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Post your PC configs to exceed the new Mac Pro for less cost

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DevTech    1,517

Fun Contest? Post your PC configs to beat out the new Mac Pro Xeon 28 core

 

Grand prize Winner will receive possibly nothing or maybe we can see if Neowin has any swag lying around :)

 

There will be a few challenging items to configure in terms of PCIe lanes to the video card and support for Thunderbolt 3.

 

I suggest starting with a Dual CPU or Quad CPU mobo based on Socket 3647:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_3647

 

 

Apple Specs:

https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/

 

 

CPU

 

Configure from an 8‑core to 28‑core Intel Xeon W processor

 

8-Core

3.5GHz Intel Xeon W

8 cores, 16 threads

Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz

24.5MB cache

Supports 2666MHz memory

 

12-Core

3.3GHz Intel Xeon W

12 cores, 24 threads

Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz

31.25MB cache

Supports 2933MHz memory

 

16-Core

3.2GHz Intel Xeon W

16 cores, 32 threads

Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz

38MB cache

Supports 2933MHz memory

 

24-Core

2.7GHz Intel Xeon W

24 cores, 48 threads

Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz

57MB cache

Supports 2933MHz memory

 

28-Core

2.5GHz Intel Xeon W

28 cores, 56 threads

Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz

66.5MB cache

Supports 2933MHz memory

 

RAM

 

Configure up to 1.5TB of DDR4 ECC memory in 12 user-accessible DIMM slots

 

32GB - Four 8GB DIMMs

48GB - Six 8GB DIMMs

96GB - Six 16GB DIMMs

192GB - Six 32GB DIMMs

384GB - Six 64GB DIMMs

768GB - Six 128GB DIMMs or 12 64GB DIMMs

1.5TB - 12 128GB DIMMs - Requires 24-core or 28-core processor.

 

8-core processor operates memory at 2666MHz.

12-core to 28-core processors operate memory at 2933MHz.

 

GPU

 

Configure two MPX Modules with up to four GPUs

 

AMD Radeon Pro 580X

36 compute units, 2304 stream processors

8GB of GDDR5 memory

Up to 5.6 teraflops single precision

Two HDMI 2.0 ports on card

Four DisplayPort connections routed to system to support internal Thunderbolt 3 ports

Support for up to six 4K displays, two 5K displays, or two Pro Display XDRs

Half-height MPX Module fits in an MPX bay and enables PCIe slot 2 for additional expansion

 

AMD Radeon Pro Vega II

64 compute units, 4096 stream processors

32GB of HBM2 memory with 1TB/s memory bandwidth

Up to 14.1 teraflops single precision or 28.2 teraflops half precision

Infinity Fabric Link connection enables two Vega II GPUs to connect at up to 84GB/s

Four Thunderbolt 3 ports and one HDMI 2.0 port on card

Two DisplayPort connections routed to system to support internal Thunderbolt 3 ports

Support for up to six 4K displays, three 5K displays, or two Pro Display XDRs

Full-height MPX Module fills an MPX bay and uses extra power and PCIe bandwidth

 

AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo

Two Vega II GPUs, each with 64 compute units and 4096 stream processors

64GB of HBM2 memory (32GB per GPU), each with 1TB/s memory bandwidth

Up to 28.2 teraflops single precision or 56.4 teraflops half precision

Onboard Infinity Fabric Link connection connects the two Vega II GPUs at up to 84GB/s

Four Thunderbolt 3 ports and one HDMI 2.0 port on card

Four DisplayPort connections routed to system to support internal Thunderbolt 3 ports

Support for up to eight 4K displays, four 5K displays, or four Pro Display XDRs

Full-height MPX module fills an MPX bay and uses extra power and PCIe bandwidth

 

Power Supply


1.4 kilowatts - Maximum continuous power:

1280W at 108–125V or 220–240V

1180W at 100–107V

 

 

Input/Output

 

