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SSD upgrade question for Acer F5 573G

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medhunter    33

Can This laptop  get NVME M.2 SSD? I am upgrading from intel old 2.5 inch SSD to M.2

Specifically, option 1 360 SAR with warranty or option 2  280 SAR without warranty or option 3 375 with warranty ?

Which would you prefer?

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Mindovermaster    2,141
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Uh, where in there does it say M.2? Or NVME for that matter?

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medhunter    33

I am not sure I follow.But I have 2.5 inch SATA SSD, I want to buy M.2 drive.

I am not even sure I can get benefit of the NVME .That is why I am double checking with you

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Mindovermaster    2,141
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SSD:

 

ssd370-sata-ssd.jpg&f=1

 

M.2:

 

009451_m.2_ssd.jpg&f=1

 

Has an entirely different header. I did not see M.2 in your description page. Why I asked.

 

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Daniel F.    585

m.2 is just the the interface type, there is no difference in speed in m.2 sata or over the regular SATA interface. 

 

NVME is the PCI Express connection and is much faster than SATA

 

So

-M.2 SATA is just SATA using a m.2 slot 

-m.2 NVME is using pci express 

 

The interface is keyed in such a way that M.2 SATA will work in both types of slot (along as the BIOS supports it)  but a NVME drive will not work in a M.2 SATA slot.

 

The change over of 2.5" sata to m.2 sata is just to save space and shrink laptop sizes 

 

You would only notice any difference if you use a NVME drive and big file transfers

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+BudMan    3,536

In the specs of your laptop, it doesn't mention being able to do a m.2 connection..

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Daniel F.    585
2 minutes ago, BudMan said:

In the specs of your laptop, it doesn't mention being able to do a m.2 connection..

 

If you really must get a m.2 drive then you can use an adapter

 

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-2-5in-Adapter-Converter-SAT32M225/dp/B00ITJ7U20

 

But it will still only do SATA speed as it connects through the SATA interface 

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Mindovermaster    2,141
56 minutes ago, Daniel F. said:

 

If you really must get a m.2 drive then you can use an adapter

 

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-2-5in-Adapter-Converter-SAT32M225/dp/B00ITJ7U20

 

But it will still only do SATA speed as it connects through the SATA interface 

Yeah, but I doubt OP wants an adaptor... He is misjudged.

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Jim K    13,445

ugh, Acer and their lack of information and bazillion model numbers.  Aside from the datasheet in the OP I could barely find information regarding the F5-573G-70EB.  I mean, that datasheet could just be a current configuration as shipped.  I'm not sure if this notebook supports a nvme SSD or not.  

 

Forgetting the 70EB part of the model number ...

 

If the bottom on your notebook looks like this ... I would open up service lid and take a peek inside.

 

IMG_20161229_180934.thumb.jpg.b2b4e81ababdcffde2d3134834bb6093.jpg

Source: https://laptopmedia.com/highlights/inside-acer-aspire-f-15-f5-573g-disassembly-internal-photos-and-upgrade-optionss/

 

Even then (according to the above) it is a "B & M or M key connector" ... which means it probably does support a PCIe SSD.  Browsing other forums also indicates a 573G supports PCIe SSDs, however, I'm very reluctant to to give a green light since I couldn't find a definitive answer through official Acer documentation or for the F5-573G-70EB

 

I'm not sure if there is a software method to check for support?

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medhunter    33

I can conclude that M.2 does have no or very little advantage over 2.5" SSD with NVME out of the equations.

Then I should need to upgrade to 512 or 1TB 2.5" SSD

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Mindovermaster    2,141
21 minutes ago, medhunter said:

I can conclude that M.2 does have no or very little advantage over 2.5" SSD with NVME out of the equations.

Then I should need to upgrade to 512 or 1TB 2.5" SSD 

Umm, actually, it does.... @DevTech...

 

You can not run M.2, or NVME, for that matter, in your system. It is a whole new architecture that you do not have.

 

There such a reason you need a new SSD?

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adrynalyne    12,122
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4 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

Umm, actually, it does.... @DevTech...

 

You can not run M.2, or NVME, for that matter, in your system. It is a whole new architecture that you do not have.

 

There such a reason you need a new SSD?

Um actually it does not. The OP is correct. Performance wise, there is very little advantage difference between a 2.5 SSD and an m.2 if there is no nvme or pcie interface. They are both mSATA and you have to deal with the limitations of the interface. 

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Mindovermaster    2,141
1 hour ago, adrynalyne said:

Um actually it does not. The OP is correct. Performance wise, there is very little advantage difference between a 2.5 SSD and an m.2 if there is no nvme or pcie interface. They are both mSATA and you have to deal with the limitations of the interface. 

Sorta what I meant... But, whatever. My flu isn't helping me here...

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DevTech    1,517
1 hour ago, Mindovermaster said:

Umm, actually, it does.... @DevTech...

 

You can not run M.2, or NVME, for that matter, in your system. It is a whole new architecture that you do not have.

 

There such a reason you need a new SSD?

Yeah so here's the bedtime story while you nurse your Flu with some lemon and honey:

 

The Good

 

1. CPU can communicate to the outside world via one or more PCI Express (PCIe) serial data lanes. A specialized chip can take that as input and control 3 to 4 SATA channels, using yet another serial data protocol.

 

2. OR, you could feed one or more PCIe lanes direct to the hard drive, which is only worth the usage of precious PCIe lanes if it is very very fast.

 

 

The Bad

 

So that was interface speed. Then there is the confusing packaging:

 

1. Since the inside of a 2.5" SSD is mostly empty space, why not take the Flash RAM and put it on a tiny circuit board = M.2

 

2. That tiny M.2 board could have a SATA interface or it could have a PCIe interface.

 

 

And The Ugly

 

Then there is the trickier stuff:

 

1. PCIe based Flash RAM SSD including NVMe are getting so blindingly fast that there has arisen another big step of subjective performance improvement. A 3,000 MB/sec NVMe is a noticable improvement over a SSD, not just a benchmark improvement. So it's wallet hurtin' time....

 

2. And then the tricks that manufacturers play with Flash. Even with serial bandwidth improvement, it still takes time for a random access to a Flash cell, particularly a write access.

 

For example, for some workloads a SATA drive using 100% SLC cells could still seem a lot faster than a NVMe drive using the crappy new QLC cells...

 

Most NVMe drives are in fact using an unknown amount of SLC cells to form a cache in front of hopefully hi quality 3D NAND cells. These drives also have a RAM cache in front of the SLC! The size of these multitude of cache types is adjusted for "typical" workloads and much larger caches would probably be very useful for "enterprise" and "development" workloads...

 

In any case, if you write to a fast drive that is leaning a bit too hard on its SLC cache, the first part of the transfer will happen at blinding fast SLC Speed and then it will bog down. If a drive gets tested in a review and the tests stay within or close to the SLC cache, it it will look a lot better than it really is...

 

 

 

 

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medhunter    33
On 5/5/2019 at 5:06 AM, Mindovermaster said:

Sorta what I meant... But, whatever. My flu isn't helping me here...

I hope you are fine now.

This is the layout

i don't know whether this M.2 is PCIe or just msATA

ssd,RAm.jpg

On 5/4/2019 at 4:45 PM, Jim K said:

ugh, Acer and their lack of information and bazillion model numbers.  Aside from the datasheet in the OP I could barely find information regarding the F5-573G-70EB.  I mean, that datasheet could just be a current configuration as shipped.  I'm not sure if this notebook supports a nvme SSD or not.  

 

Forgetting the 70EB part of the model number ...

 

If the bottom on your notebook looks like this ... I would open up service lid and take a peek inside.

 

IMG_20161229_180934.thumb.jpg.b2b4e81ababdcffde2d3134834bb6093.jpg

Source: https://laptopmedia.com/highlights/inside-acer-aspire-f-15-f5-573g-disassembly-internal-photos-and-upgrade-optionss/

 

Even then (according to the above) it is a "B & M or M key connector" ... which means it probably does support a PCIe SSD.  Browsing other forums also indicates a 573G supports PCIe SSDs, however, I'm very reluctant to to give a green light since I couldn't find a definitive answer through official Acer documentation or for the F5-573G-70EB

 

I'm not sure if there is a software method to check for support?

which key is there in my picture just above? Can you tell for sure?

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medhunter    33

moreover, Can I install one 1 T.B drive in either 2.5inch or M.2?

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Mindovermaster    2,141
3 minutes ago, medhunter said:

I hope you are fine now.

This is the layout

i don't know whether this M.2 is PCIe or just msATA

ssd,RAm.jpg

I think that is a m.2 connection for wireless cards...

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medhunter    33
11 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

I think that is a m.2 connection for wireless cards...

I already have a wireless card ..atheros I think

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Mindovermaster    2,141
8 minutes ago, medhunter said:

I already have a wireless card ..atheros I think

Like I said, I'm not sure. Though, I think it does not support the full size (2880)

 

*rings bell*

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Daniel F.    585
56 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

I think that is a m.2 connection for wireless cards...

 it looks like an M.2 with an M key slot which accommodate 2242 ,2260 and 2280 sizes 

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Mindovermaster    2,141
2 hours ago, Daniel F. said:

 it looks like an M.2 with an M key slot which accommodate 2242 ,2260 and 2280 sizes 

Yeah, something like that... I never messed with the smaller sizes. I only ever used the full sized ones.

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medhunter    33

Is it obvious whether this is connected by mSATA or PCIe? it was manifactured Dec 2016

Can I use a one TB drive for it? whether 2.5 mSATA or M.2 drive?

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Mindovermaster    2,141
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8 minutes ago, medhunter said:

Is it obvious whether this is connected by mSATA or PCIe? it was manifactured Dec 2016

Can I use a one TB drive for it? whether 2.5 mSATA or M.2 drive?

About all you can do is try. Buy from a good online store that has 30-90 day refunds, and try it. If for some reason it doesn't work, return it. :)

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Jim K    13,445
1 hour ago, medhunter said:

Is it obvious whether this is connected by mSATA or PCIe? it was manifactured Dec 2016

Can I use a one TB drive for it? whether 2.5 mSATA or M.2 drive?

No, a mSATA will not go into that m.2 slot.  They are two different interfaces.

 

I'm fairly sure you can either use a m.2 SATA or a m.2 PCIe SSD.  A m.2 PCIe SSD will obviously give you faster performance.  

 

Regarding the three drives you listed in the OP ... they should all work.  However, the link to the second drive is broken though looking at the URL it appears you were trying to link to a Western Digital Green m.2 ... that is a SATA m.2 drive (whereas the other two are PCIe).  I can not really recommend a particular brand (though you can't go wrong with Samsung...haha).

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medhunter    33
4 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

About all you can do is try. Buy from a good online store that has 30-90 day refunds, and try it. If for some reason it doesn't work, return it. :)

Can this be achievable from saudi arabia.i am working there for the time being.

4 hours ago, Jim K said:

No, a mSATA will not go into that m.2 slot.  They are two different interfaces.

 

I'm fairly sure you can either use a m.2 SATA or a m.2 PCIe SSD.  A m.2 PCIe SSD will obviously give you faster performance.  

 

Regarding the three drives you listed in the OP ... they should all work.  However, the link to the second drive is broken though looking at the URL it appears you were trying to link to a Western Digital Green m.2 ... that is a SATA m.2 drive (whereas the other two are PCIe).  I can not really recommend a particular brand (though you can't go wrong with Samsung...haha).

so, physically PCIe M.2 drive is going to work but not at the maximum speed because it might be m.2 with mSATA connection,not PCIe. right?

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