Star Trek: Picard (CBS All Access)

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Just now, Matthew S. said:

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You did, Starfleet has been compromised by the Romulans.

 

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No, I got that part, just wondering how, which we're probably going to find out later.  But most of all where's Section 31 who should be all over this type of stuff?    

 

I actually think the compromise is limited and not wide spread so that should explain it to a degree.

 

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Just now, George P said:

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No, I got that part, just wondering how, which we're probably going to find out later.  But most of all where's Section 31 who should be all over this type of stuff?    

 

I actually think the compromise is limited and not wide spread so that should explain it to a degree.

 

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Don't forget the way these ops are being run appear to be S31 ops...

 

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Don't forget the way these ops are being run appear to be S31 ops...

 

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True, wonder if they're working together for a shared goal.  S31 to get rid of most of the Romulans and these dudes to take out any advanced federation synthetic tech.  Guess we'll see how deep it all goes.

 

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Did anyone notice the disease Picard has been diagnosed with is eerily similar to the one Prof. X had in Logan?

 

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On 1/30/2020 at 8:16 AM, Matthew S. said:

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Did anyone notice the disease Picard has been diagnosed with is eerily similar to the one Prof. X had in Logan?

 

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This goes back to the episode, "All Good Things" where Picard is experiencing the future and he's living on the family vineyard and is suffering

from a neurological disorder called "Irumodic Syndrom".

 

Also, wonder why Crusher isn't his personal doctor.

 

Overall, another good episode and great to here some cursing in Star Trek

 

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I loved the sign in the Borg cube (around 25:36), "This Facility Has Gone 5843 Days Without An Assimilation"

 

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3 hours ago, primortal said:

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This goes back to the episode, "All Good Things" where Picard is experiencing the future and he's living on the family vineyard and is suffering

from a neurological disorder called "Irumodic Syndrom".

 

Also, wonder why Crusher isn't his personal doctor.

 

Overall, another good episode and great to here some cursing in Star Trek

 

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I loved the sign in the Borg cube (around 25:36), "This Facility Has Gone 5843 Days Without An Assimilation"

 

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I believe she's just too busy and still in active duty, not retired etc.  And the show just doesn't want to make this TNG again, so they're going to find ways to make room for the new cast instead of relying on the old guard.

 

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Starfleet looks like utter garbage right now. I’ve never really liked them, but wow, the degradation they have suffered (regardless of current conspiracy) really paints them as bad guys in this series. Thinking they have the power to end a species and justify it? No wonder Picard left. Definitely some major prime directive violations happening.

 

We had warning signs of this in TNG when Picard could of used Hugh to end the Borg, and he got called out by starfleet in a later episode for not doing it.

Not to mention s31 trying to wipe out the Founders, granted a war was occurring.

 

This degradation has been happening for far longer than only after Nemesis. 

 

Loving this series so far. Episode 2 ended so abruptly, really wish episode 3 was available lol. 
 

I do wish we could see some fresh starfleet starship designs. We saw some weird ones orbiting Mars this episode, but those looked more like construction vessels. 
 

I also hope they fill in more of what happened to the Enterprise E, as well as new vessel we saw him command in the comics.

 

I am interested to see if this conspiracy results in the pulling out of member species in the federation, as been alluded to in Discovery/31st century. 

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16 minutes ago, George P said:

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I believe she's just too busy and still in active duty, not retired etc.  And the show just doesn't want to make this TNG again, so they're going to find ways to make room for the new cast instead of relying on the old guard.

 

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I do get that, but sort of throws their history away IMHO.  I'm not looking for a full fledge reunion, but a few minutes of air time wouldn't kill and they easy could have sent Crusher on away mission (command of a medical ship or something) to "writer her out" off the series.

 

2 minutes ago, shockz said:

Episode 2 ended so abruptly

Yeah, the episode did end a little weirdly.

[Louisifer]

He's probably fully aware that shes off on her own missions on the USS Pasteur and didn't even think to pester his ex wife for a fitness report. It's probably against protocol to have your ex wife to perform the exams in an official manner as well.