I/O card installed in the half-length x4 PCI Express slot with:

Two USB 3 ports

Support for USB-A (up to 5Gb/s)

 

Two Thunderbolt 3 ports

Support for Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s)

Support for USB-C (up to 10Gb/s)

Support for DisplayPort

 

Two 10Gb Ethernet ports:

Support for 10Gb Ethernet performance over copper cabling

Support for Nbase-T industry standard: 1Gb, 2.5Gb, 5Gb, and 10Gb Ethernet link speeds using RJ-45 connectors

 

 

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DevTech    1,517

The new video card design:

 

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goretsky    1,045

Hello,

Here's a system I built on Boxx for one of their APEXX D5 workstations that clocked in at $100,821:

 

Model Review

APEXX D5

Processor(s)

Dual Intel Xeon SP Gold 5215 2.5Ghz 13.75MB cache, 10.4 UPI (Ten-Core)

System Memory

1024GB DDR4-2933 MHz ECC REG (16 - 64GB DIMMS)

Optical Drive Bay

Blu-Ray RW Drive

Graphics and IO

Expansion Slot 01

Add in I/O

LSI MegaRAID 9361 SATA/SAS 6Gb/s 8 Port with Cache Vault

Expansion Slot 02

Graphics Full Length

NVIDIA Quadro GV100 32GB With NVLINK 2 - (Extended Lead Time)

Expansion Slot 03

Add in I/O

No Card Selected

Expansion Slot 04

Graphics Full Length

NVIDIA Quadro GV100 32GB With NVLINK 2 - (Extended Lead Time)

Expansion Slot 05

Graphics Full Length

NVIDIA Quadro GV100 32GB With NVLINK 2 - (Extended Lead Time)

Expansion Slot 06

Graphics Full Length

NVIDIA Quadro GV100 32GB With NVLINK 2 - (Extended Lead Time)

Expansion Slot 07

Graphics Full Length

NVIDIA Quadro GV100 32GB With NVLINK 2 - (Extended Lead Time)

Primary Storage

Hard Drive Bay 01

4.0TB SSD SATA 6Gb/s

Hard Drive Bay 02

4.0TB SSD SATA 6Gb/s

M.2 Storage Drive 01

2.0TB SSD M.2 PCIe Drive - Extended Lead Time

Secondary Storage

Hard Drive Bay 03

4.0TB SSD SATA 6Gb/s

Hard Drive Bay 04

4.0TB SSD SATA 6Gb/s

Hard Drive Bay 05

4.0TB SSD SATA 6Gb/s

Hard Drive Bay 06

4.0TB SSD SATA 6Gb/s

Hard Drive Bay 07

4.0TB SSD SATA 6Gb/s

Operating System

Microsoft Windows 10 Professional Workstation Edition 64-Bit (4 Core+)

Software Applications

Microsoft Office 2019 Home and Business Edition (No Media)

Input Devices

Keyboard

Das Keyboard 4 Professional Mechanical

Mouse

Logitech M100 Corded Mouse

3D Input Devices

3Dconnexion SpaceMouse Enterprise

Wacom Tablets

Wacom Intuos Pro - Large (US Only) - Extended Lead Time

Display Devices

Monitor One

34" Samsung CH890 Series WQHD Curved

Monitor Two

34" Samsung CH890 Series WQHD Curved

Monitor Three

34" Samsung CH890 Series WQHD Curved

Monitor Four

34" Samsung CH890 Series WQHD Curved

Rack Mount Options

None

Warranty

BOXX Premium Support 3 Year - US and Canada Only

System Technical Specifications

Dual Intel®  Xeon SP Processors Liquid Cooled
Intel® C621 Chipset
16 x DDR4-2933 ECC REG Six Channel

(1) VGA, IMPI port
(2) 10 Gigabit Ethernet
(4) USB 2.0 ports: (2) Front, (2) Rear  
(4) USB 3.0 ports: (2) Front, (2) Rear

(6) PCIe 3.0 x16
(1) PCIe 3.0 x8 (x4 Mode)

1500W Power Supply

6.825"w x 17.815"h x 24.65"d


This includes the monitors, though.

