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patseguin    1,281

I have a brand new Windows Server 2019 machine set up. I have some embroidery machine networking software that has to run on Windows 7 and it uses a USB dongle. I installed the hyper-v roll and made a machine and installed Windows 7 on it. I installed the dongle driver, but then it occurred to me isn't the physical machine going to want to recognize that dongle in addition to the virtual machine? The embroidery software people told me that hyper-v has issues with USB dongles, is that true? He recommends VMware but since I already have the hyper-v machine up and running, I'd like to use that if I can.

 

Additionally, an IT guy that did some work for me said "The Hyper-V role is not supported on domain controllers" which I find odd since it is an option right in the server manager.

 

Since I have a USB dongle, do I need to scrap hyper-v and use VMware?

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sc302    1,712

Simple answer yes.   It would be better to scrap that idea of trying to make that work.  

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+BudMan    3,425

Put esxi on ;)  Then run all the machines you need as VMs!!  Be it your DC or whatever.. The box you got powerful enough to run multiple machines that is for sure.

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patseguin    1,281
7 hours ago, sc302 said:

Simple answer yes.   It would be better to scrap that idea of trying to make that work.  

Scrap the whole idea of a virtual machine? I thought the whole point of a powerful server was to be able to run virtual machines. Are you saying scrap it because I have this hardware dongle? Does VMware handle USB dongles better than hyper-v?

 

I'm not exactly sure what esxi is...

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Clirion    148
1 hour ago, patseguin said:

Scrap the whole idea of a virtual machine? I thought the whole point of a powerful server was to be able to run virtual machines. Are you saying scrap it because I have this hardware dongle? Does VMware handle USB dongles better than hyper-v?

 

I'm not exactly sure what esxi is...

No need to scrap Virtual machines all together.  Use VMWware for the Virtualization.  You have been told that there is an issue with the software you want to run and Hyper-V.

 

Your IT Guy is correct.  What you would do is make your Domain Controller a Virtual Machine that runs in Hyper-V.  

ESXI is the free version of VMWare.  This can be loaded on your current hardware.

 

If you have a domain controller already setup, then you can convert that into a Virtual Machine, and run it on the ESXI box.

 

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+fusi0n    1,958

I am not wanting to go off-topic..  but I see something you should be aware of. If you are going to have a DC, ALSO have AzureAD. It's free and it will take care of that single point of failure. 

 

 

Back on topic

 

I would install esxi as others have suggested. You'll still need to redirect the USB dongle from host to guest. 

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patseguin    1,281
25 minutes ago, fusi0n said:

 

I would install esxi as others have suggested. You'll still need to redirect the USB dongle from host to guest. 

I'll be working on this tomorrow. How do I redirect the USB dongle?

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+BudMan    3,425
8 minutes ago, patseguin said:

I'll be working on this tomorrow. How do I redirect the USB dongle? 

How about you get esxi installed on your server first ;)  And then your DC up and running gas a VM..

 

Then just read the docs on how to assign a usb to a specific vm..

 

 

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sc302    1,712

This is not going to end well if he goes about this himself.  Installing vmware while simple isn’t exactly simple if he could not join the domain then add the dc role onto the server. 

 

This should have been planned out from the start. 

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+fusi0n    1,958

We can get a webex going? walk him through it @BudMancan do the diagram. 

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sc302    1,712

All the work he paid for will be undone. I am not ok with throwing money out. 

 

Besides, the drives may not be compatible.   This could be a very big mistake in the works. I had that issue about a year ago, bought a server with the intention of using vmware on it but had the data center license in it. Esx could not detect or format the drives due to the block size of the drives. 

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+fusi0n    1,958
2 minutes ago, sc302 said:

All the work he paid for will be undone. I am not ok with throwing money out. 

What work would be thrown out? Did I miss something

 

-this was in a non-condescending tone, I'm just curious 

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sc302    1,712
1 hour ago, fusi0n said:

What work would be thrown out? Did I miss something

 

-this was in a non-condescending tone, I'm just curious 

He paid to have a msp come out and setup the server properly. Wiping the server and installing vmware on it would undo that. 

 

Unless he images it and put the image back on as a vmware guest, not an easy task if adding a domain controller was difficult. No offense to anyone. 

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patseguin    1,281

Either you guys are not understanding me or vice versa. The server is configured and working as a DC. I am only installing a VM so I can have a windows 7 machine for my embroidery machine software. I am not sure why there is mention of undoing work or installing a DC in a VM. I've used vm's for years to try out Linux distros and such. I thought I could use the built in VM software, make a windows 7 machine, and install the software I need. I am only doing this because the embroidery machine software runs on Windows 7 and it won't install on Server 2019.