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4 minutes ago, Louisifer said:

He's probably fully aware that shes off on her own missions on the USS Pasteur and didn't even think to pester his ex wife for a fitness report. It's probably against protocol to have your ex wife to perform the exams in an official manner as well.

That's if it's still true.  Being Picard changed the future in All Good Things, they might not have ever married or she's not even on the Pasteur.  Hopefully we'll get a answer this season being they didn't comment on that she's not in this season like they said for Worf and Geordi.

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Just putting this out there, purely as my own opinion... Those synths didn't rebel... they were hacked.

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28 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Just putting this out there, purely as my own opinion... Those synths didn't rebel... they were hacked.

I hope they weren't hacked by the secret section of the Tal Shiar (I'm not even going to attempt to spell it without looking at the closed caption), who apparently has hated synths and that hate being a bedrock of their org. It'd be predictable if they were ultimately the one behind the Mars attack in an attempt to end sentient synth development. The most obvious answer to me is Maddox flipped a switch on them. 

 

I have a feeling data's daughters didn't just happen upon Daystrom and a Borg Cube by chance, Maddox sent them there for tech recon and gathering I feel.

 

Granted the synths on mars were treated like slaves/badly. I also remember the VOY episode that revolved around the photons be free concept, and how it spread to the other EMHs that were reprogrammed to be salves in dilithium mines, wonder if Zimmerman or the Doc had something to do with it, although that'd be a shocking twist. Doc has gone rogue before with the Hirogen holograms.

 

Robert Picardo is rumored to be in S2 though.

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7 minutes ago, shockz said:

I hope they weren't hacked by the secret section of the Tal Shiar (I'm not even going to attempt to spell it without looking at the closed caption), who apparently has hated synths and that hate being a bedrock of their org. It'd be predictable if they were ultimately the one behind the Mars attack. 

 

I fully expect this to turn out to be the answer.  CBS's writers just ain't subtle...

7 minutes ago, shockz said:

The most obvious answer to me is Maddox flipped a switch on them. 

If it was Maddox, then he's truly lost his mind to have killed so many just because his synths ended up as slaves, as predicted by Picard.

 

7 minutes ago, shockz said:

I have a feeling data's daughters didn't just happen upon Daystrom and a Borg Cube by chance, Maddox sent them there for tech recon and gathering I feel.

This much is obvious.

 

 

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Granted the synths on mars were treated like slaves/badly. I also remember the VOY episode that revolved around the photons be free concept, and how it spread to the other EMHs that were reprogrammed to mine dilithium, wonder if Zimmerman or the Doc had something to do with it, although that'd be a shocking twist.

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Robert Picardo is rumored to be in S2 though.

 

The Doctor can do no harm, it's in his core programming.

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10 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

 

I fully expect this to turn out to be the answer.  CBS's writers just ain't subtle...

If it was Maddox, then he's truly lost his mind to have killed so many just because his synths ended up as slaves, as predicted by Picard.

 

This much is obvious.

 

 

The Doctor can do no harm, it's in his core programming.

I'd have to agree, however we've had those ethical subroutines deleted before, the doctor also has grown as an individual and also has the ability to modify his subroutines. He's also aligned himself with enemies before, assisted in abduction of Torres, while severely damaging Voyager, intentionally sickened someone when he was kidnapped, etc... I'm just saying it wouldn't be impossible, albeit highly unlikely.

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16 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

 

If it was Maddox, then he's truly lost his mind to have killed so many just because his synths ended up as slaves, as predicted by

Look at Zimmerman though, back with the EMH2, 3, 4, etc... he was furious that they ended up as slaves. Embarrassed even. He'd rather of died of a sickness than being treated by a disgraced program he created, Granted it's one thing to be upset that your creations ended up as slaves vs actually blowing up an entire planet in retribution. 

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23 minutes ago, shockz said:

I hope they weren't hacked by the secret section of the Tal Shiar (I'm not even going to attempt to spell it without looking at the closed caption), who apparently has hated synths and that hate being a bedrock of their org.