 

Here is a Lenovo ThinkStation P920 I configured for $59,328.98 (price includes a $420 Father's Day discount)

 

2 x Intel Xeon GOLD 6136 Processor (12 cores, 24.75MB Cache, 3.00GHz)
Windows 10 Pro for Workstations 64
Microsoft Office Professional 2019 and Adobe Acrobat Standard 2017

16 x 32GB DDR4 2666MHz ECC RDIMM

NVIDIA Quadro RTX 6000 24GB W/NVLINK

BCM 9460-16i ROC PCIe Adapter

Intel VROC Premium

Onboard M.2 SSD Raid Array RAID 1 (2 Drives Min)

- First Onboard M.2 Selection 2048GB Solid State Drive, M.2, PCIe, Opal, TLC

- Second Onboard M.2 Selection 2048GB Solid State Drive, M.2, PCIe, Opal, TLC

Onboard M.2 SSD Boot Drive Yes

Quad Add-in-card M.2 SSD Adapter Quad AIC M.2 SSD Adapter

Quad Add-in-card M.2 SSD Raid Array None

Quad Add-in-card M.2 SSD Selection 2048GB Solid State Drive, M.2, PCIe, Opal, TLC

Single Add-in-card M.2 SSD Selection 2048GB Solid State Drive, M.2, PCIe, Opal, TLC

8 x 2048GB Solid State Drive, 2.5", SATA3, Opal

DVD Burner/CD-RW Rambo Windows 10

Memory Card Reader Integrated 9 in 1 Multimedia Card Reader

First Flex Bay The 5.25” Flex module is required to view and select the Front I/O Panel 5.25" Flex Module

Second Flex Bay 5.25" Front HDD Enclosure

First Front Access HDD Selection 2048GB Solid State Drive, 2.5", SATA3, Opal

2x port Integrated Ethernet

USB 3.1 Type C Front Cable USB 3.1 Type C front cable

Serial Port Serial Port

Internal USB Internal USB 3.0 Port

Keyboard USB Traditional Keyboard Black English

Pointing Device USB Calliope Mouse Black

Power Supply Tower 92% Power 1400W

ThinkVision P27h-10 27 inch Wide QHD IPS Type-C Monitor

 

I would imagine one could configure similar workstations at HP and Dell.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

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DevTech    1,517
8 hours ago, Kelxin said:

I have edited the first post with the Apple specs

 

They ONLY have a single CPU socket, so using a DUAL or QUAD CPU mobo gives much more ceiling and permits more chances to find a sweet spot in the value curve.

 

All the mobos I've seen so far with QUAD sockets don't have the PCIe GPU sockets needed, designed for servers. But there are lots of DUAL CPU socket mobos designed for WORKSTATION configs.

 

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DevTech    1,517
8 hours ago, goretsky said:

Hello,

Here's a system I built on Boxx for one of their APEXX D5 workstations that clocked in at $100,821:

<SNIP>

Here is a Lenovo ThinkStation P920 I configured for $59,328.98 (price includes a $420 Father's Day discount)

<SNIP>

I would imagine one could configure similar workstations at HP and Dell.

 

Regards,

 

Aryeh Goretsky

 

The idea is to build a better config for a better price. Apple makes the hard to not be skeptical about statement that they are $2,000 less expensive than the same power Workstation PC.

 

Of course for some users it is good to know that a $100,000 config exists since it raises the CEILING imposed by the limited Apple expansion which is limited to a single CPU socket for example.

 

That being said, Apple mentioned price points of around $6,000 fo a minimum config which is strangely LOW END for that market with a Radeon 580 and an 8 core CPU which can be hammered by any off-the-shelf decent Gaming Computer!

 

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