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sc302    1,712

Vmware is a hypervisor.  It gets installed as the main operating system.  As in you have to wipe the server replacing the windows install  to install vmware as the main os. I hope that makes it clearer for you. 

 

Once you have vmware on you can then load on a guest OS of windows server and make it a domain controller and another guest server os to handle the FileMaker Pro server and map the usb to that. 

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patseguin    1,281
Just now, sc302 said:

Vmware is a hypervisor.  It gets installed as the main operating system.  As in you have to wipe the server to install vmware. I hope that makes it clearer for you. 

Not really. I guess I can chalk it up to knowing nothing about servers. When I've used VMware in the past, it was an application that I installed. With that application, I could create virtual machines and install different os's. My plan was to install this app, create a windows 7 VM, and install the software I need. I guess it doesn't work that way on a server os. I'll just have to build a cheap windows 7 box.

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sc302    1,712

That was vmware workstation.  That is a defunct/discontinued product. 

 

Esx/esxi is a Linux/Unix based hypervisor os which needs to get directly installed on the hardware...this would replace the windows install. Esx/esxi is managed by a browser based GUI interface. I hope that makes it a bit clearer for you. 

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patseguin    1,281
5 minutes ago, sc302 said:

That was vmware workstation.  That is a defunct/discontinued product. 

 

Esx/esxi is a Linux/Unix based hypervisor os which needs to get directly installed on the hardware...this would replace the windows install. Esx/esxi is managed by a browser based GUI interface

Ok thanks for the info, and your patience. I just read up on it and now I get it.

 

https://www.networkworld.com/article/3243262/what-is-a-hypervisor.html

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Steven P.    12,968

Virtualbox lets you connect to things like a USB drive/other physical drives https://www.virtualbox.org/ I use it to install Insider builds.

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Mindovermaster    1,778
1 hour ago, Steven P. said:

Virtualbox lets you connect to things like a USB drive/other physical drives https://www.virtualbox.org/ I use it to install Insider builds.

I'm not 100% sure, but that might not be what he needs for his scenario. (Can be wrong)

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Circaflex    3,538
2 hours ago, Steven P. said:

Virtualbox lets you connect to things like a USB drive/other physical drives https://www.virtualbox.org/ I use it to install Insider builds.

I think this would be closer to what OP expected out of the defunt VMWare workstation product.

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sinetheo    580
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On 6/28/2019 at 10:45 AM, patseguin said:

I have a brand new Windows Server 2019 machine set up. I have some embroidery machine networking software that has to run on Windows 7 and it uses a USB dongle. I installed the hyper-v roll and made a machine and installed Windows 7 on it. I installed the dongle driver, but then it occurred to me isn't the physical machine going to want to recognize that dongle in addition to the virtual machine? The embroidery software people told me that hyper-v has issues with USB dongles, is that true? He recommends VMware but since I already have the hyper-v machine up and running, I'd like to use that if I can.

 

Additionally, an IT guy that did some work for me said "The Hyper-V role is not supported on domain controllers" which I find odd since it is an option right in the server manager.

 

Since I have a USB dongle, do I need to scrap hyper-v and use VMware?

Is this a home system? VMware esx is $6000?! Virtualbox is free if your software maker is too lazy to update their product. Also have you tried to run it in compability mode?

 

Also your IT guys is talking about production environment at work. Not your wife's sewing machine and his knowledge is outdated. As of 2012r2 you can run a domain controller off a VM. 2016 for sure!

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sc302    1,712
55 minutes ago, sinetheo said:

Is this a home system? VMware esx is $6000?! Virtualbox is free if your software maker is too lazy to update their product. Also have you tried to run it in compability mode?

 

Also your IT guys is talking about production environment at work. Not your wife's sewing machine and his knowledge is outdated. As of 2012r2 you can run a domain controller off a VM. 2016 for sure!

Esx is also free.  You have to pay for clustering/HA, snapshots, vmotion, and distributed switches (and some other features), otherwise to host guests, it is free. 

https://www.vmware.com/products/esxi-and-esx.html

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sinetheo    580
5 hours ago, sc302 said:

Esx is also free.  You have to pay for clustering/HA, snapshots, vmotion, and distributed switches (and some other features), otherwise to host guests, it is free. 

https://www.vmware.com/products/esxi-and-esx.html

Still is limited and difficult to setup for a non IT professional. It's meant for server admins and IT professionals for non business use which now deals with ethics if his wife owns a business

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Mindovermaster    1,778
5 hours ago, sinetheo said:

Still is limited and difficult to setup for a non IT professional. It's meant for server admins and IT professionals for non business use which now deals with ethics if his wife owns a business

ESXI is simple, as long as you get help. As Sc302, BudMan, etc. And other friends.

 

 

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