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SSD upgrade question for Acer F5 573G

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goretsky    1,053

[NOTE:  This post may be wrong.  See here for updated commentary  AG]

 

Hello,

 

According to this review, the Acer Aspire F5-573G series supports one M.2 2280 SATA SSD.  NVMe SSDs are not supported, nor are older mSATA SSDs. 

 

This means you can have a maximum of two SATA SSDs in the computer.  One in the 2.5" form factor, and one in the M.2 2280 form factor.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

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Daniel F.    590
9 hours ago, medhunter said:

Is it obvious whether this is connected by mSATA or PCIe? it was manifactured Dec 2016

Can I use a one TB drive for it? whether 2.5 mSATA or M.2 drive?

 

msata (below) has a bigger KEY and 2 screw holes due to the much squarer profile 

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DevTech    1,517
On 5/4/2019 at 9:45 AM, Jim K said:

ugh, Acer and their lack of information and bazillion model numbers.  Aside from the datasheet in the OP I could barely find information regarding the F5-573G-70EB.  I mean, that datasheet could just be a current configuration as shipped.  I'm not sure if this notebook supports a nvme SSD or not.  

 

Forgetting the 70EB part of the model number ...

 

If the bottom on your notebook looks like this ... I would open up service lid and take a peek inside.

 

IMG_20161229_180934.thumb.jpg.b2b4e81ababdcffde2d3134834bb6093.jpg

Source: https://laptopmedia.com/highlights/inside-acer-aspire-f-15-f5-573g-disassembly-internal-photos-and-upgrade-optionss/

 

Even then (according to the above) it is a "B & M or M key connector" ... which means it probably does support a PCIe SSD.  Browsing other forums also indicates a 573G supports PCIe SSDs, however, I'm very reluctant to to give a green light since I couldn't find a definitive answer through official Acer documentation or for the F5-573G-70EB

 

I'm not sure if there is a software method to check for support?

 

2 hours ago, goretsky said:

Hello,

 

According to this review, the Acer Aspire F5-573G series supports one M.2 2280 SATA SSD.  NVMe SSDs are not supported, nor are older mSATA SSDs. 

 

This means you can have a maximum of two SATA SSDs in the computer.  One in the 2.5" form factor, and one in the M.2 2280 form factor.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

 

2 hours ago, PsYcHoKiLLa said:

A very quick Google search :

https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/534060/acer-f5-573g-59n8-m-2-ssd-support-pcie-or-sata-iii

 

"Hi,
Yes, you can install a PCIe/NVMe M.2 SSD."

Jim K has determined that the particular Acer model has a large number of variations

 

Goretsky has determind that one variation is M.2 SATA

 

Mr. Kill has determined that one variation is M.2 NVMe

 

So,

 

1. Use serial numbers and other identifiers to actually figure out which variation you have.

 

2. If you have the SATA version then get a Samsung 860 in some convenient size

 

3. If you have the NVMe version then get the Samsung 970 Pro or the Samsung 970 EVO PLUS or if those hurt the budget too much, the Adata XPG SX8200 Pro

 

4. You keep asking about a size limit - For either 2.5" SATA OR M.2 SATA OR M.2 NVMe you can select a 4 TB model or even BOTH a 4 TB in the 2.5" area and also a 4 TB in the M.2 slot for a total of 8 TB of SSD storage.

 

5. Please remember to thank everyone for the research done on your behalf which is very inspiring!

 

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Daniel F.    590

Yeh we already established its the NVMe version from the picture 

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DevTech    1,517
11 minutes ago, Daniel F. said:

Yeh we already established its the NVMe version from the picture 

Well, human error is always a chance and I give a LOT of weight to Goretsky posts, so either way the options are covered.

 

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Mindovermaster    2,365
8 hours ago, medhunter said:

Can this be achievable from saudi arabia.i am working there for the time being.

I have no idea. You have to look around. ;)

 

8 hours ago, medhunter said:

so, physically PCIe M.2 drive is going to work but not at the maximum speed because it might be m.2 with mSATA connection,not PCIe. right?

M.2 and mSATA are 2 different architectures. Here:

 

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adrynalyne    12,304
5 hours ago, Mindovermaster said:

I have no idea. You have to look around. ;)

 

M.2 and mSATA are 2 different architectures. Here:

 

main-qimg-56e53e5334c5b37faa43bc81915d07

Architecture is not the word you are looking for. 

