07 Billion colors

 

 

Dell also made a 5K monitor which appears to be discontinued:

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/dell-27-ultrasharp-ultra-hd-5k-monitor-up2715k/spd/dell-up2715k-monitor

 

 

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DevTech    1,517

So, Dell does NOT sell a 5K monitor currently.

 

Instead, they have jumped to 8K and I callenge anyone to look at that price and not feel the muscles of their face twist into some sort of facial expression, perhaps a wince, a groan, a chuckle, a smirk, a frown, raised eyebrows, complete surprise or exultation of the Joy of 8K

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-monitor-up3218k/apd/210-alez/monitors-monitor-accessories

 

32 inches, 7680 x 4320

 

So, 4 TITAN RTX in SLI??

 

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