It begs the question on why are they doing reclamation on a Borg cube?  Granted they are selling the technology which could possibility lead to a new generation of synths/AI.

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16 minutes ago, primortal said:

It begs the question on why are they doing reclamation on a Borg cube?  Granted they are selling the technology which could possibility lead to a new generation of synths/AI.

There is also the Discovery factor with Control. This type of AI almost ended existence as they knew it. While it was classified at the highest level, it's also hard to keep things like under wraps for almost 150-200 years, and perhaps it will be brought up again with covert ops running around on Earth ending things all AI.

 

Side note: There was an interview I read once about Enterprise Season 5, where the writers were going to revisit the events of the Enterprise episode, Regeneration, and Alice Kurge was to be called back to act as a Starfleet science officer continuing research of the sphere wreckage, who was ultimately assimilated by said wreckage and became the queen we see prior, and the tech created would of been similar to that of the control AI, when attempts to return the 24th century went wrong, She ended up back thousands of years in the past in the Delta quadrant and she begun their expansion with existing Borg who apparently were struggling and only assimilated a handful of systems.. the typical Star Trek paradox. Post Season 3 enterprise was amazing, and it sounded like Season 5 would of continued. Too bad.

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14 minutes ago, shockz said:

There is also the Discovery factor with Control. This type of AI almost ended existence as they knew it. While it was classified at the highest level, it's also hard to keep things like under wraps for almost 150-200 years, and perhaps it will be brought up again with covert ops running around on Earth ending things all AI.

 

Don't be too surprised if Control makes a return...

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On 1/23/2020 at 10:10 AM, George P said:

It could just be a different Q, or Q could just change his look.  I don't think anything in the canon says he/they can't.

Q is not human nor he is humanoid or mortal. He can take the look he wants.

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OK, here is the question: Picard keeps referencing that Data sacrificed himself. Did this happen in any of the movies, or is this something that they have added for shock value/story builder? I asked my brother-in-law whom is obsessed with anything Star Trek, and he could not recall it happening. 

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Just now, jnelsoninjax said:

OK, here is the question: Picard keeps referencing that Data sacrificed himself. Did this happen in any of the movies, or is this something that they have added for shock value/story builder? I asked my brother-in-law whom is obsessed with anything Star Trek, and he could not recall it happening. 

See Star Trek Nemesis.

13 minutes ago, LaP said:

Q is not human nor he is humanoid or mortal. He can take the look he wants.

Sure, but anyone else playing Q just ain't Q to the viewing public. We DEMAND DeLancie! Only he has the right level of snark necessary for the King of Chaos!

 

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6 minutes ago, jnelsoninjax said:

OK, here is the question: Picard keeps referencing that Data sacrificed himself. Did this happen in any of the movies, or is this something that they have added for shock value/story builder? I asked my brother-in-law whom is obsessed with anything Star Trek, and he could not recall it happening. 

 

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4 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

See Star Trek Nemesis.

Sure, but anyone else playing Q just ain't Q to the viewing public. We DEMAND DeLancie! Only he has the right level of snark necessary for the King of Chaos!

 

Thanks for the reference!

I also 100% agree with you, you can't replace DeLancie!

[FloatingFatMan]

1 minute ago, jnelsoninjax said:

Thanks for the reference!

I also 100% agree with you, you can't replace DeLancie!

TBH, I think (hope) that we WILL see Q, but not until Picard finally reaches his end and the Irumotic Syndrome takes him.  It truly would be fitting if Q took Picard away to the Continiuum or something like that.

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8 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

See Star Trek Nemesis.

Sure, but anyone else playing Q just ain't Q to the viewing public. We DEMAND DeLancie! Only he has the right level of snark necessary for the King of Chaos!

 

For sure but him appearing older would just make sense (contrary to data). The Q Continuum always wanted to make human comfortable while interacting with them (outside of Q craziness). They always appear in a form understandable by humans. So him appearing to people he already know as 30 years older because 30 years has passed (from a human perspective) just make sense from a lore perspective.