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Mindovermaster    2,365
1 hour ago, adrynalyne said:

Architecture is not the word you are looking for. 

Only word I could think of at the time. Care to provide the correct word, or are you going to say I'm wrong until the end of eternity?

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adrynalyne    12,304
Posted (edited)
36 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

Only word I could think of at the time. Care to provide the correct word, or are you going to say I'm wrong until the end of eternity?

I was going to until they last part of your comment. No, you can continue to be wrong for eternity. Some people can learn from their mistakes, some don’t know how to recognize them and take offense to being corrected. Everyone makes mistakes; it’s how we learn from the experience that makes us better at what we do. 

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Mindovermaster    2,365
2 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

I was going to until they last part of your comment. No, you can continue to be wrong for eternity. Some people can learn from their mistakes, some don’t know how to recognize them and take offense to being corrected. Everyone makes mistakes; it’s how we learn from the experience that makes us better at what we do. 

Well, if they aren't tought the correct way, how can they learn?

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adrynalyne    12,304
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10 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

Well, if they aren't tought the correct way, how can they learn?

By opening their minds and closing their mouths.

 

or are you going to say I'm wrong until the end of eternity

 

Which isn’t what you do. You just get offended instead of learning. I’ve no desire to help you learn anything if you plan on getting offended whenever you are countered. 

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DevTech    1,517
1 hour ago, Mindovermaster said:

Well, if they aren't tought the correct way, how can they learn?

 

56 minutes ago, adrynalyne said:

By opening their minds and closing their mouths.

 

or are you going to say I'm wrong until the end of eternity

 

Which isn’t what you do. You just get offended instead of learning. I’ve no desire to help you learn anything if you plan on getting offended whenever you are countered. 

This is an opportunity for two wonderful members of Neowin to up their game to a new higher minded level perhaps.

 

If you skim the posts in the 2 pages of this thread, the amount of semi-random noise generated to explain a very simple matrix of physical form factor and data signal topology is something everyone should feel a bit sheepish about. Maybe we can do something about that?

 

The OP is in Saudi Arabia and instead of getting a useful Amazon link (or equivalent) that solves this issue, the thread is bogged down on the basics.

 

Perhaps that means there is a mental block in the population at large that needs a cute info-graphic or something. Drilling down into how we could be helpful is always a good thing and the community at large is of course more important than a single thread...

 

Adrynalyne is a real Expert here at Neowin, a fact that sometimes gets occluded by various "debates" and I'm also convinced that Mindovermaster really wants to learn stuff and I can see that he has learned a lot of stuff so add a bit of patience and respect and I think we can all benefit.

 

That's my non-tech thought of the day, well besides Green Eggs and Fish!

 

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medhunter    33
19 hours ago, goretsky said:

Hello,

 

According to this review, the Acer Aspire F5-573G series supports one M.2 2280 SATA SSD.  NVMe SSDs are not supported, nor are older mSATA SSDs. 

 

This means you can have a maximum of two SATA SSDs in the computer.  One in the 2.5" form factor, and one in the M.2 2280 form factor.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

Here is the evidence I suppose this image

 

 

@ all the wonderful guys here at Neowin, I appreciate your effort with such a newbie like me. Thank you so much.

 

I 'd go for PCIe M.2 drive because I can remount the 2TB mechanical drive in 2.5inch slot again and get it out of the current USB 3.0 enclosure.

 

I may use the M.2 drive for dual boot Linux and win10 (for games). Or use the M.2 for win10 and the 120 for linux!!!

 

 

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Mindovermaster    2,365
12 minutes ago, medhunter said:

Here is the evidence I suppose this image

 

 

@ all the wonderful guys here at Neowin, I appreciate your effort with such a newbie like me. Thank you so much.

 

I 'd go for PCIe M.2 drive because I can remount the 2TB mechanical drive in 2.5inch slot again and get it out of the current USB 3.0 enclosure.

 

I may use the M.2 drive for dual boot Linux and win10 (for games). Or use the M.2 for win10 and the 120 for linux!!!

 

 

Not really a picture, called a video. 😛

 

But, good luck on getting that working. Let us know :D

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medhunter    33
13 minutes ago, Mindovermaster said:

Not really a picture, called a video. 😛

 

But, good luck on getting that working. Let us know :D

🤣

I will surely tell you what is to happen. I have a greatly different prices (+50-70% here), so I may go for this intel.

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DevTech    1,517
3 hours ago, medhunter said:

🤣

I will surely tell you what is to happen. I have a greatly different prices (+50-70% here), so I may go for this intel.

see if you can find this one at a good price:

 

https://www.amazon.com/XPG-SX8200-Gen3x4-3000MB-ASX8200PNP-1TT-C/dp/B07K1J3C23/ref=sr_1_1?fst=as%3Aoff&qid=1557556792&refinements=p_89%3AADATA|XPG&rnid=2528832011&s=pc&sr=1-1

 

Almost as fast as the Samsung with a price closer to the Intel model.

 

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DevTech    1,517

Also I have started some reference info in this thread on NVMe that might be useful:

 

 

 

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Daniel F.    590
5 hours ago, medhunter said:

Here is the evidence I suppose this image

 

 

@ all the wonderful guys here at Neowin, I appreciate your effort with such a newbie like me. Thank you so much.

 

I 'd go for PCIe M.2 drive because I can remount the 2TB mechanical drive in 2.5inch slot again and get it out of the current USB 3.0 enclosure.

 

I may use the M.2 drive for dual boot Linux and win10 (for games). Or use the M.2 for win10 and the 120 for linux!!!

 

 

Value

256gb - 37.00

512GB - 64.99

1tb - 129.99

2tb NVMe - 237.00

 

Performance

256gb - 71.99

500gb - 105.96

1tb - 200.43

2tb NVMe 425.80

 

 

There is a big difference in price for not a huge difference in performance

 

both are much faster than a SATA SSD. Unless you do huge file transfers and need the bigger cache and faster transfer speed (4gb vs 3gb) you may not notice the difference 

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goretsky    1,053

Hello,

 

Well, it definitely looks like that M.2 connector is keyed for NVMe and SATA, so I could have provided incorrect information in my earlier post.

 

I would strongly suggest posting a message in Acer's support forum to see if you can get a definitive answer.  If you do get one, please let us know--I'm genuinely curious about this.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

 

11 hours ago, medhunter said:

Here is the evidence I suppose this image

 

 

@ all the wonderful guys here at Neowin, I appreciate your effort with such a newbie like me. Thank you so much.

 

I 'd go for PCIe M.2 drive because I can remount the 2TB mechanical drive in 2.5inch slot again and get it out of the current USB 3.0 enclosure.

 

I may use the M.2 drive for dual boot Linux and win10 (for games). Or use the M.2 for win10 and the 120 for linux!!!

 

 

 

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DevTech    1,517
2 hours ago, karimtabo said:

I can conclude that M.2 does have no or very little advantage over 2.5" SSD with NVME out of the equations.

Then I should need to upgrade to 512 or 1TB 2.5" SSD

So this post seems to have come out of nowhere.

 

If you are asking the question that a computer that has a M.2 socket that is SATA-only will be limited to SATA transfer speeds, then that is correct.

 

A lot of other factors would then determine the best approach.

 

It is also important to remember that NVMe ONLY refers to the TRANSFER speed improvement over SATA and says NOTHING about the underlying technology implementation concerning NAND flash type, IOPS, Queue Depth, Random Access, RAM Cache implementation and SLC Cache implementation, any of which have the potential to be more important than NVMe vs SATA depending on the planned usage scenario.

 

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medhunter    33

Update:

I got the intel 660P NVME 512 GB. I know it is a bit old, but I don't have a fast PCIe interface for a full fledged NVME disk and it is a bit cheaper about : 50USD, and way cheaper from my local market(I hope I won't need warranty involvementon this one)

 

I am getting read write from the same disk onto itself about 360-380 MB/S, this is pretty fast for me as a first NVME I purchase.Yet I know there are better drives

 

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medhunter    33
On 5/11/2019 at 5:16 PM, goretsky said:

Hello,

 

Well, it definitely looks like that M.2 connector is keyed for NVMe and SATA, so I could have provided incorrect information in my earlier post.

 

I would strongly suggest posting a message in Acer's support forum to see if you can get a definitive answer.  If you do get one, please let us know--I'm genuinely curious about this.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

 

 

 

A more dedicated answer for you primarily is to come , but choose a benchmarking software.Hint, I am running Manjaro linux .

 

Thank you guys so much for your kind care🎂🍝. I learn a lot from you and I plan to keep learning more

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Mindovermaster    2,365
7 hours ago, medhunter said:

Thank you guys so much for your kind care🎂🍝. I learn a lot from you and I plan to keep learning more

No problem, bro :